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    The Greek Charade, Act II: Europeans Keep Kicking the Can, Stocks Rally

    Financial markets exhaled Wednesday as the Greek parliament passed a $40 billion austerity package. A second vote on implementing the package is set for tomorrow and ongoing protests in Athens could change the political calculus. But the expectation now is Greece will receive a $17 billion tranche of its EU-IMF bailout package and avoid a short-term default.

    That's the good news, at least as far as the markets are concerned. European stocks rallied sharply overnight as the euro climbed vs. the dollar. The Dow was recently up 0.6%, on track for a third-straight gain.

    The bad news is Greece is going to be unable to pay its debts beyond next month and the austerity package will likely cripple its already struggling economy.

    "No country in modern economic history has faced similar debt levels to those of Greece — a debt-to-GDP ratio above 150% - and avoided a default," write analysts at Open Europe, a London-based think tank. "Even with the help of a second bailout and a debt rollover, Greece is still likely to default within the next few years, as the country's poor growth prospects and growing debt burden mean that it will be unable to fund itself post-2014."

    Given that, Open Europe believes it's better for Greece to restructure its debts now, estimating the cost of such a move will only increase with time; the firm predicts the haircut taken by Greece's lenders will rise from 50% today to 69% in 2014 following a presumed second bailout.

    No Simple Solution

    As you'll see in the accompanying video, Henry Blodget couldn't agree more. "To simplify a situation that has become grossly complicated…banks made dumb loans to a country that could not pay them back," he says. "What happens in that situation? You restructure the debt."

    If only it were that simple.

    Unlike Argentina, Russia or other sovereign deadbeats of the recent past, what happens in Greece has ramifications far beyond its borders. Because it is a member of the EU, Greece cannot "simply" default on its debt and/or devalue its currency and start over. (See: Europe on Edge: What Happens in Greece Will NOT Stay in Greece, Minton Beddoes Says)

    So from the beginning of the crisis, some 18 months ago, the goal among European policymakers was to put a "ring-fence" around Greece in order to buy time for Portugal, Ireland, Italy and Spain. (See: Greece Is the Word: "I Think They'll Be Able to Control This," Dow Says)

    Moreover, European banks would be unable to handle the hit of a near-term write-down of their Greek debts. In mid-July, regulators will announce the results of new stress tests on European banks and there's already speculation many banks will fail — and that's before a Greek haircut or the new Basel III capital requirements kick in.

    "It cannot be emphasised (sic) enough that the main cost from a debt restructuring comes in the form of contagion and the knock-on effects of losses throughout the European banking system," Open Europe says. In addition, many banks exposed to Greece, including Belgian-French Dexia and Germany's Hypo Real Estate, are already largely taxpayer owned, the firm notes, meaning taxpayers would foot "a huge chunk of the bill" for write-downs.

    Even if there were the political will in Europe, it's unclear whether there's enough money to recapitalize Europe's banks after forcing them to take a haircut on Greek debt, as Henry suggests. The European Central Bank is already in tightening mode and the Fed under pressure to shrink its balance sheet -- although (surprise!) it has approved the extension of special lending facilities to foreign central banks, The WSJ reports.

    China has pledged to keep buying EU debt and has some $3 trillion of foreign currency reserves. But if bailing out Greece is a tough political challenge for German politicians, imagine trying to convince voters selling out to China is a good idea? (Yes, America is doing the same thing...but it's been subtly over time vs. in an emergency-type fire sale. Plus we've got cheap Chinese goods in exchange, which served to appease the masses during the debt bubble.)

    In sum, the EU and IMF giving more money to Greece so that it can pay off its lenders is indeed a "charade," as Henry says. But, to borrow from Hyman Roth, this is the (nasty) business the Europeans have chosen. (Up next: America's debt-ceiling vote!)

    Aaron Task is the host of The Daily Ticker. You can follow him on Twitter at @atask or email him at altask@yahoo.com

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    37 comments

    • DeerHunter46  •  10 months ago
      What ever happened to the risk/reward for the investor? The reason you get INTEREST on your money is that YOU are taking a risk... If they (GREECE) defaults, then there is your risk.. If you didn't get a great return whos fault is it?... NOT the tax payers..TAX PAYERS never took the risk, never wanted the risk or would have ever benefitted from the risk...BAILOUTS DON"T WORK.
      • Valhalla360 10 months ago
        True there is a risk but they pay very low interest rates because the risk is seen as low. If they default, that view will change (and is already). They will pay much higher rates for years. The complication is since they are part of the EU, the continents cost to borrow will go up so it does impact others.
      • A Yahoo! User 10 months ago
        This is old news. The Bible condemned credit transactions. The U.S. Constitution prohibits fiat money. The ancients knew of these problems and tried to protect us from them. Alas like the serpent in the garden credit is a seductive siren.
    • Cpt Insano  •  10 months ago
      OK a few people don't know that the US pays about 17% of IMF contributions. So the IMF bail out of Greece is funded with some US tax dollars, this is a fact. Now there are complicated rules and situations regarding how it is distributed and where the sources will come from, so we are not exactly on the hook for 17% of the current bailout, but make no mistake we are funding some of this bail out, I would say conservatively a minimum 10%. Cheers I am drinking Ouzo today
      • bladerider 10 months ago
        U.S. Fed loans "tax payer" money to banks, to further loan money to who/whatever. What's new and so different here.
      • TOMMY 10 months ago
        CALIFORNIA is NEXT, and USA even before!!!
        And the money merchants - the Jews, are taking over more & more since they control this stupid world.
        GREECE HAS FOUGHT & HELPED THE WORLD FOR ITS FREEDOM and LIBERATION.
        GREECE WILL PAY BACK THE LOANS IF NOT ASKED - AS IS NOW - FOR 20%-30% INTEREST THE "JEWS" OF THE BANKING SYSTEM ASK THIS COUNTRY TO PAY.
        GERMANS SHOULD REPAY THEIR WORLD WAR 2 REPARATION DEBTS TO GREECE NOW!
        THEY OWE TRILLIONS FOR THE CATASTROPHY CAUSED GREECE THEN & THE OCCUPATION & KILLING OF THOUSANDS PATRIOTS STARVING TO DEATH 10's OF THOUSANDS GREEK CITIZENS, DESTROYING THE COUNTRY INFRASTRUCTURE, BUILDINGS, AND STEALING ALL FOODSTUFFS, AND EVERY RESOURCES USED TO SUPPLY THEIR WAR AND TROOPS.
        GREECE FOUGHT HEROICALLY & STOPPED - DEFEATED THE MOUSOLINI ITALIANS FIRST, AND THEN THE HITLER���S GERMANS CAME, MOVING ALL THEIR TROOPS AND TANKS FROM THE RUSSIAN FRONT OCCUPYING FINALLY & DESTROYED GREECE FOR YEARS.
        THIS DELAYED AND KEPT GERMANS BUSY THUS SAVED RUSSIA, AND EVENTUALLY HELPED ALL THE OTHERS [US, RUSSIA, ETC.] DEFEAT GERMANY, FREEING EUROPE [FRANCE, POLAND, ITALY, ... ] , AND THE WHOLE WORLD FROM THE NAZIS [GERMANY , ITALY, JAPAN]
        GREEKS FOUGHT FOR THEIR AND THE WHOLE WORLD���S FREEDOM, AND THEY PAID THE PRICE. NOT ONLY THEN, BUT ALSO IN WORLD WAR 1.
        THE GREEKS FOUGHT FOR THE FREEDOM OF JEWS, AND UNDERGROUND GREEK PATRIOTS GAVE THEM SHELTER EVEN DURING GERMAN OCCUPATION.
        HOW MANY SMALL LIKE GREECE OR EVEN BIGEER COUNTRIES HAVE DONE THIS?
        THE COUNTRY's ECONOMY DESTROYED FROM THE ASSOCIATION WITH THE EURO AND THE EUROPEAN COMMUNITY WHICH RAISED THE COST OF LIVING VERY HIGH!!!

        GREECE HAS INVENTED DEMOCRACY & GAVE IT TO TO THE WORLD, AMONG OTHER THINGS: OLYMPIC GAMES, PHILOSOPHY, IDEAS, ETC. ETC..
    • Concerned__Citizen  •  10 months ago
      And the Greeks aren't even at war with anyone!
      • TOMMY 10 months ago
        CALIFORNIA is NEXT, and USA even before!!!
        And the money merchants - the Jews, are taking over more & more since they control this stupid world.
        GREECE HAS FOUGHT & HELPED THE WORLD FOR ITS FREEDOM and LIBERATION.
        GREECE WILL PAY BACK THE LOANS IF NOT ASKED - AS IS NOW - FOR 20%-30% INTEREST THE "JEWS" OF THE BANKING SYSTEM ASK THIS COUNTRY TO PAY.
        GERMANS SHOULD REPAY THEIR WORLD WAR 2 REPARATION DEBTS TO GREECE NOW!
        THEY OWE TRILLIONS FOR THE CATASTROPHY CAUSED GREECE THEN & THE OCCUPATION & KILLING OF THOUSANDS PATRIOTS STARVING TO DEATH 10's OF THOUSANDS GREEK CITIZENS, DESTROYING THE COUNTRY INFRASTRUCTURE, BUILDINGS, AND STEALING ALL FOODSTUFFS, AND EVERY RESOURCES USED TO SUPPLY THEIR WAR AND TROOPS.
        GREECE FOUGHT HEROICALLY & STOPPED - DEFEATED THE MOUSOLINI ITALIANS FIRST, AND THEN THE HITLER���S GERMANS CAME, MOVING ALL THEIR TROOPS AND TANKS FROM THE RUSSIAN FRONT OCCUPYING FINALLY & DESTROYED GREECE FOR YEARS.
        THIS DELAYED AND KEPT GERMANS BUSY THUS SAVED RUSSIA, AND EVENTUALLY HELPED ALL THE OTHERS [US, RUSSIA, ETC.] DEFEAT GERMANY, FREEING EUROPE [FRANCE, POLAND, ITALY, ... ] , AND THE WHOLE WORLD FROM THE NAZIS [GERMANY , ITALY, JAPAN]
        GREEKS FOUGHT FOR THEIR AND THE WHOLE WORLD���S FREEDOM, AND THEY PAID THE PRICE. NOT ONLY THEN, BUT ALSO IN WORLD WAR 1.
        THE GREEKS FOUGHT FOR THE FREEDOM OF JEWS, AND UNDERGROUND GREEK PATRIOTS GAVE THEM SHELTER EVEN DURING GERMAN OCCUPATION.
        HOW MANY SMALL LIKE GREECE OR EVEN BIGEER COUNTRIES HAVE DONE THIS?
        THE COUNTRY's ECONOMY DESTROYED FROM THE ASSOCIATION WITH THE EURO AND THE EUROPEAN COMMUNITY WHICH RAISED THE COST OF LIVING VERY HIGH!!!

        GREECE HAS INVENTED DEMOCRACY & GAVE IT TO TO THE WORLD, AMONG OTHER THINGS: OLYMPIC GAMES, PHILOSOPHY, IDEAS, ETC. ETC..
      • Harold 10 months ago
        greeks at war. very soon
    • Cpt Insano  •  10 months ago
      No to mention We the USA will be pitching in on this IMF deal. I don't care if your republican or Democrat you should be up in arms about us helping out to bailing out Greece and intern bailing out the German(and other euro) banks.
      • Michael 10 months ago
        Where did you get this information? How much is the US puting in?
      • bladerider 10 months ago
        We aren't pitching in cr$p, consider the source's handle name.
      • Cpt Insano 10 months ago
        IMF funds are pooled from a group of countries and guess what we are one of those countries.
    • DeerHunter46  •  10 months ago
      This situation would be laughable if it weren't so sad... Greek austerity measures ..a loan.. and an already deflationary economy still equals a default.. Then what are you going to do about the rest of the PIIGS?.. Germany, France or the EU won't be so willing to keep bailing out everyone else.
    • don s  •  10 months ago
      They are STEALING from their younger citizens, just like Pinhead (obama) is doing to our young
      Americans. Where is the borrowing going...........to bailout bankers, unions, special interests and Stock broker fat cats. Does that sound familiar?
    • Cpt Insano  •  10 months ago
      Well it(Greece) strengthened the Euro - or consequestly weakened the Dollar - Weak dollar = market increases. In 6 months we will be back to this problem. The illusion of inflation stealing your buying power but hey look the markets up!
    • SammyDarlin  •  10 months ago
      Here's a new factoid for you.
      (Says a lot about our priorities)
      1. Cost of War------Iraq, Afghanistan & Pakistan since 9/11
      $3.7T to $4.4T
      2. Totality of Veteran Benefits paid to date to 1.25 M Soldiers
      $32.6B to date and $934B thru 2050
      This is an insult........more like a rounding error in contrast.
      Wonder why we have the Deficit we have?
      Worst of all, the lives lost, and the lives damaged and changed forever in the 10's of thousands.
      Source: Brown University,Watson Institute for International Studies.
      • A Yahoo! User 10 months ago
        here's another factoid. you've cherry picked your stats, in order to embellish your punk agenda. anyone with half of a brain can see through your meager charade. why don't you go somewhere and see if you can find a pair of balls?
      • A Yahoo! User 10 months ago
        here's another factoid. you've cherry picked your stats, in order to embellish your punk agenda. anyone with half of a brain can see through your meager charade. why don't you go somewhere and see if you can find a pair of balls?
      • iii 10 months ago
        Sammy, you are a moron. Cost of war is 4T which has ALREADY BEEN PAID OVER 10 YEARS.

        We are currently PROJECTING a 1.6T deficit that will grow even bigger next year.

        HOW IN THE H3LL does 4T spent in the past have ANY bearing on money spent in the future?

        Bush carried a deficit, but that deficit was NEVER near Obama's deficit. Furthermore, I would be willing to bet that the deficit (1.6T) is more than the total deficit Bush ran up.
    • Bobby Wiesenblam  •  10 months ago
      That's the way it goes. It's ALL a charade, from shore to shore, all around the world. The point is, everything will be 'fine.' The euro will survive just fine, so will Germany, and so will the Greek elites. The one thing that's sure is that these doomsday scenarios just aint gonna happen. Please, shut your traps about contagion and cataclysm. Guess what, smoke and mirrors work. China is in Greece already! They practically own Piraeus and Greeks! China can sneeze on Greece and voila they are rescued. The only problem here is this madness from Aaron and Henry.
    • korok malfesio  •  10 months ago
      Continuing civil unrest in Greece guarantees default. The Greek people can force elections. The new government will face the same problems as the old government, which will lead to more riots. The Greek people do no understand that they have come to a something or nothing fork in the road. Oddly enough, nothing will produce social enlightenment. So, as Marie Antoinette supposedly said of the starving French peasants, "Let them eat cake." It's the meal of choice at the bottom of the barrel.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  10 months ago
      So why keep looking to the past? I have heard these kind of comments and commentary for a long time. The question is: When will Greece default? Will the rioters in the streets bring down the government? Will there be a military coup? If so which side will it support?

      If the EU and its profligate banks fail will it be a partial failure or a wipe out of the whole system and a return to the individual currencies before 1999.

      And as for the U.S., what happens when similar stresses hit here. The U.S. has an ossified political system too. What happens when the commitments to the bankers made by U.S. politicians cause them to drive through similar austerity measures. Where will the U.S. population turn for relief from both the Democratic and Republican parties?

      Is this not just a financial crisis but a crisis of government and even a crisis of democracy? Could not the world look very different in just a few short years? Please stop rehashing the moldy arguments over debt restructuring and look to the implications of probable failure of the whole system both in Europe and the U.S.
    • Chris  •  10 months ago
      Don S below states that they are "stealing from their younger citizens," and he claims this is what Obama is doing. This why we are on the precipous of disaster: because fools like Don here have no idea what is really going on.

      Don, how did this entire economic mess happen? Overnight? There is no just one cause to this mess; several factors came together to cause this. Banks lending money, not for the long run, but because they gained short-term transaction fees for the deals. Governments refusing to tax enough or reduce spending enough (especially in relation to pensions and other entitlements) to remain solvent over the longer run. Huge spending (in the U.S.'s case) on foreign wars (the lastest number reported today is 3.7 TRILLION for our two wars). Housing markets that collasped, and that collasped in part because banks WANTED THEM TO.

      Hey dude, this is the responsibility for both political parties over YEARS of mistakes.
    • SammyDarlin  •  10 months ago
      Yes, it's been going on for a decade now.
      Also, it's not just monetary issues, but will our younger citizens be able to breathe or find clean water or be able to trust that their medications, food etc. are safe?
      There are many issues that are not being addressed by our Congress, and our Supreme Court has become a joke.............it is now a political machine.
      I think our younger generation will change things, as they discuss the serious issues facing our country, and they have new and brighter vision.
    • Dpendable  •  10 months ago
      What's the big deal with the imminent failure of Greece? The European Union is a failed experiment only in existence for what 14 years. Cripe they couldn't even get the Brits to join. I say throw Greece to the wolves and forget the Euro. Short term pain....long term gain.
    • Sundog  •  10 months ago
      To fix the problem, you've first got drastically reduce those professions that have essentially become "jobs programs" -- govt workers, teachers, social workers, etc.
    • George  •  10 months ago
      The Bernacke solution has been to bail out the world by creating depreciating dollars to bail out central banks and foreign countries with dollar reserves, while keeping short rates at zero in the US so that those who borrow short and lend long to governments can rake in the nominal profits necessary to stay afloat. a la the lifeboats in the titanic.

      That is why the smart money is in commodities and precious metals. and believe it or not residential real estate. Inflation is finally catching up in the emerging markets including china and coming home here, the source of money and credit. Dollar holders everywhere are paying the bill.

      Yes the money illusion tax on savers will have again bailed out the borrowers and the politicos who have so screwed up governments everywhere including here.

      competition and simple economics is working to optimize the value of paper money and credits, and costs of production. Our friend is not government regulation, intervention or deficit spending but simple competition, the ultimate regulator that even the FED and Treasury and all the emerging market potentates cannot control.

      Stay optimistic! The US is gradually becoming the most competitive economic force again, as costs continue to rise faster in the emerging market economies. Keep the safety nets for the unemployed and essential services going but eliminate useless wars, subsidies, tax credits, and bailouts (foreign and domestic) and we will be fine. If necessary, THROW THE BUMS OUT, again (both save-the- world war hawks and proifligate spenders).
    • Ken  •  10 months ago
      I agree with the charade of Greece, but how is this different than the USA? We are the in the same boat, yet we talk and give advice as if we are perched in a higher moral position. In my opinion, the USA has no credibility in the world market right now and we shouldn't.
    • Joe  •  10 months ago
      The Euro is doomed..BIG time.
    • kraven head  •  10 months ago
      too much ouzo drinking and bttfcking.
    • Jean guy Levesque  •  10 months ago
      When Blodget speaks he sounds intelligent, Aaron Task sounds like a complete fool...

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