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Wall Street Tumbles 4%: Has the Market Hit Bottom?

Another rough day for stocks as a feared escalation in Europe's debt crisis skipped the pond and hit the U.S. markets hard. The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 4.6% closing at 10,719 and the S&P 500 sunk 4.4% to 1120.

It would be nice to call the bottom of the Summer of 2011 market meltdown. But confidence is key and there's too much uncertainty out there, making this the key debate on Wall Street right now: Has the market hit bottom?

I'm pulling for the Bullish camp - the side that will hopefully look back and declare yesterday, Tuesday August 9th at 2:42pm EDT, stocks made their lows for 2011. For those scoring at home, the levels were 10,674 on the DJIA and within spitting distance of 1,100 on the S&P.

At that exact moment the fear was palpable, the Fed Statement with its negative implications for the economy through 2012 was digested, and stocks were some 7% off their opening levels of Monday. The market looked into the abyss and found it's soul. As it turns out, the market's soul was a buyer of stocks, in size. Starting at 2:43 EDT on Tuesday, stocks exploded higher putting more than 6% between the lows and the 4:00pm close.

Of such moments and reversals are market bottoms made. To debate the point, Matt Nesto and Aaron Task of the Daily Ticker joined me for a Financial Summit. Their list of fears is as familiar as it is harrowing.

Here's why the Bearish camp believes stocks will move lower:

* The fear still isn't bad enough. The VIX (^VIX) topped 40 today. But for market vets such as Nesto, 40 is nothing. Volatility has plenty of room to run higher.

* Traders are still being tactical; buying levels like S&P 500 1,100 and trying to get footholds for long strategies. Two previously critical support levels - 1,250 and 1,140 on the S&P - held for a blink and collapsed. And 1,100 is no different.

* There's no catalyst to drive us higher. Broad awareness that the financial system is in peril isn't the same as a reason to buy.

* The European financial system is crumbling. Financial stocks are getting buried as a result but they can still fall more as the snowball expands. As is the case for all equities, and as was proven with Lehman Brothers in 2008, the bottom is $0. The financial stocks won't go down alone.

* The US banking system isn't much better off than Europe.

* The European and US financial systems' problems intermingling is a problem too hideous to even contemplate.

The boys make a compelling case. You may hear lofty bullish cases with ratios and theoretical bottom signals elsewhere. The truth is, there isn't a trading paradigm fitting this particular panic. People on both sides are making their best guesses. Nobody knows when the correction will end. Anyone who says otherwise is either lying or selling you something you really shouldn't buy.

As I always say, you can try anything you want as long as you have an exit plan. I'm trying to buy stocks a little bit at a time with a stop-loss level of just below 1,100 on the S&P 500; the lows of August 9th. Unless and until we take out those lows, I'm targeting this as a bottom.

Let us know what you think in the comment section below.

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119 comments

  • s.w.  •  9 months ago
    There is strong technical support for the Dow at DJIA 0.00.
  • Annmarie Hoover  •  9 months ago
    The damned Recession never truly left....the bastard was camped out on the front lawn.
  • TS  •  9 months ago
    All that segment needed was some boxing gloves. . . but It was great strong opinions clashing. I don't think the bottom is in, especially for the DOW. Everybody was talking put you money into the multi-nationals cause they're strong. People did and bid them up, but now that is where most of the problems are at overseas. Those have further to fall than just the recent moves. I called get your DOW 10,000 hats ready about two weeks ago, we're getting close.
    • Ravi 9 months ago
      I think DOW 10,000 will be the ultimate bottom, if we haven't already bottomed. People have known that the economy has been bad for quite some time and thus a correction was way overdue from that high runup, but I don't think there's any news that warrants a collapse. Plus, 10,000 had held as support several times in 2010, so I think when it reaches that level again, buyers who are waiting on the sidelines will once again percieve the market as cheap and step in and buy. What are your thoughts?
    • TimJ 9 months ago
      TS - Nice post - I'm on the same page with ya. Ravi - too early to tell we'll have to wait and see when we get there. It can easily blow through 10K like it was not there and move on to 9K.
  • Ed_B  •  9 months ago
    No, this does not look like a bottom to me. I've been investing for 35 years now and this market does not look like anything I've seen before. Too many damned computers trading at lightning speed these days. They are whipsawing the market so fast that no one knows where it is headed. Daily Dow 30 price swings of 400-500 points are somewhere north of ridiculous. I cashed out of this market on 7/5 and am thinking that this market will at least test the 10k level before it bottoms. Dividend paying blue chips, foreign stocks, bonds, and currencies from resource rich nations, select commodities, precious metals, and REITs look like the way to go for the foreseeable future.
  • J. R.  •  9 months ago
    Have we hit botton, YER [Rear-End]!! If U.S. home-mortgage "securities" could cause the Dow
    Jones to reach 6700, 3 years ago, a collapse of the entire European banking system ought to
    be good for a DJIA of 5000! My Daddy once taught me the only difference between banks and
    loan-sharks is that banks have nice buildings. Change "loan-sharks" to W****HOUSES if you
    want my "corollary" on Dad's thoughts!
    • Joeself 9 months ago
      Never so true either...Check out the interest rates on "consumer lending" from places like H&R Block. At least loan sharks don't try LOOK honest while they're robbing you! But the Republicans, staunch defenders of American values are trying to starve the new Consumer Credit agency of funding. GOP=Greediest Of People
    • Joeself 9 months ago
      So true. At least loan sharks have the decency and honesty to admit they're crooks! Check out 100+% rates on some payday-type loans! And the Republicans, staunch defenders of American values that they are, are trying to starve the new Consumer Credit protection agency of funding so they can't stop this stuff! Whose side are they on? Does GOP stand for Greediest Of People?
    • Joeself 9 months ago
      So true. At least loan sharks have the decency and honesty to admit they're crooks! Check out 100+% rates on some payday-type loans! And the Republicans, staunch defenders of American values that they are, are trying to starve the new Consumer Credit protection agency of funding so they can't stop this stuff! Whose side are they on? Does GOP stand for Greediest Of People?
  • Steve  •  9 months ago
    Washington has continued to lie to all of us. They are down playing the turmoil which is upon us far too long. The market will only go down from here, no amount of intervention is going to turn this monster around, It's too late. Wahsington could have prevented this slaughter, but instead the Republicans wanted to show all of us who is in control and as a result, we are here now.

    Senator Boehner, as you have stated in a recent interview, "We got 98 percent of what we wanted out of the deal" Well, you may have but in the end of the day. You and your gang of misfit Republicans lost your asses, because I sense that your days in office will soon come to an end in 2012. You are what's wrong with America. A puppet for the Tea Party and a heartless bonehead, idiot. I can't wait for the good people of our great nation to serve you your walking papers.

    As for you President Obama, you are a spineless puppet too. You have can't lead because you are trying to please everyone. Now you talk about cutting Medicare which my mother and countless seniors need for medical treatments. Who what a kick in the ass you delivered to all of your so-called Democratic friends. What happened to your speech about veto any bill that takes away from Medicare. I guess this is the CHANGE that you told us we all could believe in.

    I sure hope that the Democrats has someone else that I could vote for, because it sure aint you.
  • William O  •  9 months ago
    Agreed. It's heading down from here.
    BIG business has been bailed out. The rest of us - and that's most of us - are still having difficulty.
  • Mister Z  •  9 months ago
    I'd take any bottom right now..even Macke's.......
    • R 9 months ago
      wow, you must be really horny
    • Macke 9 months ago
      It IS a darn fine specimen.

      - Macke
    • Mister Z 9 months ago
      I know, your bottom is all over the internet...
  • Steven  •  9 months ago
    The country is bankrupt.......and the S@P was the only one to call the darn government on their thievery.
    • Joeself 9 months ago
      They would have a little more credibility if they had downgraded mortgage backed securities as fast as they downgraded U.S. debt. The Europeans have had it with our rating agencies after they gave AAA ratings to worthless investments and people lost their life savings. The country isn't bankrupt, just deeply in debt. And interestingly, it's more deeply in debt than ever and yet the most wealthy are doing better than ever. Coincidence?
  • an0n  •  9 months ago
    jeff, time for another purple crayon session soon?
  • NunYa B. Ness  •  9 months ago
    "Wall Street Tumbles 4%: Has the Market Hit Bottom?"

    No.
  • James Spizer  •  9 months ago
    I agree with Aharon Task the market has not hit bottom. There are just too many other indicators to point to a lower bottom, like the fact the volatility index is so high and that the S&P is closing in on that coveted 1100 point where afterwards all bets are off. Sure we'll see a few bounces, but my guess is that this thing is going lower, much more lower. http://www.benchmarkjournal.com/bottom-no-way
  • George  •  9 months ago
    Yup, we've hit a bottom. Just another 500+ loss today with banks leading the way down as we stare in the face of european bank insolvency mirroring sovereign insolvency.

    Who is kidding who - there is a long ride down ahead of us - the ride down that should have occurred in 2008 but was stopped by massive intervention. Problem is there is no massive intervention to be had this time.
  • Ragan  •  9 months ago
    Well it might pop up a little by people that are true gamblers thinking it maybe has hit close to bottom but I think with our debt not being addressed it still has a long way to go.
  • Hush, it's so secret  •  9 months ago
    Why you ask us? You're the expert, bright eyes.

    The monster known as the Creature from Jekyll Island, aka, the central bank, the FED, is the monster that has been unleashed upon the peaceful people of the United States.

    FED manipulation has resulted in millions of deaths of good humans, all in the name of greed.

    End the FED.

    No, the bottom has not been hit.
  • Good Glen  •  9 months ago
    Yes, of course we have hit bottom. Buy! Buy! Buy! I have some left to sell.
  • top hat  •  9 months ago
    I think the S & P will at least test 1000. The DOW will likely break 10,000 w/in the next week.
  • M  •  9 months ago
    Good article Jeff. Don't you think think that we are in for lower estimates going forward also? That is going to drive the 'P' lower when the 'E' heads south.
  • Jay Cross  •  9 months ago
    open the door recessions knockin!
  • James  •  9 months ago
    It usually takes a catalyst of some kind at a bottom. The only catalysts I see on the horizon are negative. I don't think a few good earnings reports are enough of a catalyst.

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