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    Are the Rich Good for Anything Besides Paying Taxes and Spending?

    They don't pay their fair share in taxes. Many of them subsist on government subsidies and bailouts. And some have poor manners, to boot. So, what good are the rich? That's the question I posed to Robert Frank, the long-suffering Wall Street Journal extreme wealth correspondent and author of the new book, High Beta Rich: How the Manic Wealthy Will Take Us to the Next Boom, Bubble, and Bust.

    Well, they do spend a lot. And therein lies an irony. Just as we've constructed an economy in which the top one percent garner the overwhelming share of gains, we've also constructed an economy in which their spending accounts for a hugely disproportionate share of consumer activity. Lots of companies and professionals, it turns out, have business models that rely on catering to the rich. "We have an economy ,a tax system, and financial markets that are increasingly dependent on this group that has most of the wealth and the income," Frank tells me in the accompanying interview.

    Take taxes. There's been lots of discussion of what percentage of citizens pay what percentage of taxes at the federal level. But the impact is even more pronounced at the state and local level. "One of the consequences of rising inequality is that the top one percent accounts in some state for more than 40 percent of personal income tax," Frank says. And that exacerbates the boom-bust cycles. After a couple of good years in the markets, states like New York and California receive a gusher of tax revenues from income, bonuses, and capital gains. States then establish the boom-era levels as new revenue and funding baselines. If markets nosedive, high earners with volatile wealth and income suddenly pay fewer taxes. And that can leave states with significant budget problems.

    Rich people also spend a lot of money. And in so doing, they provide a lot of employment for those lower down the income scale. Frank notes that the top five percent of earners today account for more than 37 percent of consumer outlays. "Most Americans are very strapped for cash, so they're not spending," said Frank. "And at the top you have an arms race in status spending and conspicuous consumption, which, love it or hate it, creates la lot of jobs." Think of all those employed building yachts and jets, constructing fourth and fifth homes, running catering businesses, and making the hair products that keep Donald Trump's mane aloft.

    In the book, Frank quotes Michael Feroli, chief U.S. economist at JP Morgan Chase, on how the rich today are carrying the burden of driving the consumer economy: "The heavy lifting is being done by the upper-income households." To which Frank adds: "if one defines a Birkin bag as heavy, of course."

    In recognition of today's hard times, Robert's publisher has given us a couple of copies to give away. Send an email (preferably with your mailing address) to talkyourbook@yahoo.com to be entered in a drawing for a free copy.

    Daniel Gross is economics editor at Yahoo! Finance

    Email him at grossdaniel11@yahoo.com; follow him on Twitter @grossdm

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    465 comments

    • jd  •  6 months ago
      Here's a very simple federal tax plan: The first $12K every household makes is exempt. Add an additional $6K exemption for each individual in the household. All retirement savings are taxed at the time they're earned, but exempt when drawn out (like a Roth). No more loopholes, no more deductions, etc. Every penny after that is taxed at 15%. This means that a family of 6 with a household income of $60K pays $1,800 in taxes (effective tax rate of 1.67%). While a family of 6 with a household income of $600,000K pays $82,800 (effective rate of 13.8%). A family of six making $6M pays $892,800 (effective rate of 14.9%). How is that not allowing the "rich" to pay their fair share?Disband the IRS, let their budget go to offset the budget deficit.Pass a balanced budget amendment and make congress live within its means.Set a mandate to make SS accounts private and directly assigned as individual accounts tio keep congress' grimey mitts out of it. SS accounts should be fully funded at all times - no more "borrowing" (aka stealing) from it.Allow anyone who can prove $1M net worth to opt out of future SS payments (but they still get to keep what they've paid in thus far).Upon SS retirement allow tax payers to pull their SS funds out and put them in a tax free account (after all, these earnings have already been taxed once #$%$ is not deductible except employer side of FICA).
      • al 6 months ago
        Here is a real simple tax plan 999. Now the bottom 50 percent pay nothing. This is not fair if they can vote. Remove the bottom 50 % from voting. This will make the voting fair.
      • jd 6 months ago
        I would agree that you have to at least pay SOME taxes to be able to vote. Good add...
      • JJ 6 months ago
        The tired manta of the wealthy that 51% of Americans pay no taxes is so disingenuous it is laughable. All working Americans pay FICA taxes. These tax receipts are supposed to be dedicated to fund Social Security. However, since the 1980’s when the FEDs started to run bigger and bigger annual deficits, these FICA tax receipts have been used to fund everyday government expenses, early on masking the true size of the FED’s overspending.

        As income taxes and FICA taxes are used to fund everyday government expenses there is little difference between the two. All working Americans are paying federal taxes. Add to that sales taxes which impact the poor more than the wealthy as the poor spend all of their income and therefore pay sales taxes on all of their income while the wealthy save large parts of their incomes, property taxes, gas taxes, etc. and the idea that 50% of Americans pay no taxes is ludicrous.

        I make six figures and pay income taxes. While I would certainly like to see my tax burden lowered, to do it on the backs of those less fortunate than I by raising taxes on people who are already struggling, as the mantra of the wealthy implies, does not sit well with my moral code.

        The Dude Abides
    • Blazing Saddles  •  6 months ago
      What exactly does the left believe would be a "fair" tax rate for the highest income bracket? It currently is 36% fed, 1.5% medicare and in CA 10.5% state for a total of 48%. Add to that, 7.5% for the first $106K social security, and as a business owner, I also pay the other 7.5%, plus 7.5% of all my employees' wages for SS, unemployment insurance and workers comp which are both mandatory (state taxes). How is it that the "wealthy" don't "pay any taxes" or "don't pay their fair share"? Seriously, someone from the left, please explain to me what tax rate you would consider "our fair share"?
      • Kupa 6 months ago
        Middle class makes the same contributions to all those. Same percentage of their income. So do not use demagoguery in the argument. Some people who make millions do not earn it with their hands. They shuffle money. Make money on money. It is in fact their income, on which they pay 15% tax. It is much easier to make another million when you have $1 mil, then make another $100 (one hundred) when you have $100.
      • Blazing Saddles 6 months ago
        What do you consider middleclass income? The rates I posted (36%+10.5%) are on the highest income bracket (anything over $300K). Only the 1.5% medicare is paid by everyone. 15% tax is on dividends and long term cap gains; short term gains are taxed as ordinary income and all dividends and income increase your AGI which pushes your total tax rate higher. How would you know how easy it is to make a million dollars? Did you read that somewhere, or have you earned/invested that kind of money before?
      • Kupa 6 months ago
        Try investing $1000. How much the stock should swing for you to make a buck?? 10 times, 100 times. If you invest $1 mil, even a 1c move up or down makes you $10,000. Simple math.
        You say that they do not pay state, and local taxes? do not contribute to SS? You are misinformed.
    • Abc  •  6 months ago
      Lets talk about "fair share". Lets talk about the 47% of people that don't pay any Fed tax.
      Please explain how that is "fair"?
      • michael 6 months ago
        because the 47% are in poverty! Never thought of that nor did the tea baggers!
      • Kupa 6 months ago
        is it fair that CEO ears 1000 more than workers?? Life is not fair, this an argument wealthy use to justify their wealth.
        If you were educated/ intelligent person you would ask yourself nex question, why the poor do not pay taxes.
      • FrankieV 6 months ago
        Everyone should contribute to quote Billy Clinton.makes them feel American. No free rides.
    • Stray  •  6 months ago
      They don't pay their fair share in taxes. They get subsidies and bailouts. And some have poor manners. So, what good are they?

      Is he talking about the rich, or the so called poor?
      • Regal 6 months ago
        I think he's talking about the whole Obama administration.
      • Rich Elitest Libtard 6 months ago
        OWS
      • EVB 6 months ago
        Im amazed at the level of greed, hypocrisy and just plain stupidity you are all spouting
    • Ready Now  •  6 months ago
      The tax code is supposed to be for the purpose of funding the government. We have allowed the elected in DC to use it to, reward select businesses , social engineering, effect capital allocation, punishment, exempt huge portions of the population from it's effects, reward select states, etc,etc. Until the code is changed back to serve it's sole purpose our capital markets will do everything they can to avoid and manipulate it to their advantage and that in turn will punish our citizens. The tax code must be changed.
    • Richie S  •  6 months ago
      How many jobs has Daniel Gross created?
      • PigsAtTheTrough 6 months ago
        Tons - Look at all the posters here generating advertising dollars for yahoo.
      • Kent 6 months ago
        This whole "job creator" thing is just moronic. Welfare capitalism creates jobs, people don't. If you start a business, you "create jobs" only in conjunction with the rest of society -- people who buy your products and the government that makes the entire capitalist system possible.
      • Richie S 6 months ago
        The government makes the entire capitalist system possible? That's just moronic. The "economy" is nothing more than people voluntarily coming together to conduct business. Despite all of the economists that attempt to complicate it, it's really very simple. The government is a drain on the productive members of society.
    • Job001  •  6 months ago
      The poor and the rich elite are both liberty parasites. When parasites destroy human survival opportunities(jobs and investment opportunities), survival violence results. Parasite history repeats in clever ways. Be personally productive!
    • gogetter  •  6 months ago
      capitalism built america...not socialism
    • Charlie  •  6 months ago
      "Are the Rich Good for Anything Besides Paying Taxes and Spending?" What a revolting headline....what if it said "Are the poor good for anything besides sucking the American teet and doing drugs". What morons....people are people...some good...some bad. The wealth of a person does not define that person. The medias lack of respect for all people is at an all time high and the insideous rhetoric is helping to tear the country apart..
    • J  •  6 months ago
      If the employment rate were at normal levels (say around 5-6%), the tax base would be much greater than it is and we wouldn't be having these arguments about who is paying too much or too little. Get people back to work, make some common-sense spending cuts, and this problem will correct itself.
    • Yahoo  •  6 months ago
      Please do an article on exactly what the poor does for this country and just what do they contribute to society?? please tell us their personal lives good and bad and their income and let us know to what they do spent their money on..Start with OCW and tel us wha they are contributing to our country please..All this equality you spread neads to be on everyone rich nd poor and lets see who does what and contributes the most to help their fellow man..EQUALITY PLEASE!!!
    • Willy  •  6 months ago
      What are the poor good for?

      They keep social workers and other "social benefit administrators" employed. If there were no poor, why would we need all the case workers and people to distribute their benefits? If there were no rich, who would pay the taxes filtered down to pay for social programs?

      When the bottom half pay their FAIR SHARE of income tax, they have a right to complain.

      Once they see their taxes rising, they will stop making more and more demands for welfare programs. As it is now stands, they clamor "raise taxes" because they pay ZERO!

      There is nothing wrong being rich as long as ones wealth was gained legally and from hard work.
    • Fillup  •  6 months ago
      Two kinsmen talking to each other.
    • mook  •  6 months ago
      Nice keep up the class warfare, that should be really good for our collective economy!
    • Brad  •  6 months ago
      What if the headline simply read, 'Are The POOR Good For Anything"? and lead with the same sentence - "They don't pay their fair share of taxes"......
      What a crackpot story & headline
    • H  •  6 months ago
      Human nature is our ultimate problem. It is as simple and unsolvable as that.
    • Brian  •  6 months ago
      Honestly, give the question a minute's thought, and it turns into Monty Python's "What have the Romans ever done for us?" sketch from Life of Brian.
    • H  •  6 months ago
      You can work hard paving a road in Georgia, but you won't be payed like a banker working "hard" in an office. Just what is hard work?
    • Superman  •  6 months ago
      Only a Socialist could say the top 10% paying 58% of all income taxes is "not paying their fair share" That is ridiculous!
    • Paul  •  6 months ago
      The very day after President Obama gave his jobs bill speech, the Bank of America announced that they were planning to lay off 40,000 workers. That's the problem. The people at the top don't actually "make" anything but decisions about how many of us they plan to "lay off" so they can drive up their stock prices. Or how many of our jobs they are going to send to the 3rd world, where they can effectively employ "slaves" for $2 per day. No matter how much they make, it's never enough. They need MORE, MORE, MORE!!!

      Remember the commercial about Thanksgiving dinner, where the guy at the end of the table hogs the entire table full of food, leaving everybody else to stare at each other and fight over the scraps? That is the situation we find ourselves in today.

      Sure the super rich spend a lot of money. So what? If they didn't get it by starving and foreclosing on the 99%, then the other 99% would be spending that money on necessities, like food, shelter, utilities and clothiing. It would still get spent, and would still drive this economy. It's is obscene for 1% to live like gods on Mt. Olympus while millions are unemployed, hungry and homeless. And the worst part is that the 1% are behind this collapse and will never accept responsibility for that.

      Just ask Herman Cain! If you got laid off from your job of 21 years, IT'S YOUR FAULT.
      Read up on the Whirlpool buy out of Maytag. Whirlpool stock goes up and thousands more are are now out of work in Iowa.

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