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Fact or Fiction: Is the Consumer Back?

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The reports are in and both Black Friday and Cyber Monday sales are up — way up over 2010 estimates.

Retail sales for Thanksgiving weekend jumped 16% to a record $52.4 billion, according to the National Retail Federation (NRF). And Cyber Monday online sales were up 33% to a record $1.03 billion, according to Coremetrics. (See: Black Friday Sales Break Records; Is Consumer Spending Sustainable?)

To top off those stronger-than-expected forecasts, consumer confidence for November surprised to the upside on Tuesday to levels not seen since July.

But in light of continued high unemployment and uncertainty over the U.S. and European political system, is consumer strength really as strong as it appears to be? That's the topic of debate between Yahoo! Breakout's Jeff Macke and Fusion IQ's Barry Ritholtz.

Fact or Fiction: Is the Consumer Back?

"This is an annual fiction," says Ritholtz, also the author of The Big Picture blog, of the NRF's Thanksgiving sales figures, which are based primarily off consumer surveys. "The data always comes out no where near as aggressive as the early releases are."

In a recent blog post Ritholtz wrote:

No, retail sales did not climb 16%. Surveys where people forecast their own future spending are, as we have seen repeatedly in the past, pretty much worthless.

We actually have no idea just yet as to whether, and exactly how much, sales climbed. The data simply is not in yet. The most you can accurately say is according to some foot traffic measurements, more people appeared to be in stores on Black Friday 2011 than in 2010.

Macke, on the other hand, may not take this data as "gospel" but does give a lot of credence to the fact the all the data of late has trended toward the positive direction. Not only has the data been better than expected, but it has been stronger than last year. Plus, he points to recent retail earnings from Wal-mart, Tiffany and especially Target, which also came in better than expected. (See: The Consumer: Better Than Feared, but Still Struggling)

"I think they are enthusiastic," he says of the consumer. "I take increased sales, I take nice foot traffic, [and] I see Cyber Monday rolling in huge as a sign that people actually like to shop and that they have some disposable income."

For Macke, the annual fact for the holiday shopping season is that the consumer is usually left for dead, only to surprise by just how much Americans truly do love to get out and shop.

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40 comments

  • John  •  2 months ago
    FICTION: Consumers have drawn down their savings by over 2% to achieve this. This cannot last and will inevitably be reflected in 1Q12 GDP.
  • Stan  •  2 months ago
    Wait till the bill come due, and then we'll hear, if it's fact or fiction.
  • DRD  •  2 months ago
    the only reason sales are up is because prices are way up if you sell 500 items for a dollar you get 500 dollars if you increase the price to 2 dollars you only have to sell 250 to make same 500 they are not selling more products they are just charging more and telling you every thing is great also dont for get the population goes up every year
  • 11  •  2 months ago
    Bet the 10% unemployed wish they were back.
  • Donald Smith  •  2 months ago
    How many ads per day is the american consumber exposed to? 100, 200, 1000? Don't know, but he's wound up and programmmed to buy until that plastic card is taken from his cold dead hand.
  • Yahoos servers, enough to ...  •  2 months ago
    and to boot, a consumer confidence index of 56 is still 7 points below the lows of any previous recession. not hardly a big shining star, in fact, not a star at all.
  • Billy  •  2 months ago
    everybody is paying with a credit card which they can't pay back.watch for a credit card bubble next to crash the markets.
  • 5th Horseman  •  2 months ago
    Let's see... are the jobs back? NO!
  • Zeta Reticuli  •  2 months ago
    Income is down. This must all be on credit cards. This is bad news, not good news.
  • tom  •  2 months ago
    what happens when their unemployment checks run out
  • I hate spam  •  2 months ago
    It's all fairly meaningless isn't it? sitting around analyzing shopping patterns? I know a lot of people that will shop even when they are broke and maxed out. It's the Holidays. Look at the big picture people.
  • Chet  •  2 months ago
    Slow down any video of the crowds of 'consumers' at SprawlMart, play a looping audio track, "brains.... brains.... hungry for brains.." and we have a perfect zombie movie.
  • J-Rog  •  2 months ago
    Why are people so quick to dismiss that it a good weekend for consumer spending? I was out on Friday shopping and it was crazy! I am not going to say the consumer is 100% back but they were out in droves on Friday. As some have pointed out, the great deals this year made a huge difference. But the point is that people were out and spending. I can't tell you how much was credit card or not, but from my perspective none of it was charged. I got over $500 worth of merchandise for around $200 and now am pretty much done shopping for Christmas this year.
  • Believe_Me  •  2 months ago
    The economy may tick up now because of the mandated holiday shopping, but what will spur continued buying in Jan '12? Unemployment is still high. Turmoil within foreign and our own governments concerning their debts and the uncertainty that brings is spurring on volatility in the markets. Two decades later and we still have no solutions for controlling the cost of healthcare (which is suffocating all industries). This uptick will be short lived, unfortunately. If you get back in the market, be prepared to pull it all out again come Feb '12. I'm just going to sit on cash until a true glimmer of hope shows up, not this. This is truly seasonal.
  • Dave  •  2 months ago
    "Is the consumer back"?? Answer : the consumer will NOT be back until he or she has a GOOD JOB again. Period.
  • Lauren  •  2 months ago
    LOL! Is it back with Visa or Mastercard?
  • Mike Johnson  •  2 months ago
    Hmm sales are up does this mean that more factories in China will be working over time. All these reports are insane we are going to destroy our nation. WHy do these people refuse to see what is happening?
  • luckyshot  •  2 months ago
    all this crap is propaganda to keep the masses hopes up, the upcoming jobs numbers will be a setup to skyrocket the stock markets higher which will benefit those that manipulate it in order to extract more money from your 401k. the markets are run by financial gangsters with the blessing of their placed government puppets and hype created by their owned media who reports what they are told. it's not rocket science, it's been that way since they got away with successfully murdering JFK in Dallas. on that day they discovered they can strongarm the US government.
  • scubadude  •  2 months ago
    it's all #$%$ in a feeble attempt to build consumer confidence... and it's not going to work. people simply won't buy into the nonsense any longer. re-establish import tariffs to bring the jobs back, raise wages for the working class, and maybe our economy might turn around. anything less creates only a pipe dream.
  • RonR  •  2 months ago
    So, how is that "Hope & Change" working out for you?

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