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    Forget About Wind & Solar – Natural Gas Is Our Energy Future, Says Policy Expert

    After last week's subpar gross domestic product report — a meager 1.8% in the first quarter of 2011 — it is getting harder and harder to support the Obama administration's notion that the U.S. economy is on the mend. (See: "Much to Be Encouraged About": Geithner Talks Tough on the Dollar, Deficits and More)

    Sherle Schwenninger, director of economic growth and American strategy programs at the New America Foundation has some advice for our elected officials in Washington to help revitalize the U.S. economy. He actually has a four-point plan as laid out in his policy paper titled, "Winning the Prosperity". It includes the following:

    #1: Invest in Public Infrastructure

    #2: Create an Energy Efficiency Mini-Revolution

    #3: Unleash Productivity Gains in Healthcare and Education

    #4 Spur Global Demand for American Tech. and Capital Goods

    In the interview above, Schwenniger and Aaron discuss the top two points more in depth. Most notable is Schwenniger's assertion that Obama's clean energy initiative, which is supposed to bolster competitiveness, create jobs and reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources, will actually drag on U.S. economic growth in the short- and medium-term.

    He cites subsidies for clean energy programs as the main culprit for two reasons: opportunity costs and foreign investment, rather than domestic investment.

    "The program subsidizes the commercialization of inefficient wind and solar technologies, many of which are produced abroad, while ignoring more efficient alternatives that would cut America's oil import bill and reduce the overall cost of energy in the United States," he writes in his report. "It makes no economic sense, for example, to subsidize the installation of imported wind turbines when natural gas fired generators can produce an equivalent amount of energy for one-third to one-half the cost." (See: What Energy Problem: U.S. Oil Exports Are on the Rise)

    When he says "abroad" he really means China, where each month the government spends roughly $12 billion to develop clean energy sources. Our vast investment there is in reality a subsidy, but to China, as Aaron points out.

    "China insists that if you are going to be able to tap their domestic market you have to produce there in cooperation with the Chinese companies," he says. "So, if you are thinking about locating a plant in Iowa or California or China, then that decision of excluding yourself from the Chinese market becomes very critical for a number of companies." (See: A New U.S. Energy Plan: Sell Oil Reserves, Use Profits to Invest in Clean Tech)

    Right now, Schwenniger suggests focusing on a strategy that takes advantage of our "huge cornucopia of natural gas."

    "Natural gas has the advantage of both being able to lower the cost of energy and reduce significantly carbon emissions. And it can be used directly for both electricity generation and transportation," he writes.

    The other advantage of exploiting our vast natural gas resources is the creation of new jobs.

    Tell us what you think! Do you believe the U.S. should focus on developing wind, solar or its natural gas resources?

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    85 comments

    • Robert  •  1 year 0 months ago
      The natural gas powered Honda GX is a terrific alternative to gasoline; however, I would have to drive over 30 miles to fill the tank.

      If Obama was really serious about an alternative to imported oil he should mandate that all government vehicles must be fueled with natural gas.
      • Joe Nowantabe 1 year 0 months ago
        Why do we have to choose between NG and Solar/Wind, when both working together will be even better than one or the other.
        Take for instance Solar Thermal/NG co generation plants like the one being built by FPL in Florida, and others that will begin shortly in the Mohave Desert in CA.
        The best of all will be a combination of sources Wind/Solar and Natural Gas which are right here in the US in abundance. Also what is here is lots technical minds that can figure out solutions, instead of the dimwits like these three clowns on this broadcast

        Oh and don't forget companies like UPS and ATT are converting their fleets two of the largest in the US to CNG and Hybrids Electrics . So they know what the future is, its all things renewable and price stable
      • apeakay 1 year 0 months ago
        Hey T Baggers : Evidently you don't know CNG is less explosive than gasoline. Why else would we be using gasoline all these years if CNG had more energy, i.e., explosiveness, than gasoline? Remember, CNG cars will get less mpg than gasoline powered cars, because of the reduced energy content.
      • Jim 1 year 0 months ago
        but natural gas is about a third of the price of gasoline
    • Robert  •  1 year 0 months ago
      We can use natural gas to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. There will be slow steady progress on solar but solar will come in gradually over the longer term. And of course there is always the possibility of breakthroughs in nuclear power. While it appears that we have a lot of natural gas at the present time, it too is exhaustible the same as oil. So it is not a question of one energy source vs another because we have to look at all possible energy sources.
      • apeakay 1 year 0 months ago
        I'm in college to learn all about solar theory, design, installation and maintenance. Each year we have a graduation of about 2/3's of the starting freshmen. All 2/3's are employed in the field after graduation. I think you may be mistaken about how slow solar will be implemented in the US. It's gangbusters all the way right now.
      • Joe the Cabinetmaker 1 year 0 months ago
        The cost of Solar power will be below grid in most of the world within 24 months. It has leapfrogged wind and is already less that new nuclear and coal plants. In sunnier areas of the US, it is already below grid as it is in Italy, the middle east etc. The AU, Japan, China and India will be huge installers in the next few years as will be Saudi Arabia and Iran. When Saudi Arabia starts massive deployment of while we ignore the future, it is yet another stake in our collective heart. We used to lead, now we follow and worse, many want us to start walking backwards.. into the 1950's or 1920's.
      • Ghawker 1 year 0 months ago
        Let's see your supporting data. I seriously doubt that solar is anywhere close to coal. Are you factoring in storage and transmission costs?
    • a p  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Here in Kentucky we have 1700 old gas wells that are shut-in due to the pipe lines being to small to ship rhe gas to the main distributing lines The producing counties don't have a ncg fleet of vechicles.
      What a waste.
    • S  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Nat gas .right on.Ethanol is a bad joke.
      • apeakay 1 year 0 months ago
        I don't know who the Koch Bros. are. Maybe I'm just ignorant. But you sure have a hard on for them.
      • Robert 1 year 0 months ago
        Ethanol is a bad idea for both the short term and long term since we need our farmland to produce food. I guess there are certain farmers who are happy about it.
      • Ghawker 1 year 0 months ago
        Koch is the new Halliburton to these guys...
    • allergic2pretense  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Natural gas has been overlooked for FAR TOO LONG!

      Its time for the US to get its political head out of its @ss and develop this market and grow the infrastructure.

      YESTERDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    • johnc  •  1 year 0 months ago
      I am sure the gentlman is RIGHT. We have a super abundance of natural gas.
      • apeakay 1 year 0 months ago
        We don't, in actually. Peak oil occurred a year of two ago, and the natural gas peak will occur not later than 2025. Nat Gas will give us a small window to switch to alternate sources.
      • Shazam40us 1 year 0 months ago
        Besides, look at the cost to the environment from fracing...just having the NG companies submitting their chemicals to the government for review isn't enough. If it leaks into our ground waters and destroys our natural resources for miles is it really worth it? I am no hippie, just your average guy with kids. NG is not the answer only something to partially sustain us.
    • geraldk  •  1 year 0 months ago
      move the oil subsidies to cleaner fuels and renewables--kinda hard to move the greedy politicians used to easy oil money
      • Hope and Change 1 year 0 months ago
        The subsidies aren't on oil they are on inefficient alternatives, such as wind and solar----did you read the article?
      • Ghawker 1 year 0 months ago
        And you don't think GE and their like aren't making a killing on renewables? Immelt is in the White House at least twice a week!
    • Jake  •  1 year 0 months ago
      I say we start stealing China's technology.

      They've done it to us for years.
    • dean  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Forget wind and solar.......is that because there will be no "daily" profit for the big boys if regular citizens get these systems at home?
    • Uncle  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Gas NOW! Boone is right!
    • Rajoo  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Agree. 1.Nat. gas is our independence from the crazy Middle East fanatics.Of course, it will take years to wean Americans off gasoline cars. But, we need to start somewhere and NOW is the time.
      2. We, in OKLAHOMA CITY have few , strategically placed Nat. Gas fueling station in our sprawling city of 100 sq. miles..I see at least one CNG car or SUV,--that a sensational change. 3. OKC sits on 2 major highways--I-35 and I-40..we have millions of trucks that pass through the city everyday..Boone plans to and he should soon have Nat Gas Fuelling pumps @ all truck stops.--Sweet ! abt time. 4.UPS has CNG trucks ! 5. All Govt vehicle shoulld have CNG.^. Just came back from India after a 6 yrs hiatus..What i saw was shocking. A poor country,most populated and MOST illitrate population , most polluted country few yrs back in the world is trying to be self sufficient---HOW?---No gasoline cars or rickshaws are allowed within 5 miles of the airport.All taxis and rickshaws are CNG ! Everyhouse I saw had solar powered waterheaters on their roofs! The farmers and cow-cattle ranchers use cowdung to produce methane which is piped in the house for cooking!
      If these countries can do it , we should at least.try We need to learn a lot and become green. Last yr, my roof was blown away from a tornado, before replacing a new expensive roof, i asked for permission from our Homeowners @#$%. to put in a solar roof and a solar water heater.. OMG !. the whole committee showed up-- that the our neighborhood will go to the dogs ! Blah ! Blah!. Pathetic! We're so behind times !.Finally, tax breaks + from state and Fed should help. Get rid of corn subsidy.Love to have my own CNG golf cart.
    • BSC  •  1 year 0 months ago
      The chemical called 2-BE (shorthand for 2-butoxyethanol) is another common toxic constituent. It is used as a foaming agent or surfactant. ���According to EPA scientists, 2-BE is easily absorbed and rapidly distributed in humans following inhalation, ingestion, or dermal exposure. Studies have shown that exposure to 2-BE can cause hemolysis (destruction of red blood cells) and damage to the spleen, liver, and bone marrow.��� And rare adrenal tumors. Texas topped the list of states with 12 million gallons of fluid containing 2-BE injected into the ground. As noted above, WV and PA were below 1 million.

      Among the list of carcinogens used are formaldehyde (also a hazardous air pollutant), diesel, naphthalene and chemicals in the BTEX compound group (benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene and xylene). ���The BTEX compounds appeared in 60 hydraulic fracturing products used in the 5-year period and were used in 11.4 million gallons of hydraulic fracturing fluids.��� Most of those tainted fluids, 9.5 million gallons of the 11.4 million, were used in Texas. Less than 100,000 gallons were used in Pennsylvania and West Virginia.

      ���In addition, the hydraulic fracturing companies injected more than 30 million gallons of diesel fuel or fracturing fluids containing diesel fuel in wells in 19 states.��� In a 2004 report, the EPA stated that the use of diesel fuel in fracturing fluids poses the greatest threat to underground sources of drinking water.

      ���Many chemical components of hydraulic fracturing fluids used by the companies were listed on the MSDSs as ���proprietary��� or ���trade secret.��� The hydraulic fracturing companies used 93.6 million gallons of 279 products containing at least one proprietary component between 2005 and 2009. ���In these cases, it appears that the companies are injecting fluids containing unknown chemicals about which they may have limited understanding of the potential risks posed to human health and the environment.���

      The report was prepared under the leadership of US House Representatives Henry Waxman (D-CA), Edward Markey (D-MA), and Dianna DeGuette (D-CO).
    • zachary  •  1 year 0 months ago
      People who are crying out for an end to entitlement programs... tell you what... give me back EVERY @#$% PENNY I've paid into it, and you can end it.

      That money was put there, taken from my pay, as a trust for the future. Now, they say the money is gone. Its MY MONEY, give it back!
    • Jeffrey  •  1 year 0 months ago
      The Alternative Welfare subsidies are nothing but a con on America. Way too much of the money is going to Chinese companies. Before handing out subsidies like candy why didn't Obama make sure that the products are made in this country?

      We have been pushing solar energy for 40 years and it still doesn't come close to natural gas. Take away the solar subsidies and it's way too expensive for the average American. Go back to the lab and find something that will lower our energy costs, not increase them. Until then we have a 100 supply of natural gas here in America that will create thousands of high paying American jobs.

      Natural gas has been the red headed step child for way to long.
    • NothingYet  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Where he is right is that China is indeed investing on the order of a hundred billion dollars on renewable energy... and is increasing this investment.

      It is working for them. They are way ahead of us and will pass all of the rest of the world by in a year or two.

      Anybody who does not get that has their head up their derriere.
    • King  •  1 year 0 months ago
      So what happens when natural gas runs out? Everybody will be in a rush to go to solar or other replenishable energy. Who cares if we spend $12B for Solar panels from China. If that $12B in panels generates $100B in energy, that is a net of $88B for the US. Yes, it would be nice if those jobs would be located here, but can you get anybody to work for $1per hour? The manufacturing industry is not as glamourous as people make it out to be. The reality is that it is low paying jobs that most people in the US would not consider, so what to do? Natural gas is already be exploited, but it is not a long term solution. The private industry is very good at managing short term initiates like profits for the next quarter, and they can continue to explore and exploit natural gas, so they do not need goverment help. What the private industry is not good at is investment for the long term. 2-5 year, 5-10 years. That is where the government needs to step in. Everybody is complaining about China, but the Chinese government runs the country like a business. They look at what they need 5-10 years from now and they invest in it. China did not get to such dominance by accident. It was a careful and thoughtful roadmap laid out by the government, and not the private sector. When politician try to create a vision for the country, it is not good enough to just talk about. Like China they need to fund it. And it is not just China. Many of the high growth countries do the same. Singapore, United Emirate, Korea. If we expect the US to be competitive, we better get unified to a vision, and drive those vision through funding and initiatives, or we will be the losers in this global economy.
    • KELLY A  •  1 year 0 months ago
      I have to admit that seeing a finite fuel resource as the next great solution to our nations energy problems is not really a solution at all.......it just prolongs the same problem that we currently have with oil......it will eventually run out and causes a lot of pollution. While wind and solar do have their merits, they do have increased costs, but like any technology, the costs will decrease as their usage increases......economies of scale.
    • larry k  •  1 year 0 months ago
      This country,s leaders(politicians/GOP) want to keep oil as the prime fuel so they benefit and oil is being depleted every day. If our leaders would embrace natural gas --both for heating, commercial and vehicles--we could stop sending all our $ abroad. Renewable(solar) and strong energy conservation measures/incentives as a 2nd step would do a world of good for this country. Unfortunately the Fat Cats at the top wouldnt benefit as much and it wont happen till they control these industries and can benefit from it.
    • JustinT  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Schwenninger conveniently omits inconvenient truths. In the video clip where he states unemployment payments are "Subsidizing middle class standard of living...", what is he smoking? That's a loaded opinion.

      Where all costs are internalized between seller and buyer, then unwarranted government payments may be labeled a subsidy.

      On the other hand, where inconvenient costs are externalized, and sellers and buyers benefit at the cost of others not desiring or benefiting from such a transaction, then government transfers are an attempt to equitably balance costs and benefits, and such transfers are not subsidies.

      A necessary ingredient for truly efficient free markets is that market participants (sellers and buyers) must ensure ALL costs are internalized between themselves. The sooner people and societies recognize that, and elect representatives who also recognize that, the sooner we can rid our selves of BIG government and lobbyists.

      Short of that, there is no such thing as a free market, nor reasonable riches among the rich, and BIG government will continue to be infiltrated by corporate lobbyists.
    • Hellraiser  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Solar is a long term answer. The government is subsidizing the oil companies many more billions on a yearly basis than the solar industry. Solar works, it's clean and it does have a point where it actually turns into an investment. It's real simple..... only offer tax subsidies on renewable energy on american made products, that will really stimulate the economy.

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