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Superstar Managers Don’t Mean Superstar Returns: Renowned Investor

Renowned investor Joel Greenblatt can't keep a secret.

The founder of Gotham Capital, the hedge fund he started in 1985 that produced 40 percent annualized returns under his 20-year tutelage, wants you to be rich. Very rich. And it doesn't mean pouring your hard-earned money into five-star rated funds or hiring talking head money managers (they are plenty of them on cable business channels). In Mr. Greenblatt's latest book, The Big Secret for the Small Investor, he decodes the secrets of Wall Street for the average investor and debunks the most common myths of investing.

What's the biggest secret revealed? "Investing comes down to valuing something and paying a big discount to that value," Greenblatt recently told Breakout. In his book, Greenblatt gives plenty of examples of how to determine a company's valuation with simplified numbers and mathematical equations. He strips away the grandeur and lays bare the basics of investing. Greenblatt sys investors should look for a basket of companies that appear undervalued, because winning big in the stock market means "figuring out what something is worth and paying a lot less." Of course, determining a company's value and future earnings can be very difficult, even for the most sophisticated and experienced money managers, Greenblatt admits.

Another secret Greenblatt divulges is that market-cap weighed indexes beat most active managers —- and all successful managers go through periods of underperformance. Therefore, investors should avoid chasing managers based on prior performance stats -- as we know, past performance does not guarantee future success. Historically speaking, Greenblatt said 70 percent of active managers have underperformed the market over the past 10 years and "odds are investors are not going to find that superstar manager." Believe it or not, retail investors and money managers really do compete on an equal playing field, he adds. The market is "very emotional," and to separate the emotion from the reward, Greenblatt recommends buying ETFs —- specifically Value Index ETFs.

Follow Greenblatt's advice and your portfolio could soon be well ahead of the markets and outperforming even the most eminent managers. Warren Buffett and Ben Graham made fortunes looking for value, and so can you.

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89 comments

  • George  •  1 year 1 month ago
    I've never made over $80K and have several million, none of it from inheritance. A few people here get it. I'd like to recap.

    Start now, no matter how much or how little or how late you think it is. The past is gone, the future can still be changed.

    Spend less than you earn.

    Know where the money goes and create a budget. If you don't know where the money goes each month, how can you control it?

    Don't pay to carry debt except for a house or car.

    NEVER go out on margin when investing.

    Become tax efficient with 401K, 203B, Roth IRA, etc.

    Buy 2 - 3 year old cars and let the other guy take the big depreciation hit.

    Don't invest in what you don't understand.

    Diversify - stocks, bonds, cash, commodities, REITS, etc.

    Keep a cash reserve for emergencies, keep some cash in your investment account to take advantage of opportunities as they arise.

    Buy low, sell high - take your emotions out of the game. Start to buy when everyone else says sell and sell when your taxi driver is telling you to buy.

    Be patient. It took 20 years for my first million. Then the miracle of compounding took over. Money makes money.

    Be generous. I was born with caring parents, good health, and a fairly good brain. Not everyone has those advantages.

    Spend some time and money to stay healthy.

    Don't forget to have fun - fun does not have to cost a fortune. Dinner with the family, play with the kids, go for a walk, make some friends - otherwise what's the point of it all? He who dies rich is still dead. I've been rich and I've been poor, money is not the most important thing in this life.

    Choose to be happy. You can't determine everything that happens to you in this life, but you can choose how you react.

    Good luck.
    • Justfor 1 year 1 month ago
      "Choose to be happy. You can't determine everything that happens to you in this life, but you can choose how you react."

      Best advise.
    • WD 1 year 1 month ago
      You forgot to add--don't get sick or hurt and have lousy health insurance. Medical bills are the second highest cause of bankruptcy in the US.
    • Tapati 1 year 1 month ago
      This is for George, you obviously have agood head on your shoulder, I just would like to add to your list ,dont be greedy.
  • palimpsest  •  1 year 1 month ago
    If you're not temperamentally able to be a value investor, that is, buying when others are selling, all the books in the world won't teach you how to be one.
    • RICHARDR 1 year 1 month ago
      You are so right. Some people should put their money in a matress and sleep on it. At least they wouldn't lose their minds over the periodic losses you are going to sustain in any market.
  • Jerry P  •  1 year 1 month ago
    Here is what my wife and I have done for the last 30 years and it's worked well for us.

    1. Maximize your 401k to the fullest extent of the company match.

    2. Have additional money taken directly from your paycheck into an investment account. Diversify your holdings and rebalance. Study investing, use stop losses and buy put protection to protect your downside risk.

    3. Pay off your credit cards each month.

    4. Buy only the house you need.

    5. Buy sensible cars. Few people really need a gas guzzling $50,000 SUV. Consider buying used, around two years old and plan on keeping for at least 10 years.

    We do not make a lot of money. It's not important what you make, it's important what you keep.
    • Matrix 1 year 1 month ago
      Jerry, I see you left out something. Did you have children? If you did, it's a lot harder to get rich unless there was help somewhere. With no help, most people have a hard enough time supporting the kids.
    • Peeple 1 year 1 month ago
      Matrix, Kids are as expensive as you make them. If kids were so expensive to raise, there wouldn't be so many in poor 3rd world countries. Stupid parents are expensive.

      I know, there are medical expenses and misc costs related to school and such, but the majority of money spent on kids by parents is for things the parents want and not what the kids need. From ages 0-5 there are free clothes nearly in every home that you can have and much of it has rarely been worn. People give away cribs, playpens, toys, you name it, you can get it. If you use formula, use powdered formula and mix it - Walmart is half the price of most and made in the same place as Nestle. Your kids don't need Nike, and food doesn't have to have cool shapes, colors, and brand names. Kids being costly is a bullsh*t excuse for all parents to spend frivolously and give stupid excuses. And don't get me started on college expenses, cars, housing, etc. The kids didn't force the parents to buy a brand new Lexus SUV (SUV's are an incredible waste anyway - buy a used minivan or station wagon), and they don't need new cars themselves. And you don't need a 4-bedroom 3200 sq ft house on 2 acres to raise a family of 4. That's what a parent wants for himself... not the child.

      Kudos to Jerry for pointing out some of the more obvious items.
    • steven 1 year 1 month ago
      jerry- GREAT advice!!.Especially about the house and cars.
  • Stephen C  •  1 year 1 month ago
    Simple Formula for getting rich:
    1. Make a good living in your job, profession, or business.
    2. Save a high percentage of your earnings and don't marry a spouse who likes to spend, spend, and spend some more.
    3. Don't carry any credit card debt or have a home equity line of credit.
    4. Make good safe, non-speculative investments in a Low Cost S & P Index Fund and/or Total Stock Market Index Fund, and High Quality diversified municipal bonds (not bond funds, but individual high quality munis) for fixed income . Avoid managed funds.
    5. Be tax efficient with your investments and personal affairs.
    • Retired 1 year 1 month ago
      I meant I saved a HUGE percentage of my earnings.
    • MiniMeLikesChocolate 1 year 1 month ago
      I love how you start off with first earn a lot of money. College tuition has gone up 4x faster than average salary for decades now.

      Simple Formula for getting rich:
      1. Don't have kids
      2. Don't have fun
      3. Live off of Ramen noodles
    • Breakingbrokers 1 year 1 month ago
      Credit card debt isn't bad if its 0%. Managed funds aren't bad if they out perform their index after fees. A lot of people have gotten rich off of speculation. To make a lot of money you have to take risk.
  • GetReal  •  1 year 1 month ago
    This guy is worse than Suze Orman. Get rich quick...yeah, right. I got rich slow. There are no secrets to getting rich quick except for the ones that get you thrown in jail.
    • JustBlaze 1 year 1 month ago
      @#$% straight
    • changeorbepoor 1 year 1 month ago
      Greenblatt is correct that a person can achieve great wealth by buying undervalued stocks, problem is most people won't put in the time necessary for learning and research and therefore won't make calculated risks on an investment that actually holds very little downside and exponential upside. It's just another way to think and most people don't realize that they have to change their thinking in order to be rich.
    • ktenreb 1 year 1 month ago
      If you read his book you will see he agrees with you; there is no legitimate way to get rich quick. I agree with you about Suze Orman, however. She offers nothing other than common sense.
  • jackie  •  1 year 1 month ago
    Best way to get rich. Write a book about how to gett rich and sell it to saps who don't want to do the work.
  • Adam Smith, Jr.  •  1 year 1 month ago
    Rules for Maintaining Wealth:

    1.) Everyone wants to steal your money
    2.) Everyone has an ulterior motive
    3.) By the time its in the press, it's too late
    4.) Don't believe brokerage stock ratings
    5.) Everyone who approaches you is out to royally screw you
    6.) Everything can go to $0
    7.) There is no "safe" investment
    8.) Hedge funds are betting against you
    9.) The House always wins
    10.) Don't buy it if you can't understand it
  • W.  •  1 year 1 month ago
    There is no free lunch. Becoming financially independent takes time, discipline, and perseverance. Rather than Greenblatt's book I recommend "Snowball" by Warren Buffet.
  • Otto  •  1 year 1 month ago
    Joe Kennedy got it right: the best way to make a small fortune on Wall Street is to start with a big one.
  • ya da ya da.  •  1 year 1 month ago
    And you say this guy is worse than Suzy Orman. Sounds like an impossibility to me.
  • A Yahoo! User  •  1 year 1 month ago
    Agree with Greenblatt, but it takes patience and knowledge of how to value a company. Most people don't, so they should index.

    He should add two things. 1) Keep some of your investment funds in cash equivelents, maybe 10%. 2) When the stock market tanks and everyone believes that the apocolypse is near, have the mentality of a kid in a candy store, and use said cash to buy extremely undervalued, good companies.
  • Anyone  •  1 year 1 month ago
    My secret to get rich: always buy low and sell high.
  • Justfor  •  1 year 1 month ago
    Living minimally is the key to happiness; no wonder some of the happiest people are not in the west, they are in the east or on some islands who are living minimally.

    The least you have, the less you have to worry.

    Keep checking "WANT" vs "NEED" each time.
  • A Yahoo! User  •  1 year 1 month ago
    No Suze Orman is the worst, she just repeats what others, like Dave Ramsey, have already figured out.
  • destiny  •  1 year 1 month ago
    I lost 70% of my life savings in the 2007 crash,I jumped out at the bottom,and tried to jump back in on aggressive investments to make up lost time,I'm 63 years old,lost the last 6000 dollars on PUDA Coal.Needless to say,this is not a strategy,but a disaster,to say the least.I wish you all good luck,but their is a flip side,I have slept better the last week,than I have since I was a kid and owned nothing in the market.
  • Tracy  •  1 year 1 month ago
    Well said Stephen C. One more suggestion for your list...
    Autos are and expense. Too many people think a car payment is a way of life. Get what you need, pay cash if not get it paid for and keep it that way. Put the car payment in your savings every month.
  • Stanhope B.  •  1 year 1 month ago
    I have followed this wisdom to financial success...Be fearful when others are greedy and be greedy when others are fearful. Somehow Buffet got credit for this truism but I have been using it for years and it has been true and simple.
  • Morpheous  •  1 year 1 month ago
    At least the author is up front about peddling some book, but you had to read the whole thing to find the usual steer to mutual funds (ETFs in this case).

    There is no formula strategy to make money in the market. The nature of the market and the circumstances affecting it change every day.
  • bear  •  1 year 1 month ago
    OK got it. Careful value oriented approach to stock picking combined with patience. If that doesn't work index and write a book.
  • Scott  •  1 year 1 month ago
    The title "How the average investor can make a fortune" is incorrect.

    By definition, the average will not be anything more than average.

    You must be much BETTER than average to make a fortune. Many will think they are. Most are not.

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