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Does Europe Still Matter to U.S. Stocks?

The week isn't even half-way done and we've already heard at least a quarter's worth of horror stories out of Europe:

* German industrial production unexpectedly unexpectedly fell in December as Europe's largest economy continues to whither.

* Greek workers are staging a strike in protest of the austerity measures European authorities are requiring prior to formalizing a long-delayed "make or break" debt write down.

* Retail sales in the UK slumped to their second worst January since 1995 when the country started tracking such data.

Six months ago, any two of the above would have sent global equities tumbling. In 2012 U.S. investors pretended to care by starting the day lower prior to sending the tape lazily higher on Monday and Tuesday. Crazy as it seems the question has to be asked: Does Europe as we know it (in a recession and keeping Greece on life support) still matter to U.S. Stocks?

Tim Speiss of EisnerAmper Wealth Planning LLC gives the natural answer: An emphatic YES. For starters he notes "the EU on a combined basis represents 20% of global GDP." That doesn't just have implications for the U.S. According the International Monetary Fund, via Speiss, China's ability to pull off an economic "soft-landing" relies on Europe stabilizing. The magnitude of China's exposure is such that the IMF offered China unsolicited advice on what the country should do to stimulate its economy in the likely event that the EU drag worsens.

What really scares Speiss as a wealth adviser, is his observation that the EU recovery will be hampered by the same demographic problem that will become acute in the U.S. over the next two decades: An economy dominated by the elderly and retired, draining resources from a decreasing base of workers.

"The spotlight is on Greece," notes Speiss, adding that the country represents less than one-half of a percent of global GDP. The diminutive Greek economy is the good news. The bad news is that if it takes the EU this long to deal with Greece, the failure of a larger economy in the remaining nations figures to utterly paralyze the entire continent.

It's an extensive list of horrors, including the fact that he thinks the ECB is exacerbating matters horribly through inaction. Regardless, Speiss still thinks there are companies that will emerge from the wreckage intact and possibly even thriving; just not in the financial sector.

The bottom line as Tim Speiss sees it is Europe not only matters but its still getting worse. The view from where I'm sitting is a European recession is priced into the tape, reducing developments over there to the loudest sound in a noisy room.

Unless it starts screaming lower, the EU playbook for dealing with an eroding Europe is already laid out: Buy U.S. stocks.

Are you ignoring Europe, staying out of stocks because of it, or watching it without letting Europe dictate your financial strategy? Let us know in the space below or drop me a Tweet @Jeffmacke

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58 comments

  • Save our country  •  3 months ago
    Rigged market doesn't respond in a logical way to any news that is out there. Shorts can cause terrible downfalls and tremendous surges due to supply squeezes. How can a small investor be confident in a market that is stacked for the big guys?
    • mook 3 months ago
      Don't listen to these shills! Buy low cost index funds and go enjoy life. Horrible just horrible.
    • DG Reid 3 months ago
      I don't invest in index funds, but I do agree with Mook about not listening to the pundits. They have a job to write about the market, and try to make it sound exciting. Don't believe everything they say - and never believe it when they explain.
  • Mister Z  •  Olathe, Kansas  •  3 months ago
    Europe still matters, I'm just tired of hearing about every week..
    • DG Reid 3 months ago
      I agree. There was a time when 7% bonds in Italy was a deal breaker. Now the news is when interest drops below 7%. I think the market has already assumed that Greece will default and adjusted. Now, it's old news.
    • Woody 3 months ago
      Old news for sure, but what's the new news going to look like? Should we trust that Europe will secure the world's stability?
  • Jeff  •  Kansas City, Missouri  •  3 months ago
    We will watch Greece because all the Govt workers in Greece still want the good life and benefits and want the rest of Europe to pay for it. Just like the USA. Downsize them until the budget is balanced.
    • Scott 3 months ago
      You're blaming the wrong people.
  • Tom  •  3 months ago
    The US doesn't even matter to US stocks.
  • david w  •  Livingston, New Jersey  •  3 months ago
    Your kidding me , The solution is ignore europe since it might lower the stock market??? Brilliant this surly will not end badly
  • nogrowth  •  Surfside, California  •  3 months ago
    Only two years later and Greece is still the headline. 1; they get bailed out: recession, high unemployment, riots, political extremist gets elected. 2; they default: ditto!
  • no, your friends cant wat ...  •  Westford, Massachusetts  •  3 months ago
    the US market isn't responding with the wild point swings of the past because the market is rigged. 'They' swung the market to drive down stocks and then on 1 bit of 'good' news the mkt jumps back up. the whole thing is manipulated.. gas prices 'expected' to top $4 a gallon in 3 months...normally that would send the market realing..but not now???

    don't be lured back in the mkt..'they' are waiting to tank it...

    cash and cd's are king
    • Tom 3 months ago
      There may be truth to what you say, but I have made a killing in the last 6 months trading stock and options. I will continue to do so. One can profit from a falling market as well.
    • Eric 3 months ago
      the only people who complain about the markets are the ones whom do not know how to profit in downturns. it's quite easy.
    • DG Reid 3 months ago
      Just as looking out the window is often the best way to tell the weather, just looking at the market trend is a very workable strategy. Complaining about daily ups and downs is a time-wasting folly.
  • bill  •  3 months ago
    I don,t know anything about Europe all I know is the USA economy is the worst in the last 50 years and we need a real leader as President to look out for American people not Big Oil or Wall Street.
  • Michael  •  3 months ago
    I'm still worried about Europe as I really don't know what will happen there and do not know how much exposure U.S. banks have to Europe. I am actually pretty close to 50/50 cash/stocks. I also don't know how investors will react if Europe does in fact turn into a catastrophe.
  • Paul  •  3 months ago
    Who cares what this guy thinks.
  • Elisabeth  •  Fort Huachuca, Arizona  •  3 months ago
    It's all a racket! I bought five shares of China Mobile (CHL) in 2008. Now it has a market cap of over $200B, almost the size of Walmart. The share price is hovering around $50. I should be rich but have still not got even with my original investment of $250. Where is the trickle down to the investor? My investment should be worth $25,000. These companies can manuever around shareholders and cheat them out of their share of the pie using lucrative accounting and manipulating the rules. The company grew dramatically and is the largest provider in China. It should be against the law.
  • Scott  •  3 months ago
    I'm staying out because of it. However, it seems that no matter what happens, it's bullish! Seems fake. The banks seem to care a whole lot about Europe, maybe that's why it's been so crazy.
    • I'mthinking.. 3 months ago
      I'm mostly out as well...seems a safe bet while the uncertainty remains
  • Fencer  •  Budapest, Hungary  •  3 months ago
    Unfortunately soon it will be"Does US matter to the rest of the World"
  • Daniel  •  Crawfordsville, Indiana  •  3 months ago
    Europe matters because it indicates we won. The EU tried to band together as a political and economic group to rival the US. They created their own parliament and their own currency. They allowed things to flow freely across borders. At one point, there was even talk of OPEC denominating their oil trade in Euros instead of dollars. Now, the European landscape is shaky at best. The US has won. The implications for this will show up in accelerating US economic growth as the countries of Europe continue to falter for the next year or two.
  • god bless US  •  Phoenix, Arizona  •  3 months ago
    Games Rich play to rip hard working investors's money
  • steves  •  3 months ago
    duh
  • Ted C  •  Panama City, Florida  •  3 months ago
    Collectively the EU is a larger market than the US. Plus their proximity to global tension hotspots make it impossible to ignore, yet look at the US stock market rally like it's 1999. So go figure.
  • Bob J  •  3 months ago
    Whither thou goest. The market, that is.
  • lfkjaf  •  3 months ago
    Yes, it does matter, just not currently. As European markets teeter, the U.S. markets appear to have more stability and better investment opportunity. After the start of the year, foreign investors have been trending to the U.S. strengthening Wall Street. 2012 could turn out to be huge for U.S. investment. It's all a matter of faith in the system. If U.S. companies start to report losses, it could turn the other way, just as fast. The world is financially mobile and can turn on a dime. If businesses do not over-extend themselves and work within their means with long-term growth this would help stabilize the U.S. economy. On the other hand if the Board of Directors starts pushing for bigger profits sooner, well we have seen what has happened in the past and what they decide to do is entirely up to them.
  • Woody  •  Paso Robles, California  •  3 months ago
    I am staying out of stocks because of Europe. However, this bull market is gutwrenching to watch. I suppose that multiple sovereign debt crises in Europe and the potential freeze of global credit markets is no big deal?

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