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    Shades of 2008: A Greek Default Won’t Be ‘Contained’, John Mauldin Says

    Financial markets shuddered Monday as fears over Europe's sovereign debt crisis resurfaced yet again. Still, the Dow closed off its worst levels of the session amid the conventional view that Greece's debt crisis can be managed.

    But Endgame author John Mauldin says Greece won't be any more "contained" than subprime mortgages were in 2008.

    "It's not something that stops at the European waters," Mauldin says. "Just like the subprime crisis didn't stop in California…I'm worried this one has a lot of contagion and it'll affect the world."

    As for the mechanism for that contagion, Mauldin lays out the following scenario in the event of a Greek default:

    • - Greece has to nationalize its banks.
    • - Greek citizens are forced to take deposits in drachmas, rather than euros.
    • - Greek consumers and businesses then default on all debts because of the resulting haircut, which he estimates at 50%.
    • - French and German banks are forced to take write-downs on their Greek exposure.
    • - The ECB is forced to take a write-down on its exposure to Greek debt.

    Such a scenario would not go unnoticed in Portugal or, especially, Ireland, where voters have already shown their displeasure with having to pay for bank bailouts, Mauldin notes.

    Meanwhile, U.S. banks have written credit-default swaps to European banks. Most of these positions are hedged but "you're only balanced as long as both of those counterparties are good," Mauldin says. "If you have a bad counterparty, now you're out of balance."

    If you'll recall, it wasn't the failing subprime mortgages per se that caused the real crisis in 2008, but banks refusal to trade with other banks. It was this "counterparty risk" which caused the financial system to seize up, which is why policymakers here and in Europe are doing everything and anything to prevent a repeat.

    Aaron Task is the host of The Daily Ticker. You can follow him on Twitter at @atask or email him at altask@yahoo.com

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    55 comments

    • Patriot  •  8 months ago
      Any body recall our good friends at Goldman Sachs booking a large debt swap in England as a "sale" since it was illegal in the U.S. and by allowing the Greeks to virtually make debt look like an asset which then allowed Greece to gain entry to the E.U.. How many sides of the trade do you think Goldman has now. Good going guy's
    • Tim  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Look how much trouble all of these countries are having trying to "hold on" Any prudent person can see these defaults will occur. We will be lucky right here in the US if we don't eventually default
      • A Yahoo! User 8 months ago
        we don't default cause we keeping on playing the game of paying of old debts by printing new money !!!
    • GrafB  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Forgive me for asking but is this clown's name mispelled - it should be Maudlin! His accent is third rate Texarkana. He refers to Tom Landry who ran a major football team for decades and in all that time could only win the superbowl twice. On averages every team should have won at least one during that time! Maudlin doesn't even know where Europe is. Since the days of Troy Greece has been a third-rate republic without bananas. It would never have gotten a nod into the market without Goldman's financial slight of hand. Turkey is a far more viable economy and less corrupt. However, neither has much in common with western Europe. (For that matter neither does Italy which lies on the African tectonic plate.)
      European countries should be allowed to issue their own debt at their own rates and pay the penalty of imprudence at the end. That shouldn't have any significant impact on Europe or the Euro. Nor should Germany be asked to bail out Greece in order to protect stupid overpaid bankers in Germany or elsewhere.
    • Tina  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Of couse Greece will default, and why shouldn't they? After getting royally hosed by Goldman Sachs and their criminal credit default swap scams, Greece is in dire circimstances.
      Why isn't Goldman Sachs paying for their crimes?
      Oh thats right, most of them are sitting on the president's council or serving in the fed!!!
      • Rot 1 year 0 months ago
        Tina,
        You are a populist @#$%. What the hell does Goldman Sachs have to do with Greece conuming more than it produces and borrowing the gap? Oh, you mean the debt swaps that Greece executed, via Goldman, in order to enter the EU? Those transactions were fully disclosed and approved by the EU in order that Greece could enter the EU. Why don't you go learn something instead of spewing your populist retard Goldman Sachs conspiracy nonsense
      • ablecynic 1 year 0 months ago
        I thought Greeks liked to be royally hosed?
      • A Yahoo! User 8 months ago
        I agree with Rot here.... Goldman was as any other company would do helping out a client to work out its problems.... they didnt have a clue that time that Greece would totally mismanage the floating money they had to pay.
    • Ran  •  1 year 0 months ago
      America has a good 30% haircut ahead. And real ( u6) unemployment is close to 22%
      This is a depression and its so idiotic that people are do not call it what it is
      1636 Amsterdam
      1640 London
      1837 America
      2011 The world
      Prepare for unrest.....Its going to get scary.....
    • Anonymous  •  1 year 0 months ago
      European Socialism is about to come to the usual end... Politicians ran out of other peoples money to spend after overspending for a long time... Will the same happen to the USA??
      • YYYYY1945 8 months ago
        What are you talking about ? In the whole of Europe there is only one ( so called) Socialist party in power , this is Greece, and they have not acted as socialists, that is why the country is in a mess. Every other European country has been governed by Right or center- right goverments
    • Concerned__Citizen  •  1 year 0 months ago
      I wonder if Milton Bradley has updated the game of Monopoly to include derivatives and credit default swaps.
    • A Yahoo! user  •  1 year 0 months ago
      let those banks fail. what is going to happen will happen, sooner or later.
      • andy 1 year 0 months ago
        Agreed. It'll suck, but if I take it up the @$$, I'd rather it be fast. That way it's done with sooner and I can get on with my life.
    • forrest p  •  1 year 0 months ago
      The poopy is about to hit the fan.
    • Ken  •  1 year 0 months ago
      I'm not wealthy and I do not deal Credit Default Swaps...But it sounds like if I were holding them, I'd be REALLY PISSED OFF with the games they are playing with my holdings by defaulting without calling it a default. I'm not sure why I haven't heard their side of hte story from any media outlet. Just a curiosity. This also happened in 2008 with Lehman etc. I wonder why you never hear about the holders of those swaps. ?????
    • gimme_proof  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Isn't it time we took our banks out of the gambling business? We need to control these thieves before they cause another collapse. This should be one of the first orders of business.
    • Brandon  •  1 year 0 months ago
      only angels could be trusted with the right to print fiat money...and our financial system is fresh out of angels
    • happy  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Remember, this is not your grandfather's Greece. Greece has huge middle eastern populations, every level of business is corrupt. People dont pay taxes, black market rules, everyone avoids the government and hates it. Greece is european only in that it is connected by the land mass.
      its a black hole of corruption not unlike Iraq, Iran, etc. Its old world corruption. Cut them loose Europe !
    • blame yourself  •  1 year 0 months ago
      - each euro country will soon return to soverign currency- germany will be first

      the euro bought time, time is up my friends, its back to war in europe
    • Destroy the Matrix  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Central Banking is modern day slavery for the masses.

      Your government is in on the CON.

      DEBT is control, THEY set it up this way and THEY control the DEBT.

      It's a conspiracy against the masses, like the Pharos declaring themselves divine, Monarchs and bloodlines, Tsars and their heirs, Church ans their doctrine, etc..

      Prison planet.
    • Kenneth  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Er, I think you meant "shuddered"...
    • Eric  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Beware the gift-bearing Greeks?
      Hmmm...maybe this is history repeating itself, but instead of soldiers coming out of a Trojan horse, it'll be global bankruptcy.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  1 year 0 months ago
      I want to know exactly what the exposure oF our banks is to these swaps. Mauden said in another current piece that the budget fight will cause a recession.
    • happy  •  1 year 0 months ago
      why isnt america bailing them out. heck we bail everyone else out
    • Cornholio  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Newsflash to American idiots: USA debt/gdp ratio is the same as Greece's. Have a nice day!

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