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    Reaction to U.S. Downgrade Shows Just How “Unimportant” Ratings Agencies Are, Eisinger Says

    When Standard & Poor's downgraded the U.S. credit rating earlier this month pundits and politicians claimed this would cause interest rates to spike and kill what little lending there was in the economy. However, the opposite has happened. Interest rates on Treasury bonds have actually fallen and T-bills continue to lead the flight to safety during the recent market turmoil.

    What does it all mean?

    "It just emphasizes the irrelevance of the ratings agencies," says Jesse Eisinger senior reporter at ProPublica and longtime critic of the ratings agencies. "I think this was a watershed moment for how unimportant the ratings agencies are."

    As The Daily Ticker's Aaron Task and Eisinger note in the accompanying clip, the market's reaction to the America's loss of AAA rating is similar to the reaction when it happened to Japan earlier this decade - nothing. Japan, downgraded in 2002, still enjoys some of the lowest borrowing costs in the world. (Earlier this week, Moody's downgraded Japan's credit rating to Aa3 from Aa2, with little or no obvious market impact.)

    The market's reaction to the S&P's downgrade of America is less shocking than the fact that anyone still pays attention to the ratings agencies, Eisinger says. "Even though markets panic, prices are a better reflection of what investors think the prospects are for a bond than an S&P opinion."

    And, what's most shocking of all is that any of these ratings agencies are still in business despite totally bungling the ratings of mortgage securities at the heart of the financial crisis. Let's not forget S&P, Moody's and Fitch rated thousands of toxic subprime loans AAA when in fact they were more like junk.

    "It's very shocking there's been so little reckoning for their disasters of the finical crisis," Eisinger says. "I think over time their franchise disappears but I've been predicting that for while and it's been totally wrong."

    As the old saying goes the market can stay irrational far longer than you can stay solvent.

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    69 comments

    • bukskinner  •  8 months ago
      So then my credit score doesn't matter? then give me my loan!!!!!!!!!!!
    • bukskinner  •  8 months ago
      So the stock market plunge after the downgrade was not connected to the downgrade? Then why have Obama and the dems been blaming the tea party since it happened
    • Another Opinion  •  8 months ago
      Rating agencies don't matter if no one trust them due to lack of credibility. We should be rated even worse than we are, but who cares because S&P has now been scape-goated and punished, as an example to the other rating agencies. It is all about confidence in the U.S. economy by our creditors.

      How can the guy say, we won't default on our debt, but we will pay you back with weaker dollars? OK...So, which of you would let me borrow money from you knowing I am going to pay you back with dollars worth say 1/3 or 1/2 or 3/4 less? In essence, you let me borrow $100 and I pay you back $25. That is a defacto default. Either this guy is playing with words (lying) or S&P needs to downgrade his education rating.
      • STEVE 8 months ago
        That makes YOU in default on any loans that you have.
    • Valhalla360  •  8 months ago
      The problem is what is the difference to the average investor between AAA & AA+? Both have almost zero chance of default, so there's little reason to justify higher rates.
      -
      Then again, who came up with a rating system where junk is C. A "C" is passing grade for most folks. If it's junk, it should be D or E.
    • Alex  •  8 months ago
      Wonderful, when the rating agencies do wrong in the eyes of the financial community, just dismiss them as irrelevant. What a joke, don't trust either.
    • anonymous  •  8 months ago
      Obama, is that you writing this morning online?
    • Larry  •  8 months ago
      Banks and wall st. own the rating agencies, therefore they are obsolete.
    • Steele  •  9 months ago
      RATING SYSTEMS ARE NOT ALWAYS RIGHT, AND AS FOR AMERICA'S RATING TO HELL WITH THEIR RATING SYSTEM. I DON'T KNOW HOW OTHER AMERICANS FEEL BUT I THINK THE RATING SYSTEMS SUCK AND ARE FULL OF CRAP.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  9 months ago
      What hasn't Obama done for the rich republican cry babies. He'll get

      re-elected for that alone. He is the funnel for public tolerance of

      the rich republican cry babies out there.... Wah... wah..... let me

      keep my lollipops..... wah.... i don't want to give back what we've

      worked so hard for to take.... like affordable health care,

      pensions, decent wages... wah... i like making 30 times what my

      workers make... wah... wah... my great grandpa would be proud of

      me.... wah... he paid 90% tax and was still rich while this country

      led the industrial revolution. they built bridges, dams, etc.. now

      we watch them all fall apart but look how rich i am.... wah...

      wah... take more away from everyone else.... wah... wah.... don't

      tax me like the old days... wah... i like paying less tax than the

      middle class.... wah.... wah..... i'm too big to fail so I get my

      bailout welfare check.... how do you like that free market

      capitalism system... the cost of living skyrockets and I get to pay

      my workers wages from over 10 years ago.... and they get to foot the

      bill for high medical costs, etc... I can't wait until I'm 66 so I

      can draw the social security check that I don't even contribute to

      for my income is way over 100k and they don't make me pay... ah...

      and I work real hard. my job requires me to say the word no...

      that's all i need to do.... wah... wah.... socialism is what the

      bailouts were. and those bailout recipients are the first ones to

      collect on social security when eligible even though they never paid

      social security tax on income above 100k per year. hey, they jacked

      up the price of college enough now so it's affordable by even less

      people even though it was free when they went in the 60's and

      70's..... there is a pharmaceutical commercial during every

      commercial break on every channel. the rich politicians figured out

      how to make more money off legal drugs than the illegal drugs.

      that's why the only places that exist today are wal-mart and health

      care companies......... it's de-regulation from a republican

      controlled senate, house, and president that allowed the financial

      industry to screw everyone but the upper class...... the flipping

      house epidemic was done while the FBI and CIA were told to only deal

      with 911. how patriotic.... they flipped houses like pancakes

      causing them to inflate to ridiculous prices. then they pass the

      buck allowing people to think it was the less fortunate who caused

      the prices to go up. so full of doo doo..... the republicans had

      the house and senate since 1995 with the exception of not having the

      senate for 2001 and 2002. The democrats took over the house and

      senate in 2007 and were left with the biggest deficit we've ever had

      due to a war we were lied into by the president. this same president

      was the biggest abuser of censorship pulling the plugs on anything

      negative towards the greedy muck they ran when they had the house,

      senate, and presidency for 4 whole years from 2003 until the end of

      2006 that put this country in this mess. 4 years of crooked greedy

      slime will now take 20 years to fix....... and they only care about

      deficits now that we have a democrat president... zzzzzzzzz........

      regan unleashed the beast by allowing that Merrill Lynch guy to be

      his right hand and selling this country into the stock market. we

      are forced to be gamblers........ the stock market is the only thing

      keeping this country afloat... it's just another vehicle used by the

      rich to take everyone elses money. it's never an even playing

      field... no one can afford the expensive high frequency trading

      servers that they rent........ how can we have pride in a country

      that only can stay afloat through deceit and exploitation.........
      • anonymous 8 months ago
        Get a job, take care of yourself, and quit blaming your dismal failures in life on others
    • A Yahoo! User  •  9 months ago
      it was the republicans who had the house, senate, and presidency for

      4 whole years from 2003 until the end of 2006 that put this country

      in this mess. 4 years of crooked greedy slime will now take 20 years

      to fix....... and they only care about deficits now that we have a

      democrat president... zzzzzzzzz........
    • E  •  9 months ago
      It's not the rating agencies, it's the rest of the worlds perception of the worth of the US dollar that matters. The ratings agencies can only reflect that perception, or not, depending on how far behind the curve they are.
      Right now the US debt is unserviceable, and cannot be paid back, regardless of the rating agencies. If government keeps doing the wrong things, the dollar will tank, whether we have a AAA rating, or not.
    • Joseph Weinstein  •  9 months ago
      What is the chance that credit rating agencies, including the global ones, are in collusion with financial institutions ??
      Has anyone ever checked that out ?
    • Mental Model  •  9 months ago
      Credit rating un-important? Really? Then why can't I get a car loan for $3000 because of a late credit card payment?

      The governments credit rating tanks AND NOW credit ratings aren't important? Would you please call the folks at Wells Fargo for me and explain that to them?
      • Valhalla360 8 months ago
        You can't get a loan because you have late payments. Not because of your credit rating.
      • Another Opinion 8 months ago
        You can't get a car loan also because we are in the next phase of the american scam. The fed is tightening the money supply because they want people to go bankrupt. Do you best to play by the rules and improve your credit, despite it being inconsistent.
    • David  •  9 months ago
      Elites and journalists from obscure publishers hate the electorate's sentiment and hang their hat on the worn out phrase "a broken political system". There is an enormous number of American citizen voters who think Congress' and the Administration's ' profligate spending IS treasonous. And enough will vote in 2012 to see the worst offenders are fired.
    • steves  •  9 months ago
      carefull, the government looks here for answers.
      • Agopian 9 months ago
        They might learn something HUH
      • Agopian 9 months ago
        Ratings agencies are a bunch of BULL---T on the onehand and very good on the other.It keeps the people that wont repay from abusing the system. But on the other its ratings are overated. Just another way to fool the public when needed. another arm of the GOVERNMENT that is not really needed.
      • Another Opinion 8 months ago
        Just to clarify, the Government looks here, youtube, google, phone conversations, bank statements, and pretty much all media consumption. Sincerely, The Government
    • Safcraker  •  9 months ago
      Geez, I miss the 70's, mini skirts, the greatest rock and roll in history, police didn't bother arresting you for having a few beers, no aids, life was great. If you wanted a job there was one for everyone who wanted to work. I hear now there was a recession back in 75, year after I graduated, never felt like it to me or anyone I knew. Feel bad for all you guys and girls just coming up now. The government sure did mess up a good thing. "I wanna go back, go back,.. and do it all over, but I can't go back I know".
    • Ara  •  9 months ago
      Were the rating agencies also unimportant when they were offering AAA ratings for sale to banks and other businesses for their junk assets for years leading to the financial collapse of 2008?

      For these firms to remain relevant, they need to be made accountable to the public and pay severely when they fail to do so. The only way to rein in these crooks is to threaten them both legally and financially, otherwise it is business as usual...
    • Boris  •  9 months ago
      So what will the excuse be the next time we hit the debt ceiling and they want to raise it to $20 trillion?
    • A Yahoo! User  •  9 months ago
      This isn't true, the rating agencies are important. This just shows how crazy the market is now. One day we will look back and see how wrong this article really was. I the signs are there, we shouldn't ignore them.
    • tango  •  9 months ago
      Just the usual bull#!!! by the usual financial bull#!!$ers. There has got to be a Politican making money on these guys somehow. A Politicans motto is one for all and all for me

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