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    S&P Slammed After U.S. Downgrade

    By Zachary Roth

    Days after Standard & Poor's downgraded the United States' credit rating, a powerful backlash has set in against the move. Washington leaders of both parties, as well as investors, have seemed to shrug off the ratings agency's verdict--and some analysts have even raised questions about S&P's basic competence and credibility.

    On Friday, S&P lowered its rating for long-term debt issued by the U.S. Treasury by one notch, from Triple A--its highest rating--to AA+. Explaining the move, it said Washington hadn't done enough to reduce the long-term deficit, and expressed doubt about the ability of political leaders to work together to solve the problem.

    After the recent crisis over raising the debt ceiling, those concerns--especially the latter--appear valid. But by lowering the U.S. rating, S&P is saying that it now sees an increased chance that the Treasury won't repay its debts in the future--even though Congress did ultimately vote to raise the ceiling, avoiding a default.

    And that's where many observers differ with S&P. Take a look at the financial markets: It's true that, so far this week, Wall Street and foreign markets have nosedived. But that descent began last week, before the downgrade. More important, far from running away from U.S. Treasury bonds, investors are flocking to them, suggesting that they see the chances of a default as slimmer than ever.

    "The downgrade of U.S. sovereign credit by S&P on Friday reflects facts that have been well known to the market for some time," said Blackrock, the world's largest asset management firm, in a statement Monday. "So, it does not imply a fundamental increase in risk, and we don't believe that investors should change their behavior based solely on the downgrade."

    President Obama appears to agree. "No matter what some agency may say, we've always been and always will be a AAA country," he declared Monday.

    Former Federal Reserve chair Alan Greenspan, too, said Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press" that he sees no risk in investing in U.S. Treasuries--though the judgment of the economic planner known as "the maestro" hasn't always proved infallible.

    Many economists argue, essentially, that the United States isn't going to fail to pay its debts. "The debt is issued in dollars. That means it is payable in dollars. The U.S. government prints dollars," wrote Dean Baker of the liberal Center for Economic and Policy Research Saturday. "This means that if for some reason the government was unable to tax or borrow to raise the money to pay its debt then it could always print it. This may carry a risk of inflation, but S&P is not in the business of making inflation predictions, they are in the business of assessing the likelihood that debt will be repaid."

    S&P is the world's largest ratings agency. In most cases, its business model is based on charging the issuers of debt--private corporations, local and state governments, for instance--in exchange for a rating. The issuer then uses a positive rating to give investors confidence in the solidity of the investment. But S&P also rates the debt of 126 countries. And, like many of the countries whose debt is rated by S&P, the United States neither requests nor pays for its rating.

    S&P had warned earlier last month that if the debt ceiling negotiations failed to result in a deficit-reduction package worth at least $4 trillion, it would downgrade the U.S. rating. And now that the agency has delivered on that threat, S&P's critics argue that the credit raters are digging in on what amounts to a self-fulfilling prophecy. The decision "smacked of an institution starting with a conclusion and shaping any arguments to fit it" declared Gene Sperling, a top White House economics adviser, over the weekend.

    It hasn't helped S&P's credibility that the Obama administration pointed out what it calls a "$2 trillion error" in how the ratings agency calculated the deficit over the next decade. "They've shown a stunning lack of knowledge about basic U.S. fiscal budget math," said Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner.

    But David Beers, who runs the S&P unit that rates government debt, told ABC News Monday he "absolutely" does not have second thoughts about the move.

    Geithner, said Beers, "acknowledged the damage that was done to the U.S. reputation because of the controversy over the debt ceiling ... He also acknowledged that the underlying public finances of the U.S. government are on an unsustainable path."

    "So we have this paradox here," Beers continued, "where the Treasury Secretary seems to agree with the thrust of our analysis, he just rejects [our rating]."

    It's true that the administration's stance in some ways fits awkwardly with its previous position. For months, the White House had argued that Republicans' unwillingness to consider tax increases was jeopardizing the country's long-term fiscal health. In its report on the downgrade, S&P made clear that it shares that view, noting that the downgrade came about in part because "the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues." But now the administration appears to reject the notion that the GOP's uncompromising stance threatens future U.S. solvency.

    Still, it's not just Team Obama that isn't lining up behind S&P. Rep. Eric Cantor, the number two Republican in the House, urged his colleagues Monday to maintain a hard line against tax increases, despite S&P's clear statement that it acted in part because of Republican intransigence on the issue.

    Other critics have sought to undercut S&P by noting its key role, along with the other leading ratings agencies, in inflating the housing bubble and paving the way for the financial crisis. S&P and other credit-rating agencies slapped AAA ratings on a slew of non-prime mortgage deals, long after their true value had become clear to many analysts--perhaps because they're paid by the banks whose deals they're rating, giving them an apparent incentive to offer favorable assessments. "It could be structured by cows and we would rate it," one S&P analyst wrote to another in 2007.

    "I don't know what makes them experts at this," said Rep. Brad Sherman, a California Democrat and frequent critic of credit-rating operations, in a statement issued Monday in response to the downgrade. "Obviously, they got it pretty wrong in mortgage-backed securities."

    And S&P hasn't just missed the mark in sizing up the viability of toxic mortgage assets. As Nate Silver of the New York Times noted Monday, the agency's assessments of the likelihood of various countries defaulting on their debt in recent years also appear shaky. Silver, a respected statistical analyst, called S&P's ratings "substandard and porous."

    Elsewhere in the blogosphere, there have even been questions about S&P's basic competence. "To say that S&P analysts aren't the sharpest tools in the drawer is a massive understatement," writes one prominent finance blogger and former lawyer for an investment bank, who claims to have had "extensive" experience with all three major ratings agencies. "These guys personify amateur hour."

    And Monday, Moody's, the second largest ratings agency, released its own report, confirming that it's maintaining the United State's triple-A rating. The country, said Moody's, enjoys "unmatched access to financing, meaning that the U.S. government can support higher debt levels than other governments."

    Moody's added that it expects to see more progress made toward cutting the deficit. "Although the political process has been considerably more contentious than usual in the past few months, it finally did produce an agreement. We expect further fiscal measures over time, albeit with vigorous debate over the particulars."

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    2,758 comments

    • cyndi  •  9 months ago
      gave triple A ratings to ENRON, Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae consistently until the end.
      • Bill 9 months ago
        Don't forget, they gave AAA to Lehman Bros, WorldCom and GM!!!
      • blondie 9 months ago
        In other words, S&P has NO CREDIBILITY WHATSOEVER.
      • JJ 9 months ago
        Enron always paid their debts until the very end
    • Marc Barnes  •  9 months ago
      For all the finger pointing blamers out there, the blame falls on the entire government. The 14 trillion and empty Social Security fund didn't happen in the last 2 years. It took Republicans and Democrats and 30+ years of bad policy geared at personal satisfaction and corporate cronyism.
      • JK 9 months ago
        Absolutely.....thus the Tea Party has sprung up to defend what's left.
      • LockNLoad 9 months ago
        while you may be right - you need to tell the gov't this - not Americans. All this administration has done for 2+ years is blame Bush....
      • magnajoe 9 months ago
        Empty SS fund??? Nice talking point but SS is solvent for at least 20 years and isn't the cause of our debt problem. We have a revenue problem with the corporate giveaways to the rich, the wars, unfunded mandates and running the middle class into the ground by outsourcing. But it's easy to blame the poor and the elderly...
    • viking45  •  9 months ago
      Remember, this is the same company that rated bundles of losing mortgages as AAA
      • Hello 9 months ago
        Which is the one of the points in the article. Did you read it?
      • Eikichi Onizuka 9 months ago
        FY 2007-2008 public debt increased by 1 trillion. From FY 2008-2009 public debt increased by 1.8 trillion. Bush passed the budget responsible for the single largest annual debt increase in history of 1.8 trillion folks.Clinton left Bush a $300 billion annual surplus.
        I bet most of those sipping the GOP Kool Aid thought that the money to pay for the 2 trillion in tax cuts, 2 trillion in wars, and trillions in lost revenue due to financial collapse came out of a magic hat.
      • Victor 9 months ago
        The mortgage backed securities were secured by the United States Government. These securities were backed by the United States Government because they were created by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The government severed as a surety for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac because they were Government Sponsored entities. Therefore, because the U.S. Government secured the debt it received the government’s debt rating. It is sort of like an adult putting their kids name on one of their credit cards. The debt on the card is secured by the parent and has the parent’s credit rating even though it is the kid who is doing the spending.
    • DSC  •  9 months ago
      One does have to wonder the validity of a company that during a much worse economy continued high ratings for AIG, Lehman, Fannie, Freddie and on and on... Something seems off based...
      • kiko 9 months ago
        I WONDER IF THEY MADE MONEY ON THIS ONE
      • Tigran 9 months ago
        if they did i really hope the SEC finds out and shuts them down! alng with moody's and fitch
      • Ryan 9 months ago
        just like with the stock market, i'm sure there was some insider trading issues going on behind closed doors. either way they lost more credibility, not that any bank truly has one
    • Gone Fishing  •  9 months ago
      Someone had a hidden agenda. Find out who gained the most money from this and thats when you will start getting answers.
      • mac1972 9 months ago
        Short sellers. Those who profit off higher interest rates. Oil. Lower dollar long term means higher oil prices; it's down now, but just wait. I'd look hard at commodities right now.
      • Wolfgangjr 9 months ago
        Your congressmen didn't loose any money in this crisis, or the last.
      • A Yahoo! User 9 months ago
        George Soros
    • OINK !  •  9 months ago
      And this is the company that gave Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac a AAA+ rating ?
    • Halancc  •  9 months ago
      S&P are one of the whores of the rating agencies (along with Fitch and Moody's) who rated securities backed by subprime loans as investment grade securities even though they knew that the loans were basically junk. The only reason that they gave rated junk bonds as grade A security was that their commissions paid to them by Wall Street was based on how high they rated the securities. So they played a role in the housing debacle. S&P are like the prostitute who got arrested but said she was not guilty because the john approached her.

      In fact, I have more respect for the hookers in Vegas than I do for S&P. At least the women in Vegas know they are hookers and don't try to pass themselves off as something else. S&P are one of the biggest whores on Wall Street but try to seem as if they are unbiased. Look at their annual report for the past few years and see where most of their income comes from and who pays thems. I wouldn't be surprised if Goldman Sachs was told about the downgrade ahead of time so they could sell the dollar short and make out like the crooks they really are.
    • Pertnear  •  9 months ago
      "I don't know what makes them experts at this," said Rep. Brad Sherman, "Obviously, they got it pretty wrong in mortgage-backed securities."

      I could not have said it better myself - who are these guys and why is our market responding to what they say?
    • cyndi  •  9 months ago
      I think right now, my money is safer inside my mattress
    • Free Radical  •  9 months ago
      It's ALL smoke and mirrors. Lobbyists and investors still rule the day.
    • TopCat  •  9 months ago
      I give S&P a C minus. That's my rating and I'm sticking to it.
    • Martin  •  9 months ago
      corruption everywhere
    • Draksig  •  9 months ago
      Someone needs to check to see if any of the upper managment of S&P made money by shorting the stock market.
    • Danny  •  9 months ago
      We cannot pay debt because we send to many of our dollars to China. Every time you buy from them, the money leaves here, and becomes theirs, by the billions, a few dollars at a time. Americas (lost) wealth was achieved by manufacturing and selling goods to the world. They bought, their money became ours.Americans all worked, and paid taxes toward the budget. (Rather than sucking of the gubment teet) China is doing that now, and we are helping them along, while screwing ourselves. The more jobs here...the more cash influx to us, and the more taxes paid in for a balanced budget.
    • GK Chesterton  •  9 months ago
      S&P gave Lehmans AAA before they collapsed. I wonder where that put's the US Govt.......
    • Karen  •  9 months ago
      It is time that we stop printing money and start creating new jobs and making money!
    • Dallas  •  9 months ago
      if we quit borrowing money and pay back the money we owe, we would not have these problems. the rich got richer on these policies, they should be part of the solution. i am not a lefties but i also understamd the some people ore paying their fair share and others are not. adding more taxes is a solution as long as it leads to no more spending. we must stop spending more.
    • Checkit  •  9 months ago
      Does anyone realize the real threat is when the American dollar is no longer used as the World reserve standard? When oil is no longer priced in American dollars? There are countries out there already planning this shift which will cause financial stress on our country and way of life that will make the current recession and issues seem like a butterfly in the wind compared to the consequences of this eventuality. We need action by the American voters, not more hate talk. Vote out all politicians, and insert real people candidates interested in starting a rebuild from our weakened state.
    • The Undeniable Truth  •  9 months ago
      I can't help but feel like this was a S&P insider trading scheme.
    • Sweet Tea  •  9 months ago
      Hey about time. Both sides of the isle are agreeing on something: That S&P holds zero creditability.

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