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    With All Respect To Reed Hastings, The Netflix-Qwikster Split Bad For Customers

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    We have nothing but respect for Netflix CEO Reed Hastings, who has demonstrated again and again a willingness to take the long view instead of an easier short-term one--making tough decisions that cause near-term pain in order to improve the company long-term.

    In the middle of last decade, for example, Reed decided to cut Netflix's pricing to neutralize a competitive threat from Blockbuster. Hastings and Netflix were scorned at the time for this decision--Netflix would obviously go broke--and Netflix's stock collapsed.

    Well, we know how that one turned out: Netflix won the battle, and its stock blasted off for the moon. Blockbuster, meanwhile, went bust.

    And now Hastings has gone and made another earth-shaking decision--enacting a major price increase for DVDs-by-mail and splitting Netflix into two companies. And the market has responded by chopping Netflix's stock price in half.

    We suspect, eventually, that Reed Hastings will once again be proven right about the price increase and that those who have written the company off for dead will once again have to hang their heads in shame.

    And we can also certainly understand why, from the company's perspective, it makes sense to split the DVD and streaming businesses into two separate companies: They're different businesses, with different cost structures and different delivery, marketing, licensing, and management challenges, and they will be easier to run better if they're managed separately.

    But what's better for the company, in this case, is worse for most of the company's customers.

    One of the big advantages of Netflix's current service is that it's a one-stop shop. Subscribe to Netflix, and you know that you'll be able to watch basically any movie or TV show ever made. You may not be able to watch it instantly, via streaming, but if you can't watch it instantly, then you can order the DVDs. And you can go to a single web site, Netflix, to figure out what your options are.

    This is very different offering than most of Netflix competitors have, which is access to some TV shows and movies, but not all.

    Subscribing to a service that has access to some shows and movies, is very different (and distinctly worse for the customer) than subscribing to one that has access to all of them.

    Searching a database that contains some shows and movies is very different (and distinctly worse for the customer) than searching one that has access to all of them.

    And subscribing to two different services, with two different brands, bills, and customer support, is much more of a pain in the ass than subscribing to one.

    What percentage of Netflix's customers value its "one stop shop" feature? Half.

    Netflix subscribers fall into one of three buckets:

    • DVD-only (~2.2 million target for Q3, by far the smallest)
    • Streaming-only (~9.8mm target for Q3)
    • Hybrid (12mm target for Q3)

    Netflix's largest customer segment, in other words, is still choosing to pay for the ability to either stream or order DVDs by mail, despite the massive 60% price increase for this plan that Netflix just enacted.

    This suggests that half of Netflix's customers very much value this option.

    Will all of Netflix's "hybrid" subscribers maintain their DVD service subscription now that they'll have to search another web site and get another bill every month from "Qwikster"? We doubt it. And, in any case, it will be considerably more of a pain in the ass.

    (One question we have for the company is whether both databases will still contain ALL movies and TV shows--or whether the databases will be limited to the movies that that particular service offers. If the streaming database does not contain the DVD movies, we imagine Netflix will lose a lot of free marketing for that service).

    We understand that Netflix wants to discourage customers from ordering DVDs, and the split will certainly do that. We also understand that, eventually, Netflix's whole business will be streaming (or other digital delivery) and that DVDs will go away. And so we understand why Reed Hastings and Netflix are being applauded for facing reality and embracing the future.

    But...

    For the moment, and for the next couple of years, Netflix's value to half of its customers has just dropped. Put differently, this seems a distinctly customer-unfriendly move.

    It seems so customer-unfriendly, in fact, that one suspects there is more behind it than merely the desire to have a separate management team for each company.

    Benchmark (VC) partner Bill Gurley offers one guess as to what this unstated factor may be.

    Gurley observes that the licensing for content for DVDs versus streaming is entirely different. To rent a DVD, Netflix need merely buy it: The company does not pay any per-view or per-customer licensing fee to the studios. To stream a show or movie, meanwhile, Netflix has to pay a direct licensing fee, which is based on its number of subscribers.

    Gurley believes that the Hollywood studios are now insisting that Netflix pay a per-subscriber-per-month licensing fee, whether or not its subscribers actually ever stream movies. This demand, Gurley reasons, may be forcing Netflix to pay per-month-fees on way more subscribers than it will ever recoup any value for (because many never use the streaming option).

    By splitting the businesses in two, Gurley continues, Netflix will be able to negotiate streaming licenses on a much smaller subscriber base--say ~15 million, versus the ~25 million total subscriber base--thus reducing its streaming content costs.

    This, too, makes sense from a business perspective, and, if true, it explains a lot.

    But it still sucks for "hybrid" customers.

    SEE ALSO: REED HASTINGS: Here's Why We're Splitting Netflix Into Two Companies

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    885 comments

    • Jessica  •  4 months ago
      I think it was a dumb move, but I'm glad its fixed and Netflix is back to normal :)
    • CHULO FROM CALI  •  7 months ago
      Im one of those 800,000 people that left.. this guy Reed got greedy and started over charging us.. Im glad I left. and Im gonna start a pettition online and have please sign it and cancel their netflix account.. Some people dont have the internet to stream movies so they like to get thier movies in the mail. I like to stream but some of the movies I wanna see is not there so I have to get them in the mail.. u screwed up Reed. I loved my netflix and i hated to see it go.. but i was paying 10 for unlimited streaming and 1 or 2 dvd out. and then out of nowhere my account was charged for 17 bucks for the same thing... smh..
      • A Yahoo! User 5 months ago
        You should have paid attention to the fuss and cancelled early so you wouldn't be charged. You received an email.
    • richard  •  7 months ago
      As the old phrase went, if it's NOT broke, don't fix it! Simply put: Reed Hastings is an idiot! His company was nearly a monopoly, assured revenues and dividends!! He goes to bed and in HIS mind, decides on a NEW gimmick to raise prices!!! Idiotic; he didn't understand Customer Service Rule #1: raising prices on some-thing that's already popular and selling wonderfully is NOT a good move as it will only arouse public ANGER! Now, with Netflix having gone from $300 per share to $77 per share, and still falling, REED HASTINGS will soon have to resign. The only good part is that he gets to continue living with what few "pennies on the dollar" his stock is worth! Simply put: Reed Hastings is an idiot.
    • Tony  •  7 months ago
      I can't use streaming because I need subtitles. In addition to the subtitles, the quality of Blu Ray is better than streaming, and the selection of movies is not very plentiful in steaming.
    • ciara m  •  8 months ago
      I think this is ridiculous. There are still a lot of people that have netflix that don't have internet connection at home or have money to go spend to get the instantly to your tv netflix. Also, out of all the movies I have rented or wanted there have only been about 10 that I could have watched instantly. So, all those other movies are out of the picture now? Not only that but, I'm expected to pay basically $16 for the same amount of movies I was getting before for $9 that doesn't make sense unless your trying to rip me off. I also don't understand the whole qwickster thing. Am I supposed to stop using netflix and go to the other website if I want dvds by mail? This whole thing is ridiculous. The people saying that people won't stop using netflix are wrong have you seen stocks and how many people have already stopped using it. If there's another service like netflix used to be outthere please inform me.
    • chris b  •  8 months ago
      too bad the netflix streaming list sucks. none of the movies on their streaming are good or worth watching
      • MLD 8 months ago
        Um, just a short list of the movies on Netflix streaming : Pulp Fiction, The Thing, Iron Man 2, Memento, The Usual Suspects, Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas, Dazed and Confused, Casino, 13 Assassins, Oldboy, Dirty Harry, Airplane, Gangs of New York, Blade Runner.. you're telling me ALL Those movies suck? And that's not even to mention all the great documentaries.
      • Balandrus 8 months ago
        Look at his picture. 'Nuff said.
      • Moluscan 8 months ago
        Depends on taste. I watched an awesome French flick last night about the resistance in WWII and then an awesome Norwegian one also about their resistance. Searching carefully through streaming has opened up a world of great movies which would never be in Redbox etc. Depends on taste and interests. I find many of the "latest movies" brain dead, trite and predictable. Streaming works for me. However, I didn't like the way Netflix did price increase and I really don't like TWO sources now. I'm quite irritated and have also been checking all options. Separating DVD service makes it easier to chop off or sell off for Netflix.
    • Jason Grube  •  8 months ago
      Goodbye Netflix. Hello Redbox and Hulu.
      • AbbeyMac 8 months ago
        Thats what I did!
      • truedat 8 months ago
        i was all right with the small increase to normal service. but now they want me to pay twice for one service and there streaming service is mostly outdated movies they just lost another customer.
      • NONE 8 months ago
        Lots of talk about leaving.......but much like the majority of people in America, its all talk and not as many will take action. PS when you factor in all the driving and hassle of Redbox, paying $8 a month for Netflix DVD only is still a better deal.
    • Krystle  •  8 months ago
      i understand what they are doing but you cant get some of the movies that are on dvd for streaming sooo good bye to netflix for me also.
      • Monkey Mark 8 months ago
        you have never been able to get all movie titles through the streaming option so it's not like this is anything new.
      • Snoppy 8 months ago
        Mark, you are correct - but the current setup makes it easy to see what is streaming and what is not. With two different services, you are going to have to go back and forth because they are not going to be connected. This will cause more confusion and upset customers. It was the ease of use that made Netflix great - now you might as well go shop for a another option. This is why Netflix will lose customers either way.
    • Harleydog  •  8 months ago
      They want us to go to all streaming? Then offer all content on streaming, not put 20 year old movies up and call them "new releases," or just put bombs like "Assault Girls" up there. Why do they think I want to pay for that crap?
      • Ricimer 8 months ago
        Don't forget "Hobo With A Shotgun" LOLOLOL
      • I C 8 months ago
        ....I saw one recently Shaolin Grandma.....NO SUCH THING....Shaolin are MONKS...All male.
      • army 8 months ago
        WAIT 'they just added White Girls"! Great new release.
    • j c  •  8 months ago
      There stocks either way are going down. This is no longer a good value for both investor or customer.
    • skydive  •  8 months ago
      Quixter is a stupid sounding name. Netflix was cool. I don't want to belong to Quixter. Reed Hastings, you're an idiot. Spliting the company in half is crazy.
    • J Dog  •  8 months ago
      APOLOGY NOT ACCEPTED.
    • davidd  •  8 months ago
      I am not upset about the price hike. Netflix (to me) is worth the cost. I am NOT happy about the split between streaming and disc. If i watched a movie on disc and rated that I liked it, Netflix would put it in my watched option if it became available on streaming. So, goodbye to that. What i really hate about both services is that it never shows you the new releases. I have to go to moviefone look up soon to be released dvd's to add to my queue. It's extremely rare that i ever see any of these movies show up in the "New Releases" category, even though I may have already gotten and watched them. Seriously, The new releases category will stay the same for a month or more at a time. They have the movies, and they don't make them easily accessible. Why?!?! I'm not even talking about the apps my TV and blu ray player have. Almost impossible to find anything worth watching searching through that. I have to use my computer to add to my instant queue. It's ridiculous! I sincerely hope that another company begins to provide these services, and gets it more streamlined.
    • Mike  •  8 months ago
      I'm giving Netflix the boot very shortly.....It's just not worth it anymore, and I read somewhere that sometime this winter a bunch of movies and TV shows wont be available anymore through Netflix
    • Paul  •  8 months ago
      That $1 a day box at the grocery store is looking better and better.
    • Mark G  •  8 months ago
      Agree with the author. I think it's a pain in the ass to deal with 2 sites and bills. I canx'd my subscription as soon as I found out (which by the way, was not via Netflix!). Redbox here I come..........
    • russell d  •  8 months ago
      I get the looking ahead agenda, but netflix sent me an e-mail telling me there would be better choices mainstreaming, almost a year ago, so I dropped the dvd's and went totally online, but the choices for online sucked with lousy movies and or old movies. So I got fed up and just cancelled, because everytime I did a search for a movie I wanted to watch I had to have the dvd. Good bye Netflix.
    • D. Frederick  •  8 months ago
      A very bad business decision. With the age of integration here to stay, Reed Hastings is turning the clock back instead of going forward. I will not go to 2 websites to check out movies from the same company, no matter how easy the links. Further, I do not want to pay for video games - never play them, never will. I simply want to watch movies!
    • sasquatch  •  8 months ago
      once again another company is looking out for their interests and not the customers
    • Trainsguy  •  8 months ago
      I'm going to keep this short and sweet..... I think the entire cable, video, and streaming industry will take a good hit because this move by Netflix is causing everyone to step back and reallize that none of it is worth the price no matter who the provider is.....

      Hollywood puts out garbage..... the networks put out garbage..... and then the various providers want you to pay ridiculous fees for that same garbage.....

      sorry..... but I cancelled my cable about 5 years ago..... and after years with Netflix..... I suddenly realized..... I pay Charlie & Sons Trash Service to take away my garbage.....

      I surely don't need to pay someone to bring it to me.

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