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    Debt Ceiling Deadlock: Why the Markets Don’t Seem to Care

    The U.S. is inching closer to default, and in Washington the two sides are digging trenches whose depths rival the Mariana Trench. And yet the markets don't seem to care.

    Over the weekend, both President Obama and House Speaker John Boehner insisted a deal needed to be completed before the Asian markets opened on Sunday afternoon New York time. Of course, the Asian markets greeted the lack of resolution with a collective shrug, as did the U.S. markets. On Monday, things only got worse, with a day of backbiting culminating in dueling prime-time speeches. And yet on Tuesday morning in New York, stock futures were up (although the market open mixed, with the Dow dragging close to 50 points) and the 10-year bond was trading at 3.00. Does that look like an impending crisis to you?

    Many of my colleagues in the financial-political press seem to think we are about to see a repeat of the fall of 2008. Back then, amid market turmoil, the first Congressional vote on the TARP failed. But the horrific market reaction forced Congress to swiftly reconsider. The conventional wisdom holds that market turmoil forced Congress and the White House to bite the bullet and pass necessary, unpopular legislation. The presumption today is that only such market forces —- carnage in the bond market, a crash in the stock market, the hammer of a a credit agency downgrade -- will make Democrats and Republicans come together and strike a deal.

    Don't hold your breath.

    We're not supposed to say that it is different this time, but it is different this time. The 'markets,' to the degree that they have a mind, seem not to be too troubled by the debt-ceiling brinksmanship. Back in the 1990s, the common notion in Washington, popularized by Clinton adviser Robert Rubin and Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, was that the bond market is like a crowd at a Roman gladiator match, signaling approval or disapproval of fiscal policy on a daily basis. But it clearly no longer serves that function.

    Despite the hand-wringing about American decline and the constant refrain that the U.S. is the next Greece, the bond markets remain remarkably permissive. The U.S. government is currently borrowing for 10 years at almost exactly 3 percent, an extraordinarily low rate that is within spitting distance of a historic low. Look at the chart from the past six months. The Federal Reserve has stopped buying bonds, the political stalemate has worsened, inflation hasn't disappeared. And yet interest rates are contained. Why? As John Tamny and I discuss in the accompanying video, nobody really believes the U.S. government is going to default, even if it pierces the debt ceiling next week.

    Nobody believes that the 10-year and 30-year bonds are not money good — i.e. they won't be paid off on time. This is emphatically not like the Lehman Brothers situation, when the world woke up one Monday and realized that $650 billion in debt was likely to be settled for pennies on the dollar. The government has revenues, and it has plenty of other people to stiff before it stiffs bondholders. In a time of turmoil and crisis, even when the crisis is over whether the government will pay its debts, the U.S. Treasury market is a safe haven. So don't look for it to be the fiscal enforcer.

    As for the credit ratings, again, don't hold your breath. It would be an exceedingly bold move for S&P and Moody's to downgrade the U.S. sovereign credit rating. And, generally, these firms only act on sovereign credits after the market has made them look like chumps by driving up interest rates. If there has been a time in history when S&P downgraded a sovereign credit that was borrowing for 10 years at 3 percent, I'm not aware of it. Despite their desire to get ahead of the curve, the ratings agencies won't act until well after the market does.

    (Note: the previous paragraph contained an error. As a few astute readers, including Paul Krugman of the New York Times have noted, Japan was downgraded in 2002 . And at the time its ten-year bond was yielding well under 3 percent.)

    What about the stock markets? Here, too, people hoping that a swift downdraft will spur action are likely to be disappointed. It's an enduring truism that the Dow and S&P 500, and indeed the global markets, are some barometer of opinion about how the U.S. is doing. That made sense in the late 1990s, when the U.S. represented about one-third of the global economy and its stock markets represented about 50 percent of global stock market capitalization.

    While the U.S. is still the world's largest economy, global markets don't care so much about what happens here as they used to. Assuming the debt brinksmanship leads to a slowdown in U.S. growth, it won't put much of a crimp in Asian stock markets. The U.S. today is about 25 or 26 percent of the global economy and, more important, accounts for only a small sliver of the world's growth. As the rest of the world trades more with each other and less with the U.S., America has less ability to impact the trajectory of global growth. And if you believe the markets are rational and constantly factor in known data, well, sluggish U.S. growth and political dysfunction aren't exactly news.

    Perhaps it is more surprising that the U.S. stock market has held up well in the face of this brinksmanship. And indeed, it's more likely that effects of a stalemate would be felt in the stock market than the bond market. Why? Huge deficit cuts, and a suspension of delay in the payment of salaries, benefits and entitlements would contribute to a demand shock, slowing growth (good for bonds, bad for stocks.) It could be that stock investors aren't watching cable news 24/7. But here, again, there's a sense that Washington, and even the U.S. economy, matters less and less with each passing day. Consider this: The typical member of the S&P 500 already gets about half of its revenues (and probably most or all of its growth) from overseas. The bigger the company, the less tethered to the U.S. Consider Intel, McDonald's, Coca-Cola, Apple; their earnings reports show that they are being driven by growth overseas.

    If Washington is going to act on the debt ceiling and the long-term deficit, it will have to do so out of its own volition and sense of responsibility —- and not because of the savage demands of the credit and stock markets. Get ready for a few more weeks of brinksmanship.

    Daniel Gross is economics editor at Yahoo! Finance.

    Email him at grossdaniel11@yahoo.com; follow him on Twitter @grossdm.

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    606 comments

    • Rusty Shackleford  •  10 months ago
      last minute deal and all the politicians will get in front of the camera and spew the glory that is themselves.
      • monsterzero 10 months ago
        no only owebama will
      • x10 10 months ago
        There it is again. Obama. Who taught you to spell? People keep developing all these childish variants of Obama, as if they hold some clever criticism that is unarguable. Rather vapid, really
      • William 10 months ago
        They'll get in fromt of the cameras with their ties off, and maybe sleeves partly rolled up. Will convince me they worked very hard on this.
    • MikeM  •  10 months ago
      This is True, the world does not care any more as much as they used to. India and China are not doing business with United States only. They are actually where United States is not. I totally agree with this analysis...
    • JustTheFactsPlease  •  10 months ago
      "Debt Ceiling Deadlock: Why the Markets Don’t Seem to Care"

      They don't seem to care because they know this is a pseudo-crisis fabricated and engineered by politicians jockeying for power and influence powered by greed and corruption. Put some serious thought into the next voteing you do for leadership in Washington.
      • Jeff Stront 10 months ago
        "Capitol Circus" The most expensive show on earth ... and it is not even funny!
      • Peter 10 months ago
        Obama needs the money to fund Obamacare.
      • Jay 10 months ago
        Leadership in Washington? Did you really say that? Leadership? My goodness, someone still has high expectations!
    • Big John 555  •  10 months ago
      An experiment. Go to the bank, and explain the following to the loan officer: 1) Your annual expenses have exceeded your annual income for the last 50 years or so. 2) You have a good credit rating because you have always paid the interest due on your debts. 3) You have now maxed out all your credit cards. 4) You would like to get and increase in the credit limit of your credit card so that you can borrow more money to pay the current interest due.
      • Raymond 10 months ago
        Exactly!
      • WilliamS 10 months ago
        Government: Live within your means. If you need more means, you had better have a very good explanation.
      • reader 10 months ago
        Or, perhaps, more income?
    • big D  •  10 months ago
      Who Elected these idiots to represent us?Let's get this straight, the debt ceiling was raised 17 times by Reagan, 5 times by Bush Sr, 4 times by Clinton, and 7 Times by Bush Jr, but now all the sudden its Armageddon if it is not raised again...We need to understand that these scare tactics and diversions away from the real problems that we are facing have nothing to do with the debt ceiling and everything to do with incompetent leadership. These #$%$ representing us have no interest in normal people that just want to live their lives peacefully, they are the slaves of greed and corruption and should all be put on welfare for a while to see how they cope with real adversity...
      • Hedley Lamar 10 months ago
        We can raise the debt. Why can't we cut back on spending?
      • Robert C 10 months ago
        "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."

        Then Senator Obama on raising the debt ceiling to 9 trillion. March 20, 2006
      • * 10 months ago
        Robert C, that might be the first honest thing he has ever said.
    • Dennis  •  10 months ago
      Looking back...
      How are we really better off because of banking bailouts?
      Where would our economy be now if TARP never happened in 2008?
      Our dollars would be worth more because of less inflation, oil would be cheaper (since it's priced in dollars). Housing would have been in the dumper, but it is anyway in 2011.
      Was TARP a mistake?
      • joshc 10 months ago
        it was.
      • CrazyRey 10 months ago
        Of course we'll never know. My sense is that TARP helped to avoid a much deeper shorter recession but we pay the price for a much longer and slower recovery because of it.
      • joshc 10 months ago
        "much longer and slower recovery " we are in for that anyways. its going to take 10 plus years to get unemployment under control.
    • D  •  10 months ago
      The market didn't care either in October 2007 when all sorts of warning bells were ringing. The Dow hit a record high. So don't look to the market as a barometer of common sense.
    • Herman Delatrio  •  10 months ago
      It probably is a big comedy to gain political support. Why pay attention to it ?
    • Interesting times  •  10 months ago
      Market doesn't care because there's still a bunch of printed money in the system. The banks are holding onto the bailout money and investing it in the market. Why loan it out at 4.25% interest locking it in for 30 years, when you could pump it into the system and get 20-30% returns? Also, it's not even their money, so why not gamble with it. When interest rates increase and loans become profitable again they'll release some of the money to us. Problem with that is once $17 trillion hits the streets we may run into inflation issues.

      I still don't see why so many people don't see the underlying problem with what's going on. The stock market isn't a stand alone entity that isn't effected by economic conditions. We have the US and European debt crisis, increasing US un and under employment, housing market continues to decline, commercial real estate dramatically declining, and a monetary policy that is the loosest it's ever been in history. Short term the market has gone up, but you can't keep running a country, business, or individual on just credit and debt. There's no doubt that there will be some sort of compromise to raise the debt ceiling, but it's just slapping a bandaid on an arterial bleed. If government spending doesn't decrease and we can't get our citizens back to work in good paying jobs there will be no true recovery. The government and Federal Reserve can only print so much money before collapsing the system and currency.

      It's funny because all of the guys posting that everyone who's being cautious are losers and they're getting rich in the market right now. If your making 20% on your few hundred thousand dollar portfolio it's chump change compared to what the Federal Reserve Bankers are making off of all of the printed money. We're talking about billions of dollars and record profits because you and I can't print money and charge an interest rate on it. They also get to play with the funny money in the market, so it makes our returns chump change. Also, the long term impact of when this money hits the streets and inflation increases our dollars are going to buy a lot less. Look what happened to Germany, Rome, Russia, France, and most recently Zimbabwe. How long will the credit agencies, China, Japan, and others who own our bonds allow us to pay our debt with newly printed money? We have no free market anymore, where the market is based off of fundamental performance of the companies. It's run by the bankers who will short their position when the time is right and you and I will be left holding empty bags. Happened in 07' & 08' when they shorted all of the subprime mortgage securities that were suppose to be Triple A rated. Fortunately, I got out when the market was at 13500 and got back in over the last two years. I'm out!!! Take my fake gains and walk away from this craps table..
    • A Yahoo! User  •  10 months ago
      because banks know they'll get bailed out anyway.
    • Newt Gingrinch  •  10 months ago
      "If there has been a time in history when S&P downgraded a sovereign credit that was borrowing for 10 years at 3 percent"

      Japan, you fool.
    • spicee2236  •  10 months ago
      Moodys and S&P didn't downgrade anything until economy was knee deep in chit. If Moodys and S&P had any balls, US credit rating would be down graded based on the current economic path.
    • Me  •  10 months ago
      As the world watches on we must appear as the laughing stock. Dial back the clock to Acient Rome. Does all this sound familiar? Arguments in the senate and the decline of a once powerful nation? Hmmmmmmm. He who is ignorant of the past is condemmed to repeat it.
    • Tiki Joe  •  10 months ago
      It's all crap to scare the public. The market is a joke!
    • Gary  •  10 months ago
      There are few qualified polticians with business experience to vote for. Most of them represent 'wacko' views that are skewed to the far left or far right socially, or that inject relgion into politics. As a result, only incompetent morons with their heads up their . . . are in office. They aren't trying to make things work, improve our economy, or generate growth or jobs because they do not know how, or even care.
    • RH  •  10 months ago
      Wall St doesn't care because when you have RIGGED the market, 'outside forces' have little or no impact.
    • Cpt Insano  •  10 months ago
      We will have a deal on Wed just to prove to people politicians and media are using scare tactics. We were in "default" for 6 months in 1995 and and let me see oh yes the world didn't end. Social security checks went out like clock work (sorry Obama would have to force the govt to stop the checks) There are a few people that will have issues because filing problems changes of address, account change because there will not be people to process the changes.
    • wadudem  •  10 months ago
      The markets don't care because the market is not tied to any economic realities. It's stictly a ponzi market feed by liquidity.
    • joe  •  10 months ago
      Wonder how much the spread is on credit default swaps on U.S. Treasuries are right now?? Anyone have any information on this? I'm curious about who's shorting our debt??
    • A Yahoo! User  •  10 months ago
      Wall Street knows that this is just a fabricated crisis by the GOP to hold the nation hostage in order to get a little more for the top 2%...they know the Govt wont default...they also know the GOP would like to pull this same gag on the American people every 4-6 months.

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