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    “No Downside” to Not Raising the Debt Ceiling, Says Chris Whalen

    The U.S. Congress has a little less than two months to raise the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling or possibly default on its debt. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner says not allowing the Treasury to raise the debt limit would be "catastrophic" for the economy.

    Geithner is crying wolf according to Chris Whalen, a banking industry analyst and co-founder of Institutional Risk Analytics. Whalen argues Congress should vote against raising the debt ceiling unless they agree to major spending cuts. "Congress has the right to say 'no' and the people of the United States have a right to say 'no' we don't want to issue more debt," he tells Aaron Task in the accompanying clip.

    Furthermore, Geithner's assessment is downright wrong, Whalen says. In his professional opinion, not raising the debt ceiling has "no downside" as the government can continue to pay off its debt for months before defaulting. In the meantime, some of its bill might go unpaid, but debt holders won't suffer, at least right away.

    Whalen first made his thoughts known about the debt ceiling in a Reuters opinion piece published in April.

    "My view is that Congress should vote down any debt ceiling measure unless President Obama agrees to sign the balanced budget amendment. Even if Secretary Geithner has to run the US government on cash, like the good people of Iceland and Ireland today, it will be a good thing for America's political debate to default — at least for a few weeks. Then people will know that the once unthinkable is very possible."

    At the time, Whalen's comments were viewed as radical, and some say still are. However, in recent weeks, he seems to be gaining more support from some of Wall Street's heavy hitters. For example, in a recent interview with the Wall Street Journal hedge fund billionaire Stanley Druckenmiller echoed some of Whalen's rhetoric.

    "Here are your two options: piece of paper number one—let's just call it a 10-year Treasury. So I own this piece of paper. I get an income stream obviously over 10 years . . . and one of my interest payments is going to be delayed, I don't know, six days, eight days, 15 days, but I know I'm going to get it. There's not a doubt in my mind that it's not going to pay, but it's going to be delayed. But in exchange for that, let's suppose I know I'm going to get massive cuts in entitlements and the government is going to get their house in order so my payments seven, eight, nine, 10 years out are much more assured."

    No one knows what will happen if the Congress does not raise the debt limit or if there's even a good chance of it happening, but Whalen is holding out hope: "If we don't have consequences in politics then we end up with what we've seen in the last 30 years, which is a permanent political class."

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    232 comments

    • edward j  •  10 months ago
      Forty to fifty years ago President Johnson used the expression "Guns and Butter," meaning we could fight the war in Vietnam and still have prosperity at home at the same time. Well we can not go to war and have prosperity at home at the same time without going heavily into debt. President Bush decided we could go to war in Afganistan and Iraq and at time same time cut taxes. Mind you, not raise taxes to pay for the war but cut taxes. Why is anyone surprised, after events like this, that we are so heavily in debt. If we keep cutting taxes, especially if we also go to war, sooner or later foreignors are not going to be so willing to buy our debt (Treasuries). If you ask me, Americans who buy our country's debt today do it out of pure patriotism; I for one would certainly NOT be willing to invest any money in US Treasuries.
    • Ben Dover  •  10 months ago
      When Congress says "no" the troops come home, the President and the administration are forced to cut spending, and Treasury can't issue any more debt. I fail to see the downside here.
      • JimC 10 months ago
        Clean your glasses and look again. There's a truck coming at you and you have missed it.
    • Zorba  •  10 months ago
      LOWER the debt ceiling.
    • Tom Elting  •  10 months ago
      Chris Whalen is right on the debt issue.
    • Martin  •  10 months ago
      When is prudent to give someone more money when they have wasted, mishandled, and squandered all that you have given them so far. Not only that. Behind your back they have borrowed more money than you have given them and have done so with the knowledge that they will not be responsible to pay it back but you and even your children, and possibly your grandchildren will be. To blame those who have money and say they must pay more is more than criminal. Get rid of every program and government job that wasn't in place since JFK was president. Along with those whose only purpose is to turn America into a Socialist Society. ( Democrates)
      • Spence 10 months ago
        Uneducated analysis, you need some macro econ lessons
    • A Yahoo! User  •  10 months ago
      If you don't raise the debt limit, interest rates on US debt will go up and debt service costs will go rise. This in turn would raise the deficit, but no benefits would be received. This is a long term problem that both parties are at fault for, and will take a long term solution. Not something you can fix with just spending cuts or a silly no vote and go home. Not raising the debt limit now is nothing short of knee jerk and will have the opposite affect of what most want. It is sad how financially illiterate most of americans are. Hope everyone's favorite president was Clinton since he is the only one who cared about balancing the budget. But for some reason I am sure 50% of you hated him with a passion. Probably the same ones who now so emphatically want a balanced budget. Signed someone who cared about congress meeting at 2:00 a.m. 10's of times in the past to raise the debt ceiling when no one else blinked an eye. Ignorance is everywhere and it is ruining this country
      • Valerie 10 months ago
        If they raise the limit, that means they will continue to borrow money, which they are already struggling to pay as it is. Bottom line is, to cut spending. It's either that, or our taxes go up even more than it already has
    • Technician  •  10 months ago
      Whalen and Druckenmiller are examples of those "let's default for now and see what happens later" type of dangerous minds who could care less about what happens to the millions of citizens already hanging on their teeth because of this miserable mess created by people like these self serving hypocrites.

      With their assured paychecks and money n the bank, they are willing to foster the additional misery just to satisfy their cold blooded viewpoints. This is the kind of thinking that has brought this great nation to the brink of ruin.......posturing politicians on one hand and greedy ideologues on the other.
    • Monica  •  10 months ago
      One of the problems is having a President that knows nothing about balancing a check book. He believeshe can spend and keep spending without any consequences. He will leave a big debt for our future generations. He is not helping, he should be removed from the office of President. Congress should stay firm and say no to more spending.
      • fred 10 months ago
        Are you talking about Bush?
    • gaius gracchus  •  10 months ago
      WHY did the Republicans not take a stand on this when George W. Bush raised it EIGHT times during his presidency? How come a balanced budget was not important THEN?????

      Dubya (Georgie Porgie) RAISED IT FROM 5.9 TRILLION TO OVER 11 TRILLION IN EIGHT YEARS!

      Oh, but now, all of a sudden, Repugs want to stop raising it and to have a balanced budget.

      GET REAL. Hypocrites.
      • TIM CLARK 10 months ago
        Actually, if you go to the US Treasury site, you will see that GW's share of the debt went from 5.7 to 10.6 T, or 4.9 T over eight years. Obama has taken it from 10.6T to 14.3 T or 3.7 T in three years. If you divide the amount by the years, you will get a feel for the copious increase by Obama.

        Oh wait, you're a Democrat. Have someone do the figures for you, it's way too complicated.
      • Spence 10 months ago
        Yes the debt has gone up since Obama came into office in Jan 2009 but you might have noticed that the US economy is still suffering from the worst recession since the great depression. This has caused additional expenses (unemployment insurance, etc.) and receipts are down because less people are working. Your fuzzy partisan math doesn't add up.
      • gary 10 months ago
        There are larger numbers than trillion. How about quadrillion then quintillion.
        This is just the start.
    • Cowboy Mike  •  10 months ago
      One or two voices in the wilderness still deny the sky is falling. It looks like we are going to find out who is right. Comparing the budgetary process in a household to the federal government is simply naive. If a household defaults, it is the main victim. If a government like ours defaults, the international financial system is put in jeopardy. The current isolationist trend in the US says "so what". The what is that the US dollar will no longer be the international currency for oil and other commodities, resulting in the crash of its value and resulting inflation and high interest rates for Americans. Oil will be at least $200 a barrel if we are lucky. Who benefits? The Chinese and Euro zone countries. Practicality requires that the debt ceiling be raised soon if only for 3 months while negotiations continue.
    • Doug Morgan  •  10 months ago
      Amen!
    • END_MONEY_LOBBYING  •  11 months ago
      Chris Walen = retard.
    • WarParty2012  •  11 months ago
      Cut comgress's pay and benifits by 10% a year until the budget is balanced. Maybe then they wont keep kicking the can down the road.
    • BP  •  11 months ago
      Lets bring our troops home and stop burning money in the sands of the Middle East
    • Cornholio  •  11 months ago
      Has Chris Whalen been wrong before? Yes. Do I still love this guy? YES! When he makes statements like "we need to change the fundamental behavior of the U.S. Government, for example funding our military for overseas wars...", well, that's what I'm talking about. Let's turn over Congress by 40% every election and get er' done.
    • boat man  •  11 months ago
      we the people. have got news for washington, we the people are broke, we can not feed our familys, buy a tank full of gas, find a good paying job, buy medine we need, and our homes have been taken back by the banks or they are not worth a dime, in 2010 taxes we paid MORE taxes on your labor, and our real estate, you washington pro's keep stealing ALL you want and vote the way washington stacks the money. we the people working american people are BROKE>>>> we the people
    • Jon M  •  11 months ago
      They need to make the budget a math equation, not a spend first, then figure out how to pay later. To think we can "grow" our economy out of any spending problem is like a fat person saying they will exercise more later.
    • Boris  •  11 months ago
      What is so difficult about the concept of not spending money you don't have?
    • webzeppelin  •  11 months ago
      "If we don't have consequences in politics then we end up with what we've seen in the last 30 years..." This is funny ���well...sad really. Politics has become one in the same with our justice system. There are no consequences for criminals (or politicians)...The only consequences levied are on the victims (A.K.A. taxpayers)
    • Tailgunnar  •  11 months ago
      Whalen addresses the need for 40% turnover per election. Why dont we have term limits so that we can GUARANTEE high turnover every election?

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