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    Stiglitz: “Considerable” Risk in Banks Today Because So Little’s Changed Since 2008

    The recent decline in Citigoup stock is "difficult to watch and naturally reminds all of us of what happened several years ago [but] there is little similarity between now and then," Vikram Pandit said in a voicemail to Citi employees on Tuesday, The WSJ reports.

    Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan similarly sought to allay his employees' concerns, declaring in a company-wide memo: "The most important point to remember is that our company remains financially strong." (Moynihan, who was also on CNBC yesterday, is participating in a unique public conference call later today, hosted by one of its biggest shareholders Fairholme Capital Management.)

    Translation: Remain calm, all is well. Nothing to see here folks. Keep moving.

    But big bank CEOs, and their defenders, doth protest too much, according to Columbia Professor and two-time Nobel Prize winner Joseph Stiglitz.

    There is "considerable" risk in the banking sector today, Stiglitz tells Jeff Macke and me in the accompanying video. In addition to a slowing economy, today's problems are largely the result of regulators' failures to tackle the problems that both caused and were revealed by the 2008 crisis: Excessive leverage, lack of transparency and distortions created by 'too big to fail' institutions.

    The 'too big to fail' problem has only gotten worse since 2008 — the biggest banks control an even greater portion of U.S. deposits -- and Stiglitz is particularly concerned nothing has been done to make bank holdings more transparent.

    "We don't know the kinds of exposures to say European [credit default swaps] American banks have," he says. There are rumors that as much as 50% of European sovereign bonds are insured thru CDS by American banks, he notes. "But we don't really know."

    As was the case in 2008, the lack of knowledge of what's on bank balance sheets poses the risk of banks refusing to lend to other banks, Stiglitz says. "If one of these countries has a real difficulty [interbank lending] markets will freeze up."

    Forget laughter. Does anyone remember "counterparty risk? This is what I was referring to Monday when I said the similarities between now and 2008 outweigh the differences. (See: 2008 Redo? History Doesn't Repeat, But It Often Rhymes )

    Stiglitz addressed these and related issues in testimony before the Senate Banking Committee last week: "It is precisely because the economy is fragile, banks have inadequate capital, and the banking sector in the aftermath of the crisis is more concentrated than before that the risk of a financial catastrophe of the kind that we experienced in 2008 is so great today," he said. "The downside risks of not doing something are especially grave now.

    Notably, those comments were made on Aug. 3, prior to the most acute moments of the recent sell-off, which resumed in earnest Wednesday morning.

    The latest decline comes amid concerns about Europe and the potential contagion emanating from its sovereign debt crisis which, in turn, is putting renewed pressure on shares of big European banks like Societe Generale, BNP and Deutsche Bank, as well as their U.S. counterparts including, but not limited to, Bank of America and Citigroup.

    See also: Failed Monetary Policy Helped Create the Economic Crisis, Stiglitz Says

    Aaron Task is the host of The Daily Ticker. You can follow him on Twitter at @atask or email him at altask@yahoo.com

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    58 comments

    • John  •  9 months ago
      Why haven't credit default swaps been made illegal - at least for banks to sell?
      Didn't the 2008 implosion prove them be little more than time-bombs?
      And we know how brilliant the rating agencies are in determining the risk potential
      of the stuff CDS's insure. Have we also resumed allowing box-cutters on airliners?
      • Fred 9 months ago
        Why would CDSs be made illegal? These are hedging instruments. If you buy insurance, then you should be paid when the event you insured against happens.
      • T C 9 months ago
        See Wiki for Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000. This federal law exempted credit default swaps from state regulation as insurance products which would have required sellers of CDS to record contingent liabilities to reserve for potential losses. Such accounting would have eliminated the sale of CDS. An official from the New York state insurance department testified before congress against this act, warning that it would cause extraordinarily risky financial transactions. He he was ignored because of the heavy lobbying in favor of the legislation by Wall Street. This, more than any other single factor, led to the financial meltdown.
      • yahoo user 9 months ago
        I don't have a problem with selling CDO's or insuring them, but I have a problem with having the taxpayer bailout the insurer and I have a problem with FDIC insured institutions being put at risk due to the insuring of these CDO's.
    • Walter Moore  •  9 months ago
      Examination of the real estate bubble and subsequent collapse in Japan, with the fall of their stock market to 5% of the high, should be a “lesson learned” for our current economic situation. Unfortunately, the lesson has been ignored. The Japanese response was to lower interest rates and take over the zombie banks, keeping the losses off the books for years. The result was a stock market collapse.
      The US and Europe are headed in the same direction because of the same problem, bad bank loans to nations unable to pay them off (or in the US bad housing loans), huge shared risk thanks to credit default instruments (260 trillion worldwide) lowering interest rates to nothing, protecting zombie banks from crushing debt and collapse with newly printed government money and government debt.
      Hold on to your feathers little bird, one hell of a storm is on the way.
    • A  •  9 months ago
      3-4 trillion of the 15 trillion debt is unaccounted for because it went to the banksters under the table.
      • GB 9 months ago
        Thanks for the laugh!
      • SGR 9 months ago
        What a piece of C**P you are expounding. The major banks paid their combined $250 billion dollars in bailouts back to the government (The Taxpayers ) with 5% interest within @ 18 months. That's 18.75 billion in interest to the government( taxpayers) . A -- you either know, or should know this fact. Funny how you blandly say 3-4 Trillion was paid under the table. No evidence to support your claim-- just put it out there.
      • yahoo user 9 months ago
        All that money got paid back, remember. Now, I don't understand why the government debt increased the $3.5 trillion that you are talking about. LOL
    • Robert JG  •  9 months ago
      Everybody needs to see "Inside Job". If you aren't upset now, you will be at the end of the documentary! It's business as usual under Obama - instead of the change that he promised.
    • Magic Dog  •  9 months ago
      We are running down the road to serfdom.
      • B r a i n 9 months ago
        ...to the Chinese lords!
      • Timothy 9 months ago
        I think we have arrived, now we are fighting back.
      • yahoo user 9 months ago
        "DOPE and CHAINS."
    • jonezy  •  9 months ago
      Its so funny to see people blame all this on 1 person. Sure, Obama crashed the whole economy by himself. Sure. Unfortunately, these large financial institutions have taken over the government. Some of the top executives who caused the market to crash have cushy jobs as advisers throughout Congress. Until we have more regulation in the banking industry, a crash will happen again.
      • Peter 9 months ago
        Agreed. But lay fault at Obama's feet for not making the "change" that was needed. Keeping the likes of Larry Summers close, while pushing away Paul Volcker and Joseph Stiglitz was a fatal mistake. Now we are paying the price. And Obama will pay the price himself in Nov 2012.
      • Gabriel 9 months ago
        Obama was certainly not the cause but he was not the cure he promised either. But I prefer someone who does not do more harm than a charlatan from any other affiliation
    • Not born yesterday  •  9 months ago
      Whatever happened to all of that "Change We Can Believe In"?!
    • shine-ee-teeth  •  9 months ago
      he at least says one thing right (maybe others . . .)- banks don't need or want customers anymore, either on the deposit side or the loan side. they are self-serving leaches on the treasury's fiscal artery.

      their charters should be revoked.
    • LanceS  •  9 months ago
      The whole financial services industry is a phony one. Invest in a bank and you might as well give your money to Bernie Madoff.
    • 5th Horseman  •  9 months ago
      Want to change it? Break up all the big banks and limit them like in N. Dakota (the only solvent state). Problem solved. (And don't allow them to merge either)
    • Richard G  •  9 months ago
      S&P Got it right. Why should the U.S. think they are so above all else when they have to borrow. We shouldn't be borrowing a cent from anyone. We were the richest country in the world, we have the most powerful military, enough food to feed the world yet we are broke, we have to borrow. Let Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc., take care of themselves. Bring all our troops home and with all the intellectual prowess we supposedly have just figure out how to secure our country, our borders and our people. Quit being the World Police, get the UN out of the country (they are worthless). Feed the poor, educate all equally and then consider helping out others like Somalia or Darfor (spelling). How can we be worth anything to any other country if we become worthless to our own. Clean house in the Senate and House of Reps. Don't blame everything on the President, he was elected and will serve his term, it is the career politicians that keep putting us through the same routine year after year. A dime will get you a dozen that Congress will be voting themselves a raise. We should never have saved the banks, they screwed themselves through greed and now American Tax Payers are taking it in the rear. Let's raise taxes, hell all the taxes we've been paying went towards saving the Banks. A bunch of Ponzi schemes, Goldman just knows a better scheme, like selling bad investments before they go bad. Maybe Goldman should be the executive branch, the judicial branch and the legislative branch running this country as they are the only ones making money while everyone else struggles.
    • A  •  9 months ago
      If you or me or your family gets in trouble you don't hear a peep. If these banksters get in trouble, we have to hear them wine about it for years (hopefully not decades).

      LIQUIDATE THE BANKS. PROBLEM SOLVED. A 3rd grader could tell you what to do. Pathetic and disgusting.
    • truth_hunter  •  9 months ago
      ok...am I the only one who thinks the bald guy(I think he used to work at CNBC) is pretty annoying and unnecessarily keep babbling stupid stuff..
    • Pat Hudgins  •  9 months ago
      The new bubble, commodities manipulation, by the financial pirates, is the glue that has positive economic movement frozen in place. High cost has killed demand!
      Same players, same tactics, just a different landscape. Once they broke the housing market, they had to find a new way to clean our greens.
      They have free money, open access, and no new rules, as they methodically rape the American consumer, and worse, erode the very foundation of our Country.
      But your lawmakers, who are obviously controlled by these puppet masters ( donkeys & elephants), are the ones who are allowing this to happen!
    • Jim  •  9 months ago
      Check out what Sweden did when their banks failed, article in Wikipedia. This much like Stiglitz is describing.

      They burned out stockholders, recapitalized with gov. money and re-privatized as soon as practical, recovering much of the gov. money. (You don't want Washington running bank for one day more than necessary, Fannie and Freddie as examples).
    • T C  •  9 months ago
      See Wiki for "Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000". This federal law exempted credit default swaps from state regulation as insurance products which would have required sellers of CDS to record contingent liabilities to reserve for potential losses. Such accounting would have eliminated the sale of CDS. An official from the New York state insurance department testified before congress against this act, warning that it would cause extraordinarily risky financial transactions; his warning was not heeded because of heavy lobbying in favor of the legislation by Wall Street. This, more than any other single factor, led to the financial meltdown. Whenever an insurance contact is sold, reserves must be recorded to set aside cash to pay reasonably predictable claims. History has proven over and over that the establishment of these reserves cannot be trusted to the "honor system", thus the well developed insurance regulation function of state governments in all 50 states.
    • anthonyc  •  9 months ago
      I got a computerized call from my bank (BOA) last night, informing me, my debit card had been frozen!!! What the fluck was that all about?? Never has happened before in the twenty years I have banked with them!!!
    • TheOpinionatedBoomer  •  9 months ago
      Do you really think that the heads of America's largest banks are worried? Of course not! They know that if there was a problem, they will be bailed out by our government--because-- "They're Two Big to Fail!"
    • Tommy  •  9 months ago
      LOL - Fraud is the rule now!!! Banksters can just siphon bank assets overseas and run the banks into the ground via cooking the audit books (cooking books). DUMP THE LOSSES ON THE FDIC OR GOVERNMENT AND LET THE TAXPAYERS EAT THE LOSSES!!
    • NK  •  9 months ago
      Stiglitz's economics ideas are very interesting when it comes to stimulus spending, however his business ideas are bizare when it comes to banks. Nothing like nationalizing perfectly solvent companies in a key economic sector and replacing them with dysfunctional government decision making. Enough is enough. Time to put a stop to mortgage related litigation gone crazy, and let the banks get on with the business of banking.

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