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    Believe It or Not Wall Street Doesn’t Dominate the Top 1%

    Is Occupy Wall Street targeting the wrong group?

    It turns out the finance sector only makes up 14% of the top 1% of American earners, says this CNN Money report. Executives in other industries make up more than 30% of America's richest cohort. Medical professionals compose close to 16% and lawyers are 8% of the top 1%.

    Meanwhile, no one is immune to the weak economy. The threshold to make it into the 1% club was over $424,00 in 2007. Today, it's $343,927. That's in large part due to the stock market crash. The number of bankers in the elite echelon might also shrink thanks to lousy earnings on Wall Street this year. Lots of bankers, traders and hedge fund managers will still take home big six figure paychecks, but for many it will likely be less than they earned the prior year. Bonuses on Wall Street may fall as much as 40% from a year ago, reports the Wall Street Journal.

    Don't expect any tears to be shed on their behalf. "Everyone is above average," Michelle Leder of footnoted.com tells Daniel Gross in the accompanying interview, referring to the huge sums of money still made on Wall Street. The average salary financial services employee in 2009 was $311,000, according to New York's Comptroller's office. Meanwhile, Leder says, even if the rank and file may earn less this year she's not expecting the top earners of CEO's of the major banks to take a big hit.

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    377 comments

    • A Yahoo! User  •  7 months ago
      @Robin - you got it wrong. Not 14% Finance professionals are in top 1%. The top1% is made of several professionals of whom Finance folks make up 14%.
      • A Yahoo! User 7 months ago
        Thank you. I tried to explain a Venn Diagram to Robin as a reply, but my comment vanished. Go figure. It was polite, factual, and informative...never mind.
      • A Yahoo! User 7 months ago
        That's exactly what it says, please read mroe carefully. The fact 6 people agreee with you is distrubing.
      • A Yahoo! User 7 months ago
        Talking about the *Finance Sector* in aggregate as the CNN report did is a deliberate red herring. The Finance Sector after all includes such unremarkably paid people as tax preparers and credit counselors. The OWS protesters have it exactly right. Average pay in the New York *Securities Industry* was just over $310,000 in 2009 down from over $400,000 in 2007. It has since risen to over $360,000 in 2010. Almost all of the people in the Finance Sector who are in the top 1% are working in the Securities Industry on Walls Street. and nearly 50% of them are in the top 1%.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  7 months ago
      I didn't see professional athletes or the hollywood elite on that list.
      • A Yahoo! User 7 months ago
        Part of the reason, I suspect, is because there aren't as many.

        Have you seen tens or hundreds of thousands of these celebrities? [Can you name even 1 thousand?] If you aren't very famous as an athlete or as a movie star, you likely aren't making that much. On the other hand, many doctors and lawyers we'll never know about do make a ton of money.
      • A Yahoo! User 7 months ago
        You dont hear about them because people like their movies and to watch the game Sunday afternoon. But they dont like their mortgages (bought something I could not afford) or the credit card fees (spent money I did not have). THe reason you dont here about occupy Silicon Valley is that people like to use Google and their IPhone and order things off of Amazon.com
      • A Yahoo! User 7 months ago
        And even the athletes that do make it to the pros aren't always rich. An average NFL player makes mid six figures for a 3 year career and then moves on to a lifetime of costly medical issues.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  7 months ago
      What do we care what the rich make or pay in taxes. We should only care about what we ourselves make and pay in taxes. Those things are determined by the policies our elected officials implement. This President is wrong putting one group of Americans against another group of Americans. Making it seem that if they did more everything would be fine. We could take all the money the rich have and it won't change a thing. When I look at a Banker I think they are rich. I am sure when my Gardner looks at me he thinks I am rich and someone unempolyed thinks he is well off. We don't make enough because we are taxed to much and charged too many fees. We pay to much for our energy use which filters down into everything else we pay for. We are spending hundreds of billions of dollars importing oil from countries that use the money to try and kill us. This is insanity. Start drilling for more oil and gas and digging for more coal here. Drive the cost of energy down and we all reap an instant stimulus by having more money to spend each month and it won't increase our debt. Let all energy sources compete on an equal footing and the market place will deliver the cheapest form to us. Lower our taxes and allow us to determine how we spend that money and sustainable jobs will be created. Elect representatives that start thinking of making a larger pie for us all to share in not trying to get a bigger piece of an ever shrinking one.
      • A Yahoo! User 7 months ago
        Here's why I care. Because I work at a job in which I'm paid $1,000 to produce a product that my employer ultimately makes $50,000 off of. Nor can I just start my own business to compete with my employer because the costs of entry to compete in their business are too high for the average person. So my employer is "redistributing" the wealth I've produced into his own pocket. I care what his tax rate is because he is exploiting me for profit as all employers in capitalist societies do. This exploitation is not necessarily evil in itself. (Don't try to put words into my mouth in this regard.) What matters is the kind and the extent of the exploitation. When executives are extracting so much for themselves and giving almost nothing in return to their employees the exploitation is too great. The taxation system can help rectify some of the inevitable social problems that result from this inequitable pay structure by creating social programs to help support the underpaid especially when they retire without enough money to care for themselves. Social Security and Medicare for instance are two of those programs. Taxes on the rich need to go up to help pay for social programs to care for the poor and middle class workers they exploit.
      • A Yahoo! User 7 months ago
        Oh please LK! If you have the brains and marketable idea you can become what you you despise. Of course then you couldnt sit around and whine about how unfair your life is.
      • A Yahoo! User 7 months ago
        LK is absolutely right. If those other people think that our current capitalist arrangement is so great, why don't they turn down their raises or benefits? Maybe they can work for 2$ an hour. After all, isn't that what they make overseas? These posters defending big business don't seem to get the idea of moderation. Sure, the CEOs need to make more than the average worker in their companies. But does he really need to make hundreds to thousands times more than his average worker?

        The fact that all of these businesses decided to divert almost all of their profits to the top of their companies is not an accident. They ALL chose to terminate employees, keep employee wages low, reduce our time off and health care benefits, and pass every insurance increase onto their employees. They have been doing it since the 70s. Wake up people!

        http://money.msn.com/investment-advice/ceos-got-a-big-raise-how-about-you-brush.aspx
    • A Yahoo! User  •  7 months ago
      Remember, median is not the same as average. For something like salary, most people will make less than average.
      • A Yahoo! User 7 months ago
        If your smart enough to get in the 1% you generally report your income as dividend income to avoid that pesky Medicare and Medicaid , Social Security taxes and Workers Comp and generate offsetting capital losses and depreciation to offset any gains, as Mr. Buffet and John Edwards have demonstrated in the past. Now we have a chance to get some longterm 20 year losses AKA Solyndra. Most people will continue to make less than average...as long as they are wage slaves!
      • A Yahoo! User 7 months ago
        -Half of all American workers now earn $505 or less per week. or around $26k per year. - That is a fact meaning that medium salary is +/- 26 K per year.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  7 months ago
      As I was listening to the radio while in the car, the person on the talk show gave the numbers
      of who are the 1% or millionaire etc. It was not surprising but it was Washington DC. I'm
      sure no one is surprised. Well all our politicians and aids and in government job &
      federal jobs are doing very well. They receive over 30% more than if working in private
      sector. I'm pretty sure everyone knows that is why anyone who goes to DC usually
      becomes a career politician. On the same show, it was brought up that insider
      trading is legal in DC. So Washington certainly will not want to level the playing
      field for you and I, but for themself, it is a perfect arrangement.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  7 months ago
      Reportable income is not the same as wealth. I can't tell if anyone in the media has a clue about wealth vs income, or earned vs unearned income. "Rich" would normally refer to wealth, but the whole world seems to think it focuses on income. Are people really this clueless? Let's first decide what we're talking about exactly, then talk about it.
      • A Yahoo! User 7 months ago
        "Are people really this clueless?"

        Yep.
      • A Yahoo! User 7 months ago
        In our capitalistic society, wage earners measure their "wealth" in terms of money because that is all they really know.

        It is a common misconception that people in general tend to think about wealth (purchasing power) and money as synonymous. The reason for this is that they use money directly in the exercise of purchasing.

        Q: Are you rich if you have $1 million?
        A: Not if a loan for bread cost $1 million.

        "Wealth" is not something that we teach in public schools.
      • A Yahoo! User 7 months ago
        The whole world doesn't think wealth = income. But in the context of "soak the rich", the rich being referred to are the top earners, not those with the highest net worth, because the soaking refers to taxes on income, not personal and real property taxes.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  7 months ago
      Add all those underpaid basketball players to the unemployment rolls...life is just so cruel.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  7 months ago
      The whole OWS thing is a joke - in my citythere is ONE person left occupying. No one knows what they are about. Crime and filth abound
    • A Yahoo! User  •  7 months ago
      I have no problem with exceptional people making exceptional amounts of money. I have a major problem with criminal people defrauding less-fortunate people out of their money. That starts with "well-meaning" politicians that push people into homes they can't afford, mortgate companies exploiting bad policies to extract huge sums of money from ill-informed investors, etc.

      Comparing people's incomes misses the point - look for fraud and prosecute! I'm still waiting for some justice. Hey Boston - would you PLEASE fire Barney Frank? What ever happened to Franklin Raines?
    • A Yahoo! User  •  7 months ago
      Am I the only one who doesn't know what "The average salary financial services employee" means? Do they mean "The average salary of a financial services employee?" If so, what in the world does that mean? Bank tellers don't average $300k. Please proofread first.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  7 months ago
      Strange that pro sports and hollywood types are not mentioned. Since 1999, 67 % of all NEW households making over $1,000,000 were involved in these 2 "businesses". And they contribute what to the welfare of the average American. ZERO.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  7 months ago
      That $311,000 average for the financial services industry sure seems high. There are a lot of sales assistants, compliance professionals, and support staff that are grossly underpaid working for the likes of Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, etc. These are the people that do all of the real work after your financial advisor sells you a bunch of high commission crap. Many of these people also get end of the year bonuses...but unlike the huge, six figure bonuses that are always portrayed, these people are just hoping for the $10-15k to supplement their income and payoff debt like the rest of us (full disclosure, I have a close relative in the industry...financial advisors and upper management are grossly overpaid, but the rank and file employees out working the branches that clients have contact with...vastly underpaid for what they do. There's a lot of pay discrepancies within the financial industry itself.) I heard a story of one sales assistant being caught stealing money...the firm didn't prosecute her because they didn't want the publicity that would result when people found out she was stealing to support her family because the firm didn't pay enough.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  7 months ago
      It took 30 yrs of 60 to 70 hr work wks to incidentally get into the top 1%. I started out with nothing and have worked for my children, society and a happy retirement with my spouse. I cannot be forced to work as hard as I do. If hard workers are singled out (profiled) for exhorbitant taxes they'll work less, produce less goods and services for society and pay less taxes. I refuse to be a slave whose burden disproportionately increases the harder she works. There are serious ramifications to income profiling...it's clear to see that repayment of our national debt will be undermined.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  7 months ago
      Why does OWS assume they represent 99% of the population? Who the hell came up with the arbitrary 99/1 divide? I may not be in the top 1%, but I am in the top 3% and OWS doesn't speak for me. And no, I am nowhere near the Finance industry.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  7 months ago
      LOL, none of the criminals have been jailed. In fact the criminals have been bailed out and given huge bonuses. Fraud and white collar criminal behavior pays!!!!
    • A Yahoo! User  •  7 months ago
      Yep, not so much fun protesting Dr offices and hospitals.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  7 months ago
      This is a misguided and misleading article. The OCCUPY movement is focused on corporate greed as a whole, of which Wall Street is the prime example. It is not focused only on the finance sector, as the article states. This article is mis-stating the facts.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  7 months ago
      The salaries of professional athletes and hollywood are much higher.

      This is what makes your cable bill so high! Lets protest them.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  7 months ago
      Whiners, crybabies, finger pointers and blamers! Americans should be accountable for their own choices and actions before they start demanding accountability for everyone else
    • A Yahoo! User  •  7 months ago
      Nick - thats the problem - Wall Street did not make it for the top 1%, THEY MADE IF FOR THEMSELVES - that is why they are the top 1%. If you took the entire wealth of the US and distributed it equally to the +/-300M citizens, inside of 5 years you would have a 1% that had "too much" all over again. While others would squander or waste theirs, these people would figure out how to thrive in the new setting. They would work harder and smarter than the average person, take risk those people were not willing to take, and PROFIT from it. DOnt hate them because they do things you can not.

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