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Beware of the Cyclical Stock Value Trap! Says Katsenelson

Investors woke up Friday to the news that Chinese Imports slumped 15.3% compared to January 2011; the worst reading since August 2009. Meanwhile, the nascent Greek austerity agreement announced yesterday is already unraveling as European officials demanded the measure gain approval in the Greek Parliament prior to any aid being released.

With the split between the improving U.S. economy and the weakness in the rest of the world getting ever wider, even as markets rally, it's more important than ever to position your portfolio in the right sectors. According to value investor Vitaliy Katsenelson, author of "The Little Book of Sideways Markets," the risk facing investors is falling into "value traps" in the form of the deep cyclicals.

Companies like Caterpillar (CAT), Joy Global (JOY), and Deere (DE) "look cheap on a P/E basis, many of them trading at 10 or 11 times earnings and if you look at the past they are growing 10 - 15% a year," says Katsenelson. As is always the case in markets, assuming the future will be an extension of the past can get you in a lot of trouble.

Global economies went from the bubble of the mid aughts straight to massive stimulus in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis. The result is the cyclicals never fully suffered through the meltdown as much as other groups as countries replaced private building demand with government works.

As austerity measures take hold in Europe and China seemingly slowing despite its best efforts the cyclicals are ripe for a contraction. The reason those low P/E multiples are a trap is, in Katsenelson's view, the earnings portion of the equation is going to shrink.

"Caterpillar margins today are about 8 - 9%, historically their margins are between 3 - 5%," he notes. With shrinking demand, either revenues or margins will be hit and that spells bad things for the stock.

Running back of the envelope numbers. If a company trading for $100 per share and a P/E of 10x sees margins decline from 10% to 5% the stock either suddenly looks expensive at a 20 P/E or drops to $50. Neither scenario is good for the stock in question.

Katsenelson isn't screaming "sell" and he's certainly not bullish. He's laying out the risk and pushing the idea that investors just walk away from the cyclical sector. In a bull vs. bear / buy or sell world the simple "AVOID" call is an underrated, critical part of the investment process.

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13 comments

  • Mister Z  •  Olathe, Kansas  •  3 months ago
    If you keep listening to analysts opinions, you will no longer have any of your own.
    They are just people, and they are wrong a lot.
    • Stock Wizard 3 months ago
      You are right on Mister Z. The biggest error in investing I have made was listening to analysts. In 2011 it was reported that 73% of managed mutual funds lost money for their investors.
    • Bob_081690 3 months ago
      Sir Roger, that's because the managed mutual funds are meant to make money for the manager. The investor is only a secondary concern.
    • Lead Apron Please 3 months ago
      Why are you repeating what he just said??
  • ROBERT  •  Houston, Texas  •  3 months ago
    Buying into facebook may look good especially if price goes up, but when that happens greedy americans will sell and it will crash so to protect Facebook interest.
    • Odd Duck 3 months ago
      Why do you consider it "greedy" for Americans to sell a stock when the price goes up? How do you define "greedy?"
    • ROBERT 3 months ago
      Greedy would be to sell on impact to get most and not to let ride, the initial would screw others.
    • Jack 3 months ago
      I would like to take a look inside Robert's mind, scary stuff!
  • sometimes_methinks  •  Gurgaon, India  •  3 months ago
    Spot on; CAT and DE are well priced close to $40. And they will get hit in 2013, 2014 (and perhaps part of 2015 too); those are the 2 to 3 years US will need to work hard on its balance sheet. We may have a liquidity driven bull in 2012, but come 2013 there are serious macro issues to work through.
  • JR007  •  Tucson, Arizona  •  3 months ago
    To all you doom and gloomers...Jobs are improving...Unemployment is dropping...The housing relief is finally starting...The market is behaving pretty well...Manufacturing is up...We are winding down the wars... Our terrorist enemies are being eliminated... American reached 70% energy independence this month...There is a good chance for ending the gridlock this November if the voting folks wise up.......I like it all a lot more than 3 years ago...Just sayin.. tho...Guess I will stay bullish..
    • Lead Apron Please 3 months ago
      WOOO -- YEAA --- Only 10,000,000 more people need employed until we reach 0.0% unemployment using the fed's way of figuring. And 70% energy independence because we got lots of coal, natural gas, hydro, nuclear, wind and solar power...what did I leave out...OH yea -- OIL -- where it really counts - there we're only 30% independent.
  • A  •  3 months ago
    And the BIG LIE at 4:53 - that the US Economy is recovering.. then the admission - its only been on Government spending, which is on DEBT.

    And whose going to do the debt refi for CONgress?

    NO ONE
    • Lead Apron Please 3 months ago
      Ever heard of bond sales -- they are a new thing -- just came out recently -- they are paying ultra high percentages of 2 or maybe even 3 percent.
  • JR007  •  Tucson, Arizona  •  3 months ago
    The shorts are hoping...But I am Buying a few selected divys..It really doesn't matter when you buy the right issues...MFM paid the same dividend ...%5apr.. monthly...all through the crash even tho its value dropped to $4 from $7.50...and it is still paying it today, Tax free. Check it out...
  • Mark  •  3 months ago
    Smartest Guest Macke has had. The United States will slow down. The global economy is going to get hammered. Europe can not cut back on spending without it hurting the US and China. China is already feeling and we are being lied to by corps and government.
  • Jeffrey Rowan  •  Santa Clara, California  •  3 months ago
    Jeff Mackee is out-doing Jim Cramer.
    • Lead Apron Please 3 months ago
      Impos-seeeble! ...no one outdoes Jim!! Don't ever try to do the opposite of what he says though...
  • ROBERT  •  Houston, Texas  •  3 months ago
    Time for the market to crash and crash hard.
  • Ex Exec  •  Reno, Nevada  •  3 months ago
    If you do not invest in cycles, how about seasonal? MTN vs WOLF, FUN?
  • cinna23  •  Elmhurst, Illinois  •  3 months ago
    Government spending? Where, on what? Government payrolls are falling, hugely. We need massive infrastructure investment by governments to lead the way up but the Tea Pottery/ Austerians stand in the way. Funny your guest is really talking about liquidity traps(a Keynesian concept which Austerians don't believe in). Stop listening to Nattering Nesto.
  • Malinowski  •  Warsaw, Poland  •  3 months ago
    USA $ is trap?
  • Idaho Spudman  •  Salt Lake City, Utah  •  3 months ago
    Only stimulious is gold and silver

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