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3-Years Later: Lessons of Lehman’s Collapse Can Save the World

Today is the third anniversary of the collapse of Lehman Brothers. Here's a quick primer for those who just got here: in early 2008 Bear Stearns' fire sale scared Wall Street, in September 2008 Lehman's fall terrified the nation and catalyzed a run on bank stocks and a rout for the global financial system. It was in all the papers.

Unless you happened to work at Lehman at the moment it fell, and I know many who did, this isn't a day for somber reflection but rather a time to ask what, if anything, have we learned. To explore the issue Breakout welcomed Barry Ritholtz, editor of The Big Picture and author of "Bailout Nation."

As Ritholtz sees it, banks are ephemeral entities whose only real assets are reputation and employee talent. When confidence in a bank erodes, a collapse becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Rumors of illiquidity spread quickly and talent flees for greener pastures. Such a bank run first took down Bear Stearns yet Dick Fuld --the CEO who presided over the death of Lehman-- ignored what happened to his competitor. Instead Fuld fiercely defended the notion that Lehman was healthy, turned down and assorted offers from Warren Buffett and the South Koreans, among others. Fuld refused to be "low-balled" by would-be suitors right up until Lehman ceased to exist.

The lesson? "If Warren Buffett comes a knockin' and offers you $5 billion, you take it," says Ritholtz. The terms don't matter; banks should take the deal, whatever the terms. It would seem that Bank of America (BAC) learned a valuable lesson.

The other takeaways from 2008 and 2009 are less simple, but we do know regulation isn't the answer. Ritholtz says Dodd-Frank and other laws passed after 2008 did "absolutely nothing." Bank balance sheets are still "festooned with garbage" and none of the regulatory supervision in the world has made a bit of difference.

So Fuld and lawmakers screwed up in 2008. That's water under the bridge. The real point of my thought exercise with Ritholtz was delving into the current European banking woes, an ongoing train wreck often referred to as the "Lehman of the Euro zone."

Can Europe be saved? Ritholtz says yes and with only two rather large and unpleasant moves.

The EU's "Lehman Brothers is essentially Greece and Portugal," according to Ritholtz. The countries need to be taken out proactively before dying on their own accord and causing another panic. "Put Greece on an ice floe, set them out to die, and focus on substantive economies like Italy and to a lesser degree, Spain." It may be an unpalatable choice, especially for Greece, but a Greek sacrifice would undo a larger wrong which occurred at the very inception of the EU. Specifically, Ritholtz says Goldman Sachs (GS) helped Greece "lie their way into the EU" and now it's time for Greece to leave.

The EU needs to draw another lesson from Lehman and Dick Fuld's folly by begging, cajoling, and guilt-tripping Germany into backing a bailout of more substantive economies remaining after the Greek sacrifice. "The Germans are the Buffett of Europe. They're the ones writing the checks," Ritholtz says. It may be the last time the world can guilt trip the Germans into paying even more war repatriations from World Wars I and II. But the EU needs to play all the cards they have and do whatever needs to be done to appease the Germans.

So, Ritholtz's solutions to Europe are letting Greece go and allowing the Germans fleece the ECB in what amounts to a glorified endorsement deal. Got a better idea? Share them in the comment section below.

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  • MyTwoCents  •  New York, New York  •  3 months ago
    Greece didn't fulfill the obligations of the first bailout ( I believe they were supposed to eliminate 300,000 jobs, and have only eliminated 1,000 !), and now it seems like they are getting more money. And they lied to get into the EU. For multiple years. By actions-inability to act of agreed plans, and a penchant for lying, Greece should find a way to have a graceful exit from the EU. Maybe, somehow there will be an EU associate membership.
    No one in Greece wants to pay their fair share. Swimming poools are being taxed, so the wealthy are covering thier pools with camoflauge, to deter satellite detection.
    It's the man in the middle who is suffering. Suicides are up by 40%. Murders up by 100%.
  • Eric  •  8 months ago
    ...we do know regulation isn't the answer. Ritholtz says Dodd-Frank and other laws passed after 2008 did "absolutely nothing."

    Complete and utter garbage.

    Regulation works and did work since the debacle of the first great recession of 1928-1940. What happened from 1998 onwards, when we threw out the Glass–Steagall Act, was the complete undermining of the regulations that kept our economy safe and growing. By 2005, the SEC was doing NOTHING to ensure an open, free and fair market. They sat in their offices downloading Internet pornography while our markets burned.

    Nobody trusts the markets anymore, except the insiders who get to rape the rest of us. Bring back Glass-Steagall and a powerful SEC that can't be bought or intimidated.

    I can't believe the garbage, like this article, that passes itself off as "wise counsel" today. Dodd-Frank isn't working because it was neutered at birth and our Congress is doing everything their wealthy p*mps pay them to do to keep it so.

    Was this written by the Koch brothers?!?
    • Macke 8 months ago
      We need more regulation to ensure an open, free and fair market? is the contention that corruption of markets began in 1998? Was that because the SEC didn't have high speed modems for the Internet pornography you somewhat curiously mention?

      Unless you can exhume Elliott Ness you're going to have corruptible officials and utterly random enforcement of securities laws. Your idea would require strict enforcement of globally standardized securities law.

      God's speed with that plan.

      - macke
    • simonpure 8 months ago
      macke is the ayn rand of the fast trader crowd, of which there are many. he does not want to know the history of wall street fraud and corruption, nor that GS was also at the center of the Great Depression Wall Street crash in the 1920s, as Gailbraith has documented, among others. There was a wall put between investment and commercial banks because of GS and their Ponzi schemes in the 1920s....They have always been about lying and cheating and deceiving. Hence it makes perfect sense they would be viewed by traders on the Street as the "best and the brightest" because it is about making money and GS made more than anyone for a long time.

      The only ethic on the Street is utilitarian: to learn to be smart enough to jump off the train before it goes over the cliff with the suckers/passenger masses.
  • Jasmeena  •  8 months ago
    Solution to EU crisis is there, I think. It is something like this. It's a two step process. Step one is similar to Eurobond, but here instead of all Euro countries, only stronger economies like Germany, Finland, France( means countries who have yields on their debt between 1 to 3%) should issue a common bond for their debt. As they can take more money at lesser rates, they should put that money in European stability fund. And step two is issue that money from European stability fund to PIIGS of EU union at lesser rate as compared to what they are paying now for borrowing. Definitely this will cost to stronger nations but it is better to save the economy than allowing it to go. Because here the main problem is time. If PIIGS adopts to some austerity measures and try to reduce their debt and if time is given to PIIGS then there r chances that PIIGS may not default and keep doors open for recovery in future for stronger nations.
  • Finance Qa  •  8 months ago
    hmm
  • A Yahoo! user  •  8 months ago
    The lesson of Lehman is when financial executives collectively throw caution to the wind and breach their fiduciary responsibilities by utilizing extremely excessive leverage in their quest for short term results and bonuses the result is economic recession/depression.
  • charles  •  8 months ago
    No winners there
  • econ pundit  •  8 months ago
    Lehman wasn't a bank. It's failure only affected it's creditors, who would eventually collect, it's employees and shareholders. Goldman and Merrill weren't banks either until the govt decided they should be. All mistakes - brokers and investment banks should be allowed to fail, as they eventually all do.
  • askme  •  8 months ago
    Despite the articles claim - nothing new learned here. The financial leaders failed the us economy, they still have their job and none of them are in default on their million dollar homes. Just goes to show us we cannot trust the media to provide objective info anymore.
  • john hunter  •  8 months ago
    A small group of elite bankers control the governments of the Western world. They do this by controlling the issue of money. Once they do this - they have sovereignty and thus no capitalism or democracy exists. The federal reserve is a private organization that controls the issue of money. This is illegal. Fractional reserve banking is also illegal which is employed by the large banks (30 to 1 in 2008 - not counting 500 trillion derivative market). If a small group controls the issue of currency then eventually all assets wind up in their hands. It's a con game, as the banks only lend out the principal, never the interest = P is less than P plus I.

    They know this and designed it. This is why the debt always expands (even a child could see the stupidity in this) and explains the never ending wars (designed by the bankers - who profit off of lending money to government - backed by you) and then handed over to military apparatus. This is why we are still in Iraq which is rediculous given a) it is an illegitamat war and b) we're in a depression??????

    Oh, and goldman sachs stole 13 billion in 2008 (illegal naked short cds bet against subprime mortgages with aig). This is a well known fact and is an example of just one small crime committed by these evil tyrants. These thefts dilute the currency base (expansion of monetary base without productive backing - do bankers produce anything of value to deserve billions in pay????????) and ultimately lead to destruction of the currency..

    The mainstream media is obviously controlled and won't discuss this topic. See Mark Pittman - true American patriot and hero - he died to bring you this info!
  • Kenneth  •  8 months ago
    if Goldman-Sachs helped Greece lie their way into the Eurozone, why is it no one has taken Goldman-Sachs to task?
    • john hunter 8 months ago
      See Mark Pittman - bloomberg journalist - died of heart attack before second expose on goldman (he sued fed and brought us some of info we have - he is a great American patriot).

      Others who have been silenced and persecuted include - Paul Craig Roberts (assistant treasury to the secretary under Regan and Volker), Catherine Austin Fitts (assisstant secretary of housing), Brooksley Born (head of cftc -went toe to toe with Larry to stop derivatives in late 90s and maintain Glass Steagle act), and Matt Taibbi (good reporter but can't get his work into mainstream media - called goldman sachs a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity constantly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money).

      These are great Americans who are putting their lives on the line for us - if only they were in office.
  • thomas  •  8 months ago
    hmmm, yes, we would like to let the Greek go, but they do not want. And a unregulated Greek default would probably be enough to start a panic Lehman style.
    Unfortunately all mayor institutions in the eurozone are ruled by those indebted...(in the end the French are among them as they hold so much debt of the southern countries)
  • Johnny Randal  •  8 months ago
    We learn something............Do not sell bad debts........Bad Debts kill the market for a while.......Now nothing can stop recovery.....Buy.....
  • Mark  •  8 months ago
    "...My right half wants to foreclose on my left" ))))))))))))) A-ha-ha LOL. Jeff is surely charismatic, entertaining and quite right on the money. Good job, Mr. Macke!!
  • blame yourself  •  8 months ago
    government can not save the world it can only destroy it-
    the less of it there is ..........the more plentiful the bounty of life.

    We need some, but the less the better.
    When individuals are self reliant they are free to grow and prosper.

    The lesson from leeman is :its best to promise something to others that isn't yours and take a cut to do it.

    government does he same thing and so does capitalism- its better under capitalism becaquse it allows for growth in society

    end it.
    • john hunter 8 months ago
      Exactly, government should be capped at about 10% of our economy. It is necessary at a small level (eduaction, law enforcement) but becomes a drain beyond that. It is horribly inefficient at anything they do. And government definitely cannot allocate resources ex welfare and specifically corporate welfare (ex 13 billion to goldman sachs in 2008 - due to aig failure) due to conflicts of interest (hank paulson - then treasury secretary and former ceo goldman sachs). I mean - just look at the news today -- Obamagate. And it goes on and on - all on backs of middle class.
  • Ex Exec  •  8 months ago
    When the experts go down, how can the layman win?
  • J  •  8 months ago
    Lehman failed, and that's what should have been allowed to happen to all the big banks.
  • Keyhole at MHR  •  8 months ago
    ... should the EU do a Viking funeral, on Greece? Italy? Spain? Portugal? Should the United States toss Louisiana, New Mexico, and Vermont off the U.S. Dollar? -- QED, asj.
    • JJM 8 months ago
      sorry, what proof did you solve?
  • JohnnyBoy  •  8 months ago
    Finance play an important role in every nations, another word "Bank" is one the core and backbone of the palying. How to save "Bank"? Why all the Banks are in financial crisis? So do the all credit unions are in the crisis. Talking about Bank and credit unions, interest rate is one of main element to effect economy. Interest rate is related to tax rate and currency exchange rate. With all rates are reflect on price of oil and gold, right now is time to pull out money from bank and credit Union and invest in stock mark ,treasury bonds and money market.

    Shall we trust Americas Bank and Credit Union? Or shall we outsourcing US banks to other nation to learn Bank's policy and interest rate system. Don't fool and trap us with offer raising interest rate. If banks and credit unions eat full, then what's next low down interest rate to allow us money flow to other investing market.

    Don't let financial business fool us all, how many of you lost your saving in real estate because of bank and credit union loan? With real estate crashed, banks and credit unions are resposible for buy back null and unfolderable real estate house value. What happen now? Banks and credit unions can't eat all, lowing down the real estate house price and trap us again with paying "property tax" and "interest" so all the banks and credit unions can fool our US people again and again.
  • Keyhole at MHR  •  8 months ago
    ... oh, there's going to be an eencie-weencie bit more more to this, than economics for idiots, 101. Tossing Greece out the sunroof like a spent candy wrapper might make for chest thumping bragging rights, cold hard decision making prowess, steeped in balance sheet reality. Perhaps you could make a brand new advertising jingle: "We make decisions, the old fashioned way!" The fine line, between capitalism, and a reciprocity and redistribution based economy, is currency divisibility. Go ahead. Be my guest. I double dog dare you, to step over that line, do a Viking funeral on Greece, start picking and choosing, tinkering around, arbitrarily excluding certain cohorts, reserving certain currencies, for certain people. See what happens. Karl Polyani rides again! -- QED, asj.
    • Macke 8 months ago
      The euro is a decade old, undoing it wouldn't be a horseman of the apocalypse.

      - macke
    • John 8 months ago
      Seems to me you cherry picked that response.... my take was let Greece fail, let the balance of the piigs fail, then (some.... what 20% of u.s. exports to EU) let the U.S. fail (S&P is not 100 & 5 % wrong) then, then, ???? China & India (bric) will slow or retract and then where will the growth be, that warm and fuzzy feeling that your assets are growing in value? Bank runs are not "just" possible. Why is Greece to the piigs not likened to Lehman passing crap along with the countrywide's, etc.?
  • Rock Solid Truth  •  8 months ago
    If you want to get a really good sense and feeling in your stomach of how this is going to go ......listen to the tape of Capt Sully and the air traffic controller......

    Only, it is highly unlikely that on Geithner's version of the flight......that everyone aboard will survive.

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