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Doug Kass on Volatility, Vexation and Voodoo

Who knows what the next hour will bring in the market these days, let alone the next week, but as I write this, the S&P 500 is doing something it hasn't done since the first trading day of October: declining by more than 1%. At the same time, the CBOE Volatility Index or (VIX) is bouncing sharply off a 6-week low of $31 and clawing its way higher, making up for lost time like a sailor with a shore pass!

It's more "Groundhog Day" than deja vu since, as I first discussed with John Bogle two weeks ago, this directional madness appears to be entering it's 9th leg in as many weeks where rallies are sold and valleys are bought. At issue, famed investor Doug Kass tells me, is not that it makes it harder to make money, but rather that the volatility saps already weakened investor confidence.

"That's the problem," says Kass, the president and founder of Seabreeze Partners Management, "it (volatility) is serving to dissipate confidence on the part of market participants."

In the attached video, which we shot at The Big Picture Conference, I asked Kass to elaborate on statements he made to the New York Times, where he likened the market to a "casino on steroids" and warned of "the new weapons of financial mass destruction."

In classic Kassian fashion, he offers a metaphor, "we're in a trading sardine market, not an eating sardine market," to describe the current climate as one where investors have no great love for what they buy or intention of holding on to it.

"Unfortunately," he says, "high-frequency trading strategies, coupled with leveraged ETFs, have reduced the confidence of both retail and institutional investors."

While falling short of calling for an outright ban, Kass does think restoring the uptick rule would help. In the meantime, he says, the inexplicable market moves that tend to occur in the final hour of trading have become just part of the game, and need to be kept in context.

"It's serving to exaggerate the moves, both up and down," Kays says, "so as a result we have to be mindful that these moves are outsized and that we will get a lot of mean regression" - which is the market's tendency to revert to long-term averages.

As I wrote yesterday, Kass feels the lows of last week and August will hold but as for identifying support, resistance or attractive levels at which to buy or sell, Kass is mercilessly blunt about the work of Wall Street's legion of chartists.

"There are numerous fundamental investors in the Forbes 400 list," Kass points out, "but not one technical analyst. I really don't pay much attention to that voodoo."

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15 comments

  • Bruce  •  7 months ago
    Inside traders are buying the valleys and selling the peaks. The rest of us have 401K 1-2 day
    delays - my confidence in market is shot.
    • TechDave 7 months ago
      "Outside traders" are also trying to buy low and sell high. Many of us also have 401K and similar accounts. Those should be rebalanced occasionally, but not hourly or daily like trading accounts. They're usually set up to discourage trading. Retirement is long term for most folks, and if you look at a "max" chart of S&P and smooth out the tech and housing bubbles in the last two decades, we're on a nice uptrend. If you bought shares at the peaks of either bubble, they might be off a little and might take a while to catch up, but they probably will. If you invested steadily through the bubble bursts, too, and reinvested your dividends, you're probably still ahead. You can be confident that investment values will continue to improve in productive societies. If you prefer to trade, you can usually get the same tax benefits in an IRA, though you might miss company matching, if that's a option. Those who lack confidence usually misunderstand that all investments are tradeoffs.
  • James  •  7 months ago
    Preach it, Dougie.
    CNBC is chock-full of technical clowns.
  • Steven L Goff  •  7 months ago
    Good stuff Jeff!
    • Matt Nesto 7 months ago
      Jeff says thanks... but I happened to do this piece
    • Steven L Goff 7 months ago
      Yes of course Matt! I really enjoyed the interview w/ Dougie. But I was referring to Jeff's 'purple crayon' segment.
  • Gamester  •  7 months ago
    I turn on the radio and all I hear is this investment voodoo (technical analysis). Who out there is worth listening to?
  • montgomery  •  7 months ago
    Eeeeeeeeeeeeee! Another man's done gone.
  • retired in Boynton Beach ...  •  7 months ago
    As the interviewee said, "There are numerous fundamental investors in the Forbes 400 list," Kass points out, "but not one technical analyst. I really don't pay much attention to that voodoo."

    How true. And HOW GULLIBLE are those who follow and act on "technical analysis." Don't they realize that their own purchase and sell patterns based on this "data" serve only to reinforce, nay, even CREATE that same so-called data? If everybody is buying a stock simultaneously because the trend is upward, then guess what -- it goes even further upward! And then, when the price reaches a point where it looks like the ceiling is being approached, everybody sells the same stock at the same time and guess what? The market price goes down again! And then these people "believe" in this voodoo because it seems to work. Right?

    Our educational system fails to teach our students logical thinking.
    • azure 7 months ago
      Exactly!!! I have friends who 'gave up' on fundamental analysis after the 2008 crash, and have been burning cash like crazy ever since following these stupid charts etc that they try to interest me in. I tried to tell them they are behind the wave, this is not the way to do it precisely because so many others are doing it.... But they're convinced that fundamentals are over, it's an emotional fixation. Sure the macro situation is complex, but that is no reason to ignore fundamentals.

      I continually look at the macro view, then drill down to a sector that I think will perform well, and then find a good emerging company that has been undervalued, and invest in it. At times, I change my mind on the company. But basically that is my strategy. I spoke to several millionaires about how they got there and this is also their approach. You cannot ignore fundamentals. The market must return to them. Also I am a buy and hold person which sounds like a massive contradiction but if you find the right companies, this works. But it takes time and patience to find really really good stock.

      It's not so much the education system....it's the role of emotion. I mean, companies that are undervalued, means that others disagree. Being prepared to swim against the emotional current is not the only quality to have, but it helps. Meanwhile, I may not make a million, but I'm damned if some computer program is going to direct my life. What a dumb way to lose cash.
  • mook  •  7 months ago
    This guy is a prince and one of the most honest guys out there!

    3X ETF's WMD !!!! No UP Tick, why invest at all anymore?

    CNBC is the Anti- Christ !
  • littleboyblue  •  7 months ago
    Outlaw the corporation and the public Wall Street and Chicago Casino's. All companies should be privately owned. Do away with Limited Liability. Nationalize the Banks, Repeal the Fed and Fire Timothy Gietner.
    • azure 7 months ago
      All at once? If you want to destroy a system, you need something to replace it with that will not return us to the stone age. Right now, capitalism is still by far the most efficient system. It has some undeniable problems however and some amendments need to be made. But I would not advocate top down economics by a long shot.
  • mook  •  7 months ago
    Wow a good story from the Doom and Gloom network!
  • Joaquin G  •  7 months ago
    Doug Kass is good.
  • Nik  •  7 months ago
    I happen to think that Kass makes a few good points. This is recently rare among market mavens. bye
  • Greenpaper  •  7 months ago
    It's time they had someone like Kass that knows the Markets.
  • Sean  •  7 months ago
    Doug Kass is one of the worst ponzi pumpers out there... surprise, he hates gold too...
    • JD 7 months ago
      You obviously know nothing about Doug Kass!
    • TechDave 7 months ago
      Maybe Sean knows other things about Doug than what he presented in this article. I loved his "pinata" metaphor in yesterday's article. A lot of people seem to be looking for a convenient whipping boy. That often is an attempt to compensate for some insecurities.
  • Independent451  •  7 months ago
    Kass talks his book. Mackey is the straight shooter.
  • vgm  •  7 months ago
    Doug - why obsess about short term market moves, even if they are accentuated by HFT and ETFs? Why not use them to your advantage by buying on the dips?

    Buffett said he's been buying "every day" of late and spent some $4B on equities in Q3. I don't think he's worrying about sardines! Maybe it's time to recall Ben Graham's advice that in the short term the market is a voting machine but in the long term is a weighing machine.

    Great companies are on sale and will come thru in the long run, as they always do.

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