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    Bill Gross Learns a Hard Lesson: Even the ‘Bond King’ Makes Mistakes

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    Nobody's perfect. Not even the "bond king" Bill Gross. The Pimco co-founder and manager of the $244 billion Total Return Fund tells the Financial Times betting against U.S. Treasuries was a mistake.

    The Total Return Fund sold all its U.S. Treasury holdings this winter thinking Treasuries were the "most overvalued" fixed income asset (as he told The Daily Ticker in March) and an improving economy would create inflation, thereby making the low-yielding debt less attractive. Gross tells the FT he erred by being too optimistic on the U.S. economy. "I get that it was my/our mistake in thinking that the US economy can chug along at 2 per cent real growth rates. It doesn't look like it can." Gross has been proven wrong and his fund has suffered. As of Monday, Pimco's flagship fund ranked 501th out of 589 bond funds in its category, says the FT.

    Gross was also burnt by the European sovereign debt crisis and a stock market sell off that drove investors into the safety of Treasuries; 10-year Treasury yields fell below 2% to record lows earlier this month.

    Gross still thinks his thesis holds true in the long-term. "Ten-year Treasuries at 2.25% are discounting a heap of trouble (none of it strangely enough due to its own credit standing), and neither investor nor borrower may emerge from this brouhaha unscathed," he writes in his latest missive on Pimco's Web site.

    But timing is everything when it comes to investing, as the Daily Ticker's Aaron Task and Henry Blodget discuss in the accompanying clip. You can be right about the premise and wrong about the investment at the same time. It also show just how hard investing can be; even the greatest investors get it wrong sometimes.

    Hedge fund billionaire John Paulson is also learning that lesson this year. Famous for shorting the housing market in 2008, a bet that netted him billions, Paulson then went long financials near the lows in 2009 and made more billions as stocks rocketed off the bottom. This year, however, Paulson has been hammered because he held onto those bank stocks too long and made other poor investments including Chinese timber company Sino-Forest, which has been rocked by an accounting scandal.

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    115 comments

    • J  •  8 months ago
      If I have to listen to you regurgitate what these DB on CNN say. All of them are schills and now they added Cramber back to the roster. Somebody please cut me.
    • Scott  •  8 months ago
      I credit Bill Gross for realizing that he is not only responsible for being right - he must be right at the right time.

      Similarly, Peter Schiff is almost certainly right about the coming monetary demise of the US Dollar. But he also advocated shorting US bonds and buying European stocks & bonds.

      Rule #1 of investing = preserve your capital.
    • Patrick  •  8 months ago
      Bill Gross's mistake was that he was too early. History will prove him right.
    • Reasonman  •  8 months ago
      Pauslon forgot the cardinal rule: DON'T FIGHT THE FED -- EVER!
      • Troy 8 months ago
        Paulsen made the mistake of betting with the Fed on BofA. Along with other financials.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  8 months ago
      Timing is everything? Gorenstein, you're a moron. Encouraging investors to focus on timing is dangerous, and certainly not a suitable strategy for a long-term investor (basically everyone that is not a day trader). That comment is irresponsible, but representative of the mindset of you and other financial "entertainers".
    • Sanjiv  •  8 months ago
      Anything can happen in the short term. I find it very difficult to be totally optimistic about future. Stocks will present another buying opportunity in future.
    • Max  •  8 months ago
      even these powerfule tribesmen make mistakes...
    • rich  •  8 months ago
      Markets are driven by future unknown news so anyone who thinks they know, doesn't.
    • John Q Galt  •  8 months ago
      What kind of Capitalist are you people? Who in their right mind buy 10 year Bonds that return only 2 percent a year? Hell; the natural inflation rate is around 3 percent and by purchasing bonds that yield only 2 percent you start off with a loss. Again, what kind of Capitalist are you? It is time to think rationally and do things that make sense. Stop following the leader and do what is in your own best interest. Gold had it's run up and now you are being taken for a ride. Have you heard of Pump and dump. Look at the charts and see what it looks like and then look at the chart for gold. Oil is trading the same way. Many of you are being set up like sheep waiting to be seared. When the world show this kind of ill rational behavior, it is easy for con men to take your money. In this case they are not taking anything; you are giving them your money. The Fed has done its job by lowering the interest rate to boost liquidity. Now it is up to each and every investor to look for investments that give a real return. Banks are not doing their part by making cash available, but there are other sources of cash out there. Use it. For you long term bond holders that just bought 2 percent bonds. How much are you going to have to lose to get out of this investment when the economy turns around? At what price will you be able to sale your bonds just to get into a half way decent investment? That time is quickly approaching.
      • deanp 8 months ago
        It is a lot better than loosing you ass in the stock market!
    • frankmargel.com  •  8 months ago
      I make mistakes too... Tears! NEXT!
    • TravisW  •  8 months ago
      Wow. Craig, a little racist, don't you think? Anyhow, back to the article, It is most likely way to early to tell if he is wrong or not. If investor fear ever subsides, interest rates will go up substantially and he will be proven right.
      • Joey 8 months ago
        Muslim isn't a race.
    • Tom  •  8 months ago
      Think about all the financial geniuses who guessed wrong with Madoff's ponzi scheme.
    • Craig  •  8 months ago
      Gross has been wrong countless times..He and his Muslim partner should be hanged for treason.
      A CNBC scammer, that's it !
    • One Nation Underwater  •  8 months ago
      He is Gross!
    • The_Mick  •  8 months ago
      Are readers supposed to be amazed that "even" a top investor is "not perfect"? Think about the mentality behind this article's theme and it is a tremendous insult to readers.
    • oh well  •  8 months ago
      Why Bill Gross was wrong. He forgot that this is economic behavior acting out. It is not just a financial crisis brought on by sub-prime. Anotherwards, given that debt has compared to that of GDP at 100 percent and household debt at 90 pecent meant that people needed to save more and pay down debt and that would hinder economic growth. Everyone nearly so missed the boat with exception. And thias to your thinking: that between 1965 and 1995 the
      GDP aveaged only 2;9 percent so think about this.....is it not plausable tyhat we would see less growth now with all the debt etc. This factors also for world exports and world trade that was more probably now with emerghing markets. But they understand that
      deflation would be around longer. The Japanese dealt with it years ago.
      • STEVE 8 months ago
        This is an English speaking board.
    • TH  •  8 months ago
      they got to him -------THEY------GOT-----TO-----HIM , call it what you want
    • TLMF  •  8 months ago
      Henry, Aaron,

      Please give me your definition of "Gambling"! Because apparently that's something different than what you just talked about.
      • A Yahoo! User 8 months ago
        Henry Aaron?
        He was one of my idols growing up.
      • TLMF 8 months ago
        Apparently you didn't notice the comma that separated the two names.
      • A Yahoo! User 8 months ago
        I did, but why deprive myself?
    • A Yahoo! User  •  8 months ago
      I made a mistake once too, just can't remember when.
    • Doug Morgan  •  8 months ago
      I inveted my 401k in a bond fund that listed treasuries as one of its holdings because I KNEW everyone was wrong about the economy. even in doing that I now learn that what I was told was incorrect and I never invested in treasuries.

      If anyone thinks Gross made a "mistake", they need to talk to the lucky people he sold to. That would probably be his closest friends and relatives if I had to guess.

      This is incredible. Someone needs to pay for this fraud.

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