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    Forget Harvard and a 4-Year Degree, You Can Make More as a Plumber in the Long Run, Says Prof. Kotlikoff

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    The value of a college education has been a hot topic of discussion here at Tech Ticker.  Now there's more fodder for debate.

    A new study from Princeton University shows that expensive college degrees are not necessarily worth the lofty price tags in the long run when you take into account one's natural ability.

    Laurence Kotlikoff, professor of economics at Boston University agrees that an expensive education just isn't worth it -- much to his chagrin of course because tuition and fees at Boston University totalled $39,314 for 2010-11.

    With unemployment still about 9 percent, on average, for college graduates under the age of 25, and total student-loan debt now topping that of credit card debt in this country, he tells Aaron in the accompanying clip, "If you think of education as solely a monetary investment, if we are not thinking about all the other benefits from education like learning things, and getting to hang out with me, and also just becoming a more cultured person, then we have to look at this very carefully."

    So, what does college tuition and room and board cost today?

    Well, tuition is the most expensive it has have ever been, rising roughly 5.6 percent per year beyond the rate of inflation, reports the College Board.

    In-state tuition and fees at a public four-year university were on average $7,605 for the 2010-11 term. When you tack on room and board, the total average cost jumps to $16,140.

    Tuition and fees at a private four-year college were on average $27,293 for the same term. And, the total average cost with room and board amounted to $36,993.

    That's a lot of dough -- especially when you multiply it by four years.  It's for that same reason James Altucher, founder of Formula Capital, made his case to Tech Ticker last year that kids should forget the degree altogether.  (See: Rethinking College as Student-Loan Burdens Rise)

    Kotlikoff has been doing a bit of his own research on the matter as president of Economic Security Planning Inc. He's developed software that according to the website can "tell you if a job change, a housing move, a retirement account contribution, and a host of other financial decisions will raise or lower your living standard."

    Kotlikoff's research aligns with Altucher's credo.  He has found that more often than not, people can have a better lifetime standard of living by choosing NOT to get an advanced degree. And, he says that people can be better off financially by not obtaining an undergraduate degree at all.

    Professor Kotlikoff makes his case by comparing the livelihoods of plumbers and doctors.  Yes, doctors have a bigger salary.  But, doctors have to endure nearly a decade of expensive education before making any real salary, after which the doctor is hit by a very high progressive tax rate.  Because of all the costs the doctor incurs, the taxes and the lost wages, he says, "plumbers make more, and have almost the same spending power over their lifetime as general practitioners."

    The high cost of tuition — and in turn high burden of student debt — is a key part to Kotlikoff's findings.

    "[This] is a debt a kid cannot discharge through bankruptcy," he explains. "We have a lot of kids who are borrowing a lot of money that they can't discharge through bankruptcy who are ending up basically in debtors prison for the rest of their life because they potentially made the wrong choice when it came to education."

    If parents are paying, Kotlikoff says, all bets are off.  But, for those considering college, who have to pay for all the costs alone, his advice is to think not once, not twice, but three times over about the financial burden of future student-loan debt.

    For another reason college may not be worth the cost, see: Brain Drain: Most College Students Learn Next to Nothing, New Study Says

    And, for some alternatives to earning a degree, see: Jame's Altucher's 8 Alternatives to College

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    • David  •  Yokosuka-shi, Japan  •  1 month 23 days ago
      In Japan they can make all the "right" decisions and still end up making half as what they could other places...
    • David  •  Yokosuka-shi, Japan  •  1 month 23 days ago
      My story, Black 29 going to school to be a doctor....I was against education until I hustled used furniture and joined the military eventually, the thing is that one day somebody else will be following your footsteps. Will they see a phoney, a warrior, or somebody who had it easier....I always think about that when I decide on things. Art is good, but is it right for those you love? Or are u in it for good times and skirt chasing? Think people...
    • Kristoffer  •  3 months ago
      Success is not from the path you take, it's how you apply yourself when you get there.
    • Bill Carruth - Royal Oak, ...  •  Southfield, Michigan  •  3 months ago
      Kudoes to Prof. Kotlikoff! I personally know a grad from a prestigious art school who was/is in hock for $80,000. But he holds a MFA- Masters of Fine Arts. GAWD! What a joke, what a fraud, what utter nonsense. He'll be in a form of debtors' prison for many, many years. If the debt doesn't kill him, the stress will. COLLEGE IS NOT FOR EVERYONE REGARDLESS OF THE 'EARNINGS' FLAK THE SCHOOL ADVERTISE. A recent article in FORBES goes into
      detail about the horrors of graduating with an advanced degree. Bottom line? IT AIN'T WORTH IT!
    • LuigiS  •  New York, New York  •  3 months ago
      There are too many people going to college, we as a society devalue the trades. Our world and our country were built by by skilled tradesmen. Our society shys away from an honest trade and learning a skill to earn a great living. Some kids should learn a trade and be a productive part of society rather than waste time and money in a classroom to end up under-employed.
    • popeye1250  •  Murrells Inlet, South Carolina  •  3 months ago
      Yes but you need to know MATH to be a Master Plumber!
      The kids coming out of colleges these days might..."have a problem" with that.
    • TheTerminatorFan  •  Port St Lucie, Florida  •  3 months ago
      College graduate or plumber? The real question is; what jobs are hiring where you live? You can do research from your State Department of Labor and their local offices in, or near where you live. Look at the jobs being offered. If you learn a trade to be a plumber; and no one is hiring plumbers, you are s.o.l. Same with graduating from college. What degree? Pick one of the popular degrees, such as CSI, and you find yourself trying to get a job that does not exist; against thousands of other people. Do your homework, and then decide what degree, or trade, would be best for you.
    • Self Reliant  •  Elmhurst, Illinois  •  3 months ago
      Funny thing is I didn't even graduate high school and I have been working as a plumber for about 24 years . For the first 12 years I learned and worked with several different companies learning as much as I could from different owners and technicians. For the last 12 years I have owned and operated my own business. I employ 3 people that take care of themselves and their families. The people I get the most complaints about the bill are from those that are making 6 + figures doctors, and lawyers are of the biggest complainers I do work for. Too many people are going to college and getting degrees in which they will not be able to do anything with in the real world . In the real world it takes drive and the want to be and do better than than rest of your competition. One needs to realize that success comes from the happiness of your customers. College neglects to teach students about customer satisfaction. They seem to always stress being penny wise and dollar dumb, saving a buck at the expense of losing customers is just BAD BUSINESS. Customers don't care if we misspell a word or two if we are polite,clean,and know what we are doing.
    • Keith  •  Columbus, Ohio  •  3 months ago
      ASK YOURSELF WHY THE DEPT OF EDUCATION CONTINUES TO SUBSIDIZE LOANS FOR DEGREES WHERE THERE IS EITHER NO DEMAND OR THE INCOME POTENTIAL SUCKS! IF YOUR FAMILY IS "OLD" MONEY FINE ARTS WOULD BE GREAT. IF YOUR LIKE THE 99% OF US GET "STEM" DEGREE OR BE A PLUMBER. IT IS A DISGRACE THE LACK OF GOOD CAREER GUIDANCE IS PROVIDED IN THE COUNTRY.SCHOOLS WANT BUTTS IN CHAIRS TO PAY THE BILLS.
    • Roy Tyrell  •  3 months ago
      There are a few degrees that are still worth the cost - Engineering (not civil), anything to do with medicine, math and computer science. Maybe biology and chemistry if you really love the field and plan on getting a PhD or Med School. And, of course, Accounting. I have yet to meet - in my entire life - an unemployment, unsuccessful accountant.
    • carol g  •  Middletown, New York  •  3 months ago
      the idea of college 'to become smarter, better read, more literate, more critical thinking member of society' might be a nice side benefit of college, but it's not worth being in debt for the next 20 years and living in your parents basement. you can follow the money with your major and use your minor and electives for the more esoteric values of an educaton. or, pick up a book outside your field. there's no poetry in a degree that costs huge and suits you for NOTHING!!!
    • HowardR  •  Guatemala City, Guatemala  •  3 months ago
      but what ever happened to college to become a smarter, more well read, more literate, more critical thinking member of society - doesnt that mean something any more? Or is college only a means to get a job ... how sad. Little wonder why the US population as a whole fails horribly on just about all indicators when compared to other developed nations.
      • Joseph 3 months ago
        You don't need college for any of those things, you need parents to stop babying their children and given them discipline and structure and teach them how to think on their own instead of handing everything to them on a silver platter.
      • Self Reliant 3 months ago
        Easy there Guatemala, United States leads the world financially, and militarily. We left the tird world country status, oh that's right we were never a tird world country. Hay good luck with the mother land Howard.
    • H.K.C.  •  Austin, Texas  •  3 months ago
      College is for people who are not ready for the real world so they spend 4 years borrowing money to get ready for it.... I skipped out on college i'm 19 and I make 32k as a restaurant manager. Not everybody needs college.
    • Daniel Crickett  •  3 months ago
      This story about the plumber is true only to a certain point. The difference is during a housing crash, there is no building going on. And Joe the plumber has to practically become a handyman in order to survive, and this is if he can survive. Having a college degree would be better if you know how to go about it. Hindsight is always 20/20. There is alway shoulda-woulda-coulda in hindsight. The plumber did do better than a doctor while there was a healthy housing market, but when that healthy housing market was removed, the doctor continued to make money, but the plumber lost his house while trying to survive, if he survived The Great Recession. As for the construction industry it's been in the Great Depression II and hasn't stopped.
      • Self Reliant 3 months ago
        Let me help you out there jimminy cricket, A smart plumber runs a service company and also does new construction. This means that in hard economic times our customers want to fix everything instead of replacing everything, but eventually everything must be replaced. This means even more money in the long run, and the funny thing is that it didn't cost me 100k to learn this little business tip. You either have it or you don't and giving some big college campus a bunch of money to help you learn things that you pick up as you go anyway is just plain foolish. Mr. jimminy you might want to go and get your money back from that college I think you've been had!!!
    • Daniel Crickett  •  3 months ago
      I do sincerely believe, in order to keep the costs down, it would be better to get a degree online, as opposed to getting a degree from a brick and mortar college. These days an online degree would have a better return on investment than a brick and mortar college degree. - Food for thought! ... In the end, a degree is just a piece of paper. An employer only cares about - Can you do the job? Can you make US money? - That's what really counts from a degree. You can get that through reading a lot on your own, testing out of a lot of classes through AP exams, and doing the rest through an online degree program. It sure beats the hell out spending $150,000 to get a 4-year brick and mortar college degree.
    • here 2 annoy U  •  4 months ago
      that's not true in good country, but it is true in this land - because were all being raped!
    • Robert  •  Princeton, New Jersey  •  4 months ago
      You can't live your life "On Average."
    • anonymouse  •  6 months ago
      he forgot to mention the part where plumbers also get cash and dont report it, thereby doubling their take home salary.
      • The Greatest 4 months ago
        or that plumbers enjoy a higher quality of life, because they can walk around with their #$%$ hanging out of their pants all day without suffering adverse consequences ...
    • American Survivor  •  1 year 1 month ago
      Here's my story: Black, over 50, three college degrees, house, three kids going to college, in debt...and unemployed. Yet I survive by hustling: Work is work, and I don't have a problem Driving Miss Daisy or cutting grass or working in construction if it keeps food on the table (cash only, please). Ninety percent of the people I deal with don't even know that I'm a college graduate. Believe me, degrees don't matter as much as attitude and the willingness to hustle!
      • Who's_Your_Froggy 1 year 1 month ago
        Well said! If so many others had your great attitude, they likely wouldn't be in so much trouble and debt.
      • ShakaL 1 year 0 months ago
        Got get 'em!
    • Bill  •  1 year 2 months ago
      Vocational classes should have never been taken out of the HS curriculum. Our country needs creative, thinking adaptable citizens whether they are college grads or in a needed trade.

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