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Gold’s Safe Haven Status in Question After 3.5% Sell-Off This Week

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Despite its reputation as a safe place to hide from the chaos roiling global markets, gold has hardly been a bastion of strength. The yellow metal suffered a tough week falling 3.5% to close out at $1,725.10 an ounce. The price tumbled 3% on Thursday alone, actually outpacing the decline in U.S. stocks. For a traditional safe haven, the recent action has been concerning for those invested in the precious metal.

The question on the minds of gold bugs everywhere is whether this a flashing yellow light or another chance to buy the dip?

"Gold is being a save haven," insists Alix Steel, crack reporter for TheStreet.com. The metal is "going down less than the rest of the market; this is exactly what we saw in 2008," she says. During the financial crisis gold fell 20% in a few weeks then rallied up 40% for the year. Steel, who always comes prepared, also cites the following:

*ETF Demand was up 58% in Q3, despite the well-publicized selling by struggling hedge fund manager John Paulson

*Total gold investment was up 6%

*Demand for gold bars and coins rose 29%

*Central banks bought over 140 tons during Q3

The last point is critical as central bank buying around the world has been a pillar of the bullish gold case throughout the entire rally.

Steel says she hasn't heard any indications from her impressive list of sources that Emerging market central banks are doing any selling. Not only that but total buying could be as high as 450 tons for the year compared to net selling just three years ago.

Steel's conclusion is that adding gold to your holdings prudently is still a good idea provided buyers don't get too rattled by likely volatility. "Keep in mind when stocks get pummeled, commodities get pummeled, and gold will get hurt along the way," she says. But the bet is that gold just won't stay down as long.

Steel says the miners are also picking up steam lately. She points specifically to Randgold (GOLD), a stock showing strength despite the fact that the company missed Q3 earnings estimates in almost every way a company can possibly disappoint. She also likes Newmont Mining (NEM) despite dropping production because of the company's "juicy sexy dividend."

Regardless of my respect for Steel, not all the dividends nor earnings misses in a row could get me to make a bullish case for mining stocks. Gold will never change. Indeed, not changing is much of the investment thesis for gold. The miners are run by people who tend to screw up at inconvenient times.

Are you buying the metals, the miners, or staying away from both? Let us know in the comment section below.

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150 comments

  • PerryC  •  6 months ago
    Gee, no one questions the dollar's safe-haven status, and it has fallen 97%.

    I wonder why?
    • PerryC 6 months ago
      And no one questions the safe-haven status of US Treasuries, even though the US is never expected to pay off any of it's existing debt, only roll it over with new debt, and accumulate many times more debt in the process. A small increase in interest rates will dramatically impact the (alleged) solvency of the USA.
    • papastrophe 6 months ago
      you cant, it's the reserve currency of the world, i guess if you are more militarily powerful and be willing to dump the currency then yes.
    • Mr. X 6 months ago
      Papastrophe, before WWII the British pound sterling was the reserve currency of the world. It's time has passes and so will that of the USD.
      Before WWI the German/Prussian mark was quite desirable. They are worthless now, unless you have the ones that were minted from gold. You can still buy 20 Mark gold coins today. They cost just a little over $400 (the same 20 marks in paper is worthless).
  • NightShift  •  6 months ago
    Down 3.5% for the week, Up 27% from last year. Sure sounds like a safe haven to me, especially when I am getting less than 1% fromm the bank.
    • Bill 6 months ago
      Maybe less than that when you see the bank closing reports every week and FDIC is broke.
  • pepe peerz  •  6 months ago
    Never sell your gold. Use it as insurance, not as an investment.

    If the price goes up, sweet!

    If it goes down, buy the fracking dip!

    Never attempt to trade it, buying and selling, and hold it in physical form. Gold certificates will not be honored once the nukes start flying!
    • Ed_B 6 months ago
      Considering the massive amount of sovereign and personal debt floating around the world these days and the tendency for central banks to print their currencies to extinction, nukes will not be needed to completely bring down the current worldwide financial house of cards. All it will take is a tiny portion of the $600 trillion worth of leveraged derivatives to blow up at just the right time and in just the right places. Not only have the banksters, broksters, and insurance company nabobs bet their companies on these derivatives, they have also bet the financial futures of everyone on this rock who has invested in paper assets. Well, gee... thanks, guys. We really needed that! As in NOT.
    • not I said the ape 6 months ago
      Then what the hell is the point? are you trying to get your camel through a needles eye? why not just pretend you have it. it might be better to give all your gold away to charity and tell yourself you are going to Heaven for doing just that, and perhaps you will. no doubt youll have a better chance after helping other people instead of pouring and storing the fruits of your labor into a metal
    • pepe peerz 6 months ago
      Andrew, it is insurance. Consider for a moment how insurance works: You pour the fruits of your labor into a document that produces absolutely nothing. A modern economist would call that an inefficiency, just as vaccines are inefficient, an industrial base is inefficient, defence forces are inefficient, savings are inefficient, etc. That seems to be the zeitgest of the era, to wipe out all forms of insurance and long term security in search of "efficiency". It is the same with gold. Of course it is just a yellow, improductive metal. But you can still sell it, at the right moment.

      Is it a bubble, like the tulip craze? If it is, then it is a 7000 year old bubble. Maybe it is not popping because unlike tulips, the supply of gold seems to be really scarce..
  • Et tu Brute  •  6 months ago
    I'd bet on gold over an overly manipulated 'currency' any day.
    • Frank 6 months ago
      Very well said!
    • Ed_B 6 months ago
      Indeed so! No central bank can print more gold, thereby devaluing all of the other gold out there. They can and are doing that with the fiat currencies.
  • Dave  •  6 months ago
    My God does every one have just a 5 second attention span? The only price that's swinging is the ETF price (and that's not that big of dip) of which there is no gold or silver to back the trades actually. And the only reason it's going down is that those who are losing money in the stock and bond markets are selling their gold to pay their margin calls. And as the presses start running 24/7 to print more dollars and more Euros the real price of gold and silver will become, well, priceless. The euro is about to dive and the dollar will follow. Do you really think that the world's central banks have been steadily increasing their real gold purchases because they see it's price declining? Hell no! They've increased their purchases and holdings because they know what's coming. Question is can you hold onto yours as your cash flow dries up and becomes worthless?Because that's what they want you to do sell them your gold and you have nothing. The day is fast approaching when there won't be enough physical gold to satisfy the demand and price goes exponential.
    • John 6 months ago
      Dave, that is an awesome post. There is this guy Tony who keeps posting crap on this page. Hopefully he'll read this and get a clue.
    • Stephen 6 months ago
      sound investment thinking. heard the analogy once that if you had and ounce of gold in 1933 it would buy you a really nice suit, that same ounce of gold today will buy you a really nice suit. buy gold for the long term
    • MattG 6 months ago
      I agree except Euro wont dive.
  • anarchist  •  6 months ago
    What will gold be worth when paper money is worthless? I don't know, but I'm guessing more than the US$.
  • Met Fan Lou  •  6 months ago
    I buy gold. I can take a 50 dollar gold eagle and go anywhere in the world and it will have the same value, the price of an ounce of gold for that date, Do that with a dollar? Also buy wisely. I buy bullion gold and silver and also diversify with semi-rare gold coins for numismatic and collector value. But and this is a big but, educate yourself, subscribe to coin magazines and newsletters and go to coin shows and talk to dealers. Establish a relationship with a dealer in your area. similar to what you do with a financial advisor and he can be a mentor too. In other words-know what you are doing. I have made some investment mistakes in coins and gold but it was the best education I ever paid for. Also I love it as a hobby just like someone plays golf and this adds to my interest.
  • J  •  6 months ago
    First of all, gold and silver are being manipulated. That might work well for the Fed over the short term, but long term, an ounce of gold is an once of gold. If it goes on sale, once in a while, buy more.

    Secondly, anyone who is bothered by price fluctuations needs to find another investment. Gold is for people who understand the worthlessness of fiat currencies.
  • Troop  •  6 months ago
    What's hilarious is they NEVER showed how the stock market plunged and folks lost all their retirement 1,000 times the past few years . The ones who bought gold instead of playing russian roulette in the market the last few years ... STILL HAVE THEIR MONEY !!!!! and its quad-drupled !!! === GO FIGGER !!
  • John  •  6 months ago
    PHASE I low interest rates to avoid DEPRESSION . PHASE II will be hyper inflation so buy gold or gold miners stocks NOW! Classic economics cycle in place.
  • Toadaly  •  6 months ago
    The idea behind gold as a safe haven is not that the price is stable - the price *is not* stable. The safe haven idea is that gold is an insurance policy against all hell breaking loose. Nightmare scenarios do actually happen from time to time, and owning gold and silver can be the difference between life and death if major powers start collapsing.
  • Bob_081690  •  6 months ago
    Typical knee jerk reaction from Yahoo Finance. Like watching the forecast for yesterday's weather. A couple of good days and their on the bandwagon, a couple down and there in panic get out mode.
  • Stephen  •  6 months ago
    Give me a break,gold is up 20% so far this year,and an average of 21% each year for the last ten years.How about a class action against financial planners for not putting people into gold!
  • The Road Warrior  •  6 months ago
    There are always those who look at gold & silver as any other investment, and they will take profits as they would with any other investment. Then there are people with their eyes open, who see what's coming down the road.
  • Smitty  •  6 months ago
    It's very simple ... as long as they keep printing money, gold will go up. We know, without a doubt, that the US must print or default ... and they won't default. We know that Europe must print, split apart, or default. And we know the core countries won't default, and splitting apart would cause a run to safe havens. There may be a deflationary dip in all commodities, including gold, initially, but in the long run there is no question. Government's will not do what's needed to be done to avoid the collapse of the fiat system. Which leaves gold as your store of value.
  • Zeus  •  6 months ago
    Great question!! You've only been asking it since gold was at $600!!!!! Keep up the good work media paper pimps! The mighty Zeus has spoken!
  • jeremyp  •  6 months ago
    wait till "currency wars" start happening, and countries purposely sink their currencies to the bottom in order to get an "export" advantage against the other! then you'll see the real value of Gold shine!
  • John  •  6 months ago
    Tony, Tony, Tony....here is the difference between gold and real estate. Gold is no government's liability. Gold has been used a source of currency since the beginning of time. Gold is a scarce resource. And with the continued devaluing of the dollar by the continuous printing of money, gold's value RELATIVE to the dollar will increase...
  • First NameRoger  •  6 months ago
    The price can be manipulated in the short term, governments are desperate to prevent gold from exploding because it indicates that their money printing is causing inflation, and people are losing confidence in their fiat currencies.
    However in the long term, just look at a 10 year chart of gold and compare with stock market indices. Gold is up on average 17% a year for the past 10 years, the Dow and NASDAQ are trading at the same levels or lower than they were 10 years ago. The choice is clear. And all this is BEFORE the treasury bubble pops...
  • Dr. Detroit  •  6 months ago
    Mack,
    Luv ya bro, but are your serious? Where you gonna put your cash? Oh, I know....HOW ABOUT THE BANK?! I mean, you get 1% a year in interest!!!! And inflation is only officially 3% SO you are GUARANTEED TO LOSE AT LEAST 2%!!! Whatta deal. Or how about stock.....hmmmm....let's see here: we have a continual litany of fraud gong on in Wall Street with high-freq trading, naked shorting, insider trading (with Congress, no less), daisy chains, oute-stuffing, flash-crashes, off-balance sheet garbage, and of course we can all trust the ratings agencies to do their sacred tasks!!! Oh, BTW, stocks are down at least a third since 2000 if you count inflation....so maybe there is an upside....but dividends are becoming non-existent and stock buybacks the norm. I could go on, but there is no point. If you don't like gold, then put your faith in Heli-Ben. I hope you can sleep well at nite if you do. I couldn't. But I don't need to. I buy gold.

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