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    James Altucher: The Dow’s Going to 20,000 But DON’T Buy Stocks

    Among all the regular guests on The Daily Ticker (nee Tech Ticker), few have been as consistently bullish as James Altucher of Formula Capital. (See: "It's Paid to Be Bullish": James Altucher Demands Apology from Mish, Roubini)

    Heading into Friday major averages were up 9 of 11 sessions and hovering near the highest levels since Spring 2008. So you might think Altucher would be ready to declare "victory" and turn cautious. Instead, he is upping the ante on his bullish call, predicting the Dow will hit 20,000 and the S&P will eclipse 2000 before the current rally runs its course.

    "When I'm really going to be worried is by 2013-14 when we could be seeing bubble proportions," he says. "Right now, why would you back off on this economy when a $1 trillion is about to get flushed down?"

    Noting monetary policy works with a lag, Altucher believes QE2 hasn't yet hit the economy, but it will in the coming months. "There's going to be dips and volatility but I think the economy's going to boom once the QE2 stimulus funds actually hit the economy," he says. "Absolutely I'm bullish on the economy and the stock market. "

    Bullishness from Altucher is nothing new, as faithful viewers know. But today's call comes with a twist: Even while predicting huge gains ahead, he recommends 99% of investors avoid the stock market.

    As discussed in the accompanying video and detailed on his blog, Altucher has a list of Reasons Not to Buy Stocks, which I'll summarize here:

    It's really hard and very few people are successful at it. The very best investors in the world can only consistently produce 10% to 15% annual returns, so what hope is there for the rest of us?

    The competition is ruthless, relentless and better connected (literally and figuratively) than the rest of us.

    It's mostly a scam. In addition to insider trading and other outright frauds, "I would never ever trust any number that comes out on a 10Q, no matter how GAAP compliant it is," he writes. "Enron was GAAP compliant."

    Ownership has its privileges. Citing legendary investors like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, Altucher notes "the guys who make real stock market wealth never diversify and never sell" — and they also have 100s of millions of shares in the companies they run and/or founded. "Then there's the other 100 million people who own stocks."

    For those "really determined" to ignore Altucher's advice and buy stocks, he recommends buying index funds or closed-end funds, or "wait for another 2008 and buy a large basket of stocks and really ride them -- and you have to really ride them through all the volatility."

    Aaron Task is the host of The Daily Ticker. You can follow him on Twitter at @atask or email him at altask@yahoo.com

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    296 comments

    • Steven  •  1 year 1 month ago
      "The average person" does not know what to do and when to do it or how to do it. But the same date holds true for "the average stock broker".
      • worriedDad 1 year 0 months ago
        so you agree with altucher!!! So do I.
      • markH 1 year 0 months ago
        altucher is an idiot.
      • Pat Walsh 1 year 0 months ago
        stock brokers are pond scum.thats their good point.
    • Fiscal Conservative  •  1 year 1 month ago
      Altucher's advice is rediculous and hypocritical. Here's a summary of his advice:

      1) Don't go to college. He has degrees from Cornell and Carnegie Mellon University, two of the best and more expensive universities in the US. Sorry, but my college education was by far the best investment I have ever made.

      2) Don't invest in stocks. Altucher is a hedge fund manager who was bullish on stocks when most people had lost hope. I guess that's ok for him because he's so smart. But the rest of us are too stupid to make money in the stock market. I guess it must have been some incredible stroke of good luck that allowed me to make 9.5% on average for the last 18 years.

      Altucher says owning stocks is too risky for most people and we should all start a business with our money instead. Since when is starting a business is a risk-free proposition? Maybe he should read up on new business failure statistics. Sorry, but Altucher's advice doesn't make sense to me.
      • PT 1 year 1 month ago
        you make some good points. But I do like to hear a contrarian view like Altucher's. I also benefited from college and an advanced degree, but there are lots of college students that simply don't belong in college. With virtually no financial barrier to entry (guaranteed student loans), the demand is huge, thus prices go up, and the benefits for those students are diminishing. As Altucher has pointed out, even a failed business venture will teach you more than college ever could.
      • Stockrunner 1 year 1 month ago
        Rather than bash a contrarian view, try to understand the logic behind it. Althucher is obviously more succesful than you or I (if the measurement of success is $$) Funny how most mock Altucher for offering up an opinion outside the "American Norm". I dont think he said anything about "risk free" and agree with him most often on challenging conventional wisdom.
      • Valhalla360 1 year 1 month ago
        Stockrunner: by his own logic it's mostly luck to be successful so why should his opinion matter more?
    • archie1338  •  1 year 1 month ago
      Yeah, the DOW might be 20,000 but in nominal terms, the dollar will be worthless. 20,000 in the future might as well be 8,000 several years ago.
      • CharlieK 1 year 1 month ago
        I am inclined to agree with you, but what is the alternative?
      • None 1 year 1 month ago
        swiss francs
      • touh 1 year 1 month ago
        Yah buy gold and guns because that's what makes America great! Circle the wagons, abandon ship.

        Please wake up and realize you live in the greatest country in history. Put your faith in your country!
    • Patrick C  •  1 year 1 month ago
      If no one buys stocks, won't the DOW go down?
      • Somebody Else 1 year 1 month ago
        Can't spell DOWN with DOW.
      • A Yahoo! User 1 year 1 month ago
        If no one buys stocks, Stock brokers and analysts will have no one to steal from. Most companies will cease to exist, as they are only worth what their stock is worth, and that is just paper. Most who work in the financial industry are just crooks, so don't put your money aout there to be taken by a crook.
      • Adam 1 year 0 months ago
        Don't you want it to go down?

        Buy low - sell high.
        Now it's time to sell.

        You know how to short stocks?
        The pros do!
    • Jeff  •  1 year 1 month ago
      Why do you put nuts like this on TV. Could scare some people to death. I have stayed fully invested and my funds are at a all time high.I am a long time investor and do not jump on and off the bandwagon.
    • Scott  •  1 year 1 month ago
      that is why you ignore all crap that comes from the tv period....do your own research and make your own informed decision...not on some piss ants who pump and dump all day long on these financial shows...
      • Zeon 1 year 0 months ago
        I make my living trading stocks. I follow my own advice and manage risk myself. I do fairly well, better than I did when I was a wage slave. Haven't had a losing month since February 2009.
      • MICHAEL 1 year 0 months ago
        Liar.
      • beegneeg 1 year 0 months ago
        The word is 'pissant'...

        Slang: Vulgar . a person or thing of no value or consequence; a despicable person or thing.
    • Jay  •  1 year 1 month ago
      I bought AAPL at 70 80 and 90 then sold, sold, and sold only because of the GRAVE situation of Steve Jobs. I certainly believed in some of what James Altucher reports about investors psychology!! His best advice came at the end of the interview, yeah I watched the whole thing, buying when the market starts to toilet like in 2008 and then buying great quality companies paying fat cash to its shareholders, and holding for a long time!!
    • Bob M  •  1 year 1 month ago
      Maybe I'm an idiot, but I don't quite understand what he's saying. The stock market is going to go straight up, but don't buy stocks?? Huh?
    • David W  •  1 year 1 month ago
      The answer is to buy cash flow. For most stocks, people buy today thinkng someone will buy from them tomorrow at a higher price. In other words, the only value that stock has is that someone has a better opinion of it tomorrow than you did today.

      In the old days, people bought equities because of their ability to create cash flow, e.g. dividends. So, you would buy AT&T for the 5% annual return, clip coupons, and keep the stock until you died. And people would figure out the value of a share of AT&T based on a cash flow analysis.

      Can you do that today? Sure. Look at REITs and my personal favorites, MLPs.
    • FUDGIE THE WHALE  •  1 year 1 month ago
      Why is there a Racoon on James' head?
    • Money Multiplier Man  •  1 year 1 month ago
      So I guess instead of making a mere 60% buying DIA as the Dow soars to 2K you should send your money to a hedge fund manager like Altucher who can make you some real money.
    • Michael  •  1 year 1 month ago
      IMHO sounds like the best chance may be a well diversified portfolio of index bond and equity funds. With the equity funds diversified between international, large cap, mid cap and small cap. Indexes only. No fund managers to mess things up. No individual stocks. And, adjust equity allocation for age and risk tolerance.

      If you're 50% in equities and if the market tanks a whole lot like 50% your portfolio only goes down 25%. And, that ignores bond gains. So, there's a better chance you'll stay in until the market goes back up and not sell at the bottom.and lock in your loss.
    • Steven  •  1 year 1 month ago
      he's a idiot....he's selling controversial statements because it gets him visibility and $$$$
    • Raj  •  1 year 0 months ago
      This is a classic case of of just wanting to grab attention with making an eye catching headline followed by some senseless rambling to fill in the spot. The ridiculousness of the content simply astounds me. What a trash content supported by yahoo, they could do a lot better.. Yahoo, please respect the intelligence of the people browsing this site with some quality content.
    • Adam Smith, Jr.  •  1 year 1 month ago
      So, I shouldn't try because it's difficult, and the odds are against me? That's the American Spirit!
    • Julia  •  1 year 1 month ago
      what a ding dong... a cautious and educated investor can make plenty of money in the stock market.
    • Patrick  •  1 year 1 month ago
      Here is some advice for Altucher: get some braces, brush your teeth, ask someone to help you dress yourself before you leave your house.
    • Al C  •  1 year 1 month ago
      Perhaps he should invest in a new haircut.
    • Christopher  •  1 year 1 month ago
      I think all he is really saying is don't waste time trying to beat the market, you'll spend time and lose money because short-term trading is a rigged game. Which is a good message that anyone with 1/2 a brain can deliver.

      The "dow to 20K but don't buy stocks" statement is just a sensationalist b.s. one liner to get him on webTV and you reading the article
    • Jimbo  •  1 year 1 month ago
      You can tell by the subtle smirk on the faces of the two guys doing the interview that they do indeed feel that they are interviewing a cartoon character.

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