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    Europe on Edge: What Happens in Greece Will NOT Stay in Greece, Minton Beddoes Says

    On the eve of the Greek Parliament's critical vote on austerity measures, ECB President Jean-Claude Trichet stressed the need "to develop a renewed vision of the kind of Europe we want and indeed need," Bloomberg reports.

    In case it isn't already clear, what's happening in Greece has ramifications for the broader European Union --- and quite possibly the entire global economy. Financial markets rallied Tuesday ahead of the Greek vote but huge questions remain about "where, in a strategic way, the Europeans are going with their project…of European integration," says Zanny Minton Beddoes, economics editor at The Economist.

    Amid serious discussion by "serious" people about whether Greece should drop the euro, Minton Beddoes notes it's not so simple as an old-fashioned currency devaluation. Greece dropping the euro — either voluntarily or by force — would represent a "rupturing" of the single currency and spur a "rethink about the safety of debt in Europe," she says. That, in turn, would have "knock-on effects" for Ireland, Portugal and, quite possible, Spain and Italy.

    While fear of financial contagion spreading from Greece to Spain is a more acute concern to most observers, including Minton Beddoes, yields on Italy's 10-year debt reached the highest level in nearly three years Tuesday. Meanwhile, shares of Italian banks have remained under pressure since Moody's warning about possible downgrades last week.

    The good news is Minton Beddoes does not believe a Lehman-like financial panic is likely to result from the Greek saga, assuming the austerity measures pass; results of the voting are expected Wednesday morning around 7 a.m. EDT. (See: Huge Uncertainty Over Greece: EU "Nuts Not to Have a 'Plan B,'" Minton Beddoes Says )

    This relatively optimistic view is based on her belief that the real issues with Lehman — the interconnected nature of its operation and the "huge opacity" over the value of its assets are not present in the Greek situation. With Greece, there is one main assets — sovereign debt — and it's "much clearer who owns it," she says.

    Still, "even without that [Lehman-like] cataclysm, you can have this spiraling of panic [which] doesn't have to have a rationale basis," Minton Beddoes warns. (See: Shades of 2008: A Greek Default Won't Be 'Contained', John Mauldin Says)

    The risk of "Lehman-like parallels" -- Fitch estimates U.S. money market funds have $800 billion of exposure to European banks as of May 31 -- explains why the former IMF economist is disappointed with European policymakers for talking a big game about trying to hold the EU together "but doing it in tiny, itsy-bitsy steps."

    One way or another, Europe is going to take a big step on Wednesday toward some uncertain future, and the whole world will be watching, anxiously. Stay tuned for additional coverage.

    Aaron Task is the host of The Daily Ticker. You can follow him on Twitter at @atask or email him at altask@yahoo.com

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    34 comments

    • Competitive Free Enterpri ...  •  10 months ago
      To pay you debt you must have a surplus. They, like the USA, can't even balance their budget. In the US we have a discipline: debt limit. Only we raise it when we hit the limit. Try that with AMEX or Visa. There is no way these countries are ever going to get the money to pay off their debts. They have kicked the can down the street for decades and now they hit a cul de sac.
    • b  •  10 months ago
      When the good times were rolling for the Western world in the 1990's we never bothered to save for a rainy day, nor did we make sure that investments were going to productive areas of our economy that would generate long term economic growth.

      Instead the West borrowed and bought endless useless trinkets. The west couldn't even balance its budget at the height of its economic power, how is it supposed to now that it is reeling?
    • vick  •  10 months ago
      malakies

      Eventually they will defualt, how long can you pay loans with loans?? The greek people will be better of if they go back to the Drahma
    • Rock Solid Truth  •  10 months ago
      Hey Greek people........we will now give you a loan so you can pay off your old loans with the new one.....and in exchange.......we will destroy all your cotton gins so your economy will fail and you won't be able to pay the new loan and then we can blame you for the failure.....and you will become our new slaves. So much for inventing democracy.
      Very novel East India Company idea.
    • Pop U. List  •  10 months ago
      DEVALUATION using a UNIQUE GREEK CURRENCY is the ANSWER.
      1) It will lead to more exports
      2) It will lead to more tourists
      3) It will reduce imports
      4) It will let Greek workers escape the clamps of endless austerity.

      Look at Argentina and Iceland.

      Bankers are full of cra*. So self-serving. They want to control the people.
      Devaluation returns sovereignty to the people of Greece.

      Ireland, Italy, Spain and Portugal may well decide the same thing.

      Better to let Germany-France-Germany work things out financially I agree
      than another war. But Greece did not attack anyone. Their partisans
      were very brave. The Greek people deserve our support.
      • Gerhard 10 months ago
        The rest of Europe is irrate enough that they are lending money to Greece, how popular do you think Greece is going to be when they find out that they are not even getting their money back? Reality is if Greece defaults and leaves the EU currencies it is going to turn into a 3rd world backwater and this idea that people will flock there to vacation is utter non-sense.
      • Disgusted 10 months ago
        Banks lent money to undeserving govts and people.

        And they thought they are so intelligent coming from the best universities.

        And the democrats and republicans thought they are so smart by allowing private business to continue to lend. Many smart people in govt actually wanted to stop the political will to continue the easy money and easy lending. But guess what the top govt officials would not rock the boat and neither would the business people.

        We get screwed because we hold onto paper money which they control its value. Control the money and you can control the people.

        This one world govt controlled by central bankers will collapse. They cant seem to control their greed. Wealthy people have gotten richer and the middle class has gotten poorer.

        No new taxes for the wealthy ?

        I am waiting for the demise of this country. No jobs and fewer jobs means more on govt assistance.

        Ship the jobs overseas so the US govt cant control the business leaders. Our govt and top business leaders have conspired to make us more poor.

        When will we wake up
      • SammyDarlin 10 months ago
        Good post, Pop U. List
        They do need to have their own currency, devalue that currency, and start to rebuild.
        But, the people also have to realize that you can't retire at age 50, and they are going to have to increase their Revenues (just as we are going to have to increase our Revenues).
    • B. C.  •  10 months ago
      Good! Maybe we can start anew without the yoke of bankster greed. Hopefully all central banks around the world go bust - along with the too corrupt to jail.

      END THE FED!!!
    • Norm  •  10 months ago
      People are missing the point if you believe that the civil unrest in countries like Greece is about programs like Fannie and Freddie. Most of the people involved in civil unrest throughout the world are intelligent, middle class people who are denied their rightful place in societies. It is mostly about holding people down with government policy. The type of policy which is anti-democratic involves arbitrary standards, certifications, rules, fees, taxes, suppression of individual liberty, denial of access to proper levels of education, denial of proper teaching credentials, suppression of speech, suppression of the press and similar limits on human expression.

      Can it happen here? Absolutely. We are heading in the same direction by the lack of fair employment opportunity, academic policies, state and federal government policies, Internet access rules, limiting access to twitter or facebook, demanding people use twitter or facebook when they don't wish to do so, required passwords and log ins for access and so foth.

      Any actions that limit the potential of human beings by showing favoritism to any group of people over another causes civil unrest.
      • Tim 10 months ago
        Is the government to be blamed for everything going on in Greece, and will be in US in the near future? How about self decipline of their people? You can borrow and spend only for so long. When suckers realize that they will not get their money back nobody will lend you money anymore. Where are you going to find money to satisfy your spneding binge then? Riot, or revolution will not get you money. communism can confiscate assets from "riches" to redistribute, but cannot create the wealth!
    • Clarice  •  10 months ago
      Watching our elected officals squable over our country's debt is like watching a dog chase his tail. Lots of action and noise but no results. No one can get in debt over their head and expect to borrow more money to pay that debt or have their credit limit raised to help them save face.
      • joe 10 months ago
        Sure they can, we're doing it now. Just print more money and the tax payer picks up the tab either through inflation and/or through the cost of acquiring the newly miinted money from The Fed reserve.
    • Common Sense  •  10 months ago
      Higher debt is not the solution to Greece's excessive debt. It cannot afford higher debt. Perhaps the French and Germans should give Greece what it needs to repair its finances. Do I hear foreign aid? Greece needs a hand-out not a bail-out.
    • SammyDarlin  •  10 months ago
      Here's one of the REAL ISSUES with our wonderful Republican Party:
      Eric Cantor is Short Bonds, as he is supposedly negotiating to keep the U.S. from defaultng, and of course if he can make sure they do, he makes a fortune.
      What would happen if you or I did this?
      • Pop U. List 10 months ago
        Proof please. I would like to publicize this.
      • James 10 months ago
        What about Hillary Clinton's 100K she made in the stock market a few years back with just a small investment? That was obvious bribery but was never looked into.
      • Actuarial 10 months ago
        The Clintons have a lot more skeletons in their closets. Just have to give a good reason to call for closer look, which the democrats/liberals are very unwilling to....
    • Joe  •  10 months ago
      "The west couldn't even balance its budget at the height of its economic power, ..." Not quite true. Clinton actually had the US budget in SURPLUS, before Bush came in a squandered it all away.
      • DanU 10 months ago
        That is true. Although our current president makes Mr Bush the Younger look like a rank amateur when it comes to squandering.
    • Kirk  •  10 months ago
      sad part is everyone could retire at 50. Only the bankers yolk causes otherwise. They dont want you to have savings , if they did they would pay you more to use it, they make much more money with you being in debt, trading future labor , to pay interest. so if you didnt have to pay the interest the future labor would be optional.

      the Fed subsidizes cheap money at huge leverage to deposits, so the banks could care less about the little guys savings. thier primary goal is to make high risk, too big to fail loans, and just pass the risk on to the little guy via the FED ,US Congress and administration.
    • voodoo psychic  •  10 months ago
      Politicians will make it all sound good regardless.
    • Ramon Leigh  •  10 months ago
      Once again, the Socialists argue that Greece must be paid off otherwise their tiny economy will destroy the world. Crappy argument and pathetic threat. Sounds like something a union would dream up.
    • Johnny Vegas  •  10 months ago
      Quick!!! Someone buy Zanny Minton Beddoes a chesse burger. It looks like the woman is starving to death.
    • Dumb Dog  •  10 months ago
      Why do they trot people like this woman out? She has no clue. No no knows who owns the CDS on this debt. A so guess what the big players will do? Get out of all who could be on the hook for highly leveraged CDS and bonds.
    • Patriot Alice  •  10 months ago
      UNINSURED by anything or anyone..... 584 TRILLION DOLLAR CREDIT SWAPS (DERIVATIVES)... When this house of cards comes crashing down, nothing will stop it.....Is that is why everyone is To big To Fail?....How is the world going to survive such a large loss? Uninsured investments evaporated into nothing overnight? That could make your foreclosed house seem like a blessing....
    • Matt Swimm  •  10 months ago
      What's happening in Greece won't even stay in Europe, thanks to all of those credit default swaps. It'll end up all over the globe if the politicians don't grow a pair - and fast....

      Banking debt does not equal sovereign debt. Let the speculators fail.
    • MaRiA  •  10 months ago
      If Greece got the money from Germany for ww1 n ww2 which was never paid for the destruction caused then wuallaaaaaaaaaaaa ....no defecit!!
    • Just Slightly INSANE  •  10 months ago
      Just buying time, that's it. Give the "cheaters" and "mooches" a way to shove it down taxpayers throats. Dealing with "problems" is best doing it right away .... not a prolonged protracted event.
      The problem is that they have to fix alot more than Greece. The USA, under the BO will make sure that everybody goes down the crapper!

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