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    The Government Can’t Save the Market This Time

    Well, it's deja vu all over again. Even after a better than expected jobs report this morning the stock market rally has faded. All three major indexes are swinging between gains and losses in the first half of the trading day.

    For anyone who followed the market crashes of 2000-2002 and 2007-2009--especially the crash of 2007-2009--the 512-point drop in the Dow feels awfully familiar.

    And as those market crashes reminded us, the downdrafts can last a lot longer and be a lot more severe than most people initially think. (They can also reverse themselves quickly and unexpectedly, and maybe that's what will happen this time. We can always pray.)

    But there are also several very important differences between this market crash and the ones a few years ago:

    • The Fed has fired most of its bullets (interest rates are already at zero)
    • Our budget deficit is already out of control, and Congress has had it with "stimulus"
    • The public has had it with bailouts

    That means the government's ability to do anything about this market crash is severely limited.
    Yes, we'll almost certainly have a "QE3." And maybe that will prop things up a bit. But it won't fix the fundamental problems clogging the economy, just as QE1 and QE2 didn't permanently fix anything. (The only thing that will fix our economy is debt-reduction, discipline, and time.)

    To get a good sense of how hamstrung the government is, you need only look as far back as last week, when Congress was so paralyzed that it almost put the country into default rather than raise the debt ceiling.

    And you also need only note that, when the 2000 crash began, the US federal budget was running a surplus, and when the 2007 crash began, the deficit was only $200 billion. Now, the deficit's about $1.4 trillion.

    Meanwhile, to get a good sense of how different the Fed's position is now than it was at the start of the last two market crashes, all you have to do is look at the chart below. In 2000, when the market tanked, the Fed Funds rate was 6.5%. The Fed immediately began cutting rates and eventually took them all the way down to 1%. (Where it left them for far too long, thus helping to inflate the housing bubble.)

    In 2007, when the market began to crack, the Fed Funds rate was 5.25%. The Fed immediately began cutting rates and eventually took them all the way down to 0.25%. Where they have been as long as anyone can remember. And where they still are today, just as the market is beginning to crash again.

    In short, it IS different this time. And not in a good way.

    See Also: THE CRASH IN CONTEXT: Stocks Are Still ~30% Overvalued

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    553 comments

    • JOHN  •  9 months ago
      How much do you think Senators make? They now make $154,700 a year. But they say it will stimulate the economy because eventually that money will trickle down to the liquor stores, the hookers, the brothels ... then it will get back in the community."
      • FREE SOUL 9 months ago
        How about Obama's trickle up poverty, that's really working now isn't it.
      • Mark 9 months ago
        John, so what you're saying is that the Kennedy's actually contributed something to society? I knew they were good for something.
      • Law-abiding Citizen 9 months ago
        That's only what they are paid...they TAKE a lot more than that.
    • notonmydollar  •  9 months ago
      I don't want the GOVERNMENT to save the market. What the he!! hapened to FREE MARKETS?
      • Raccoon 9 months ago
        The free markets blew their brains out in 2007.
      • DavidJ 9 months ago
        Socialism happened. Liberals happened. Progressives happened. And worst of all, Obama happened.
      • D 9 months ago
        Yep, seems like all the brilliant minds are in the private sector. But wait - Wall Street failed, the health insurance co's have created bureaucracies that are more costly than what the gov'ts spend in Canada, or UK, or Germany, Sweden, etc.... on health care. And then the military contractors in Iraq cost lots of taxpayer $, they are not as disciplined as the US military and there is little oversight of their waste and criminality because the GOP does not want any oversight of how your $ is spent on contractors. But hey, your ideology says gov't is bad and private sector is always good - no need to analyze, the theory says it is so and we do not question the theory. We are good boys and girls who do not question any of our assumptions because Obama is a black man and a communist sympathizer.

        Give rich old ladies a tax break and you'll see they create more jobs. Like last month for example. Indiscriminate tax breaks for coupon clipping rich old folks, for corporate execs, Wall Street financiers, and small businesses. After all, they ALL create jobs with their $ - jobs in the USA because they are patriotic - even though labor is cheaper in other countries. So, don't target tax cuts for small businesses and others to create jobs, just give everyone with $ tax breaks because the result is always a good one. Surely when you look outside you can see that is true. In fact, the theory says it is so - so don't even bother looking around and analyzing what is working or not, we KNOW our theory is right, it is part of our culture - so shut the fck up and wait until you see we are right, no matter how long it takes and how much it seems like the theory has failed. It hasn't because God blesses America,
    • Mark  •  9 months ago
      let's see how many stupid people re-elect the dim wits that are causing all this
      • Paul 9 months ago
        And by dim wits you mean all the republicans that were elected in 2010 that have not passed one jobs creating bill to date right? Cause if thats not what you mean then you are ridiculous.
      • Bob_081690 9 months ago
        My guess is it will be around 85 to 90 million who either reelect the current nitwit or the nitwit they are offered by the other major party
      • Mark 9 months ago
        That already happened...last November
    • GS  •  9 months ago
      "The Government Can’t Save the Market This Time" - What's been slowly killing our economy over the past several decades is the mistaken belief that the government can EVER save the market.
      • Mc Fermi 9 months ago
        If we are talking only about the stock market, then just by increasing the money supply they will boost the market. Like it or not, that's the way it works. The problem comes when they try to pull back on the money supply and the markets go down.
      • RichM 9 months ago
        No, what's been killing the economy is the belief that markets can fix themselves without any government interference.
      • A Yahoo! User 9 months ago
        End the FED, vote Ron Paul
    • Porsche_Pete  •  9 months ago
      Sure the gov't can 'save' the market and the economy. Spend within your means! Pay down some debt, its not rocket science. It is easily done if we return to spending ONLY on constitutionally mandated items. Households are doing it.
      • milou 9 months ago
        But capitalism relies on the consumer overspending. In other words, what we "want", not what we "need". Look at smartphone and tablet sales (I see students studying for English and Philisophy exams with $2500 macs). In America, we use the word "consumer" instead of citizen.
      • Steve 9 months ago
        They can't create Jobs. Only the Businesses can do that. That's the key to this whole mess. More Jobs, more money to spend, more homes to build. Government was never meant to create jobs. This whole mess started when President Obama had to get his hands involved in everything. He started it and everyone else just followed his lead. We have to get the money off the sidelines and back into the game. But who can trust the Administration. We better pray for a change and soon.
      • Jo 9 months ago
        The government transfer programs that make our federal budget unbalanced are what allow you to balance your household budget. Do you really think all households could balance their budget without Medicare, Social Security, etc?
    • michaelc  •  9 months ago
      How can the government save the market? It can't even save itself!
    • Greg8888  •  9 months ago
      THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS NOT PART OF THE GOVERNMENT !!!

      Holy moly, the very first bullet point doesn't even match the headline! It blows my mind how many don't or won't try to understand the role of the PRIVATE central bank in this country. Please do some research, its frightening, but important. Ben Bernanke is not a government employee!

      "Give me control of a nations money supply, and I care not who makes the laws." -Mayer A. Rothschild.
    • Thomas  •  9 months ago
      This article is a breath of fresh air. Finally someone is talking sense. The government can't save us. The best it can do is get out of the way.
    • toms  •  9 months ago
      This mess is caused by politians trying to run the biggest business in the world.
    • BR  •  9 months ago
      Cut pensions and health care benefits for Federal legislators. Nobody else has pensions and lifetime health benefits, why should they?
    • authorized  •  9 months ago
      The gov't can't save the economy after they ran it into a ditch.
    • Mister Moose  •  9 months ago
      Thanks Congress, you SCUMBAGS!
    • ttt  •  9 months ago
      Yeah, the gov is all run by a bunch of over-aged children who have no ideas how their actions would affect the whole world! And they are always too slow to stop a crisis!
    • Scott  •  9 months ago
      Wait until this jobs number is revised down.
    • Brain_Dead_Liberal_Clown  •  9 months ago
      Government has NEVER saved the markets.
      They have only meddled and caused the problems we have now.
    • Ray  •  9 months ago
      We need to flush Washington like the toilet it is. Send the whole crowd back wherever they came from. All they are concerned about is that the other party doesn't get something their party didn't.
    • Art  •  9 months ago
      Is anyone here really dumb enough to think that the government is going to create real jobs? They can't, they can borrow money and give it away.
    • Martin D-28  •  9 months ago
      Yeah like you idiots calling it the summer of recovery.
    • Johnny Randal  •  9 months ago
      You will be out of office after the next election 2012.
    • Docsti  •  9 months ago
      Give us some stability we can count on so we know where we stand. No one will put themselves on a limb if they think it may break. Insurance, medical care, etc. This whole not knowing what is next to be interfered with by gov't is killing free enterprise.

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