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CEO Immelt Describes How GE Can Bring Good Jobs to Life

Greenville, South Carolina -- Jeff Immelt is the CEO of General Electric and one of the nation's largest exporters and employers. He's also the head of President Obama's jobs council. So it seems like he'd be the guy to talk to about how and when large companies can directly create the massive numbers of jobs needed to put Americans back to work.

Earlier this week, I had a chance to spend some time with Immelt, who took the reins of GE from Jack Welch in the summer of 2001. (Along with several other journalists, I visited three GE facilities in three states). And what I saw and heard suggests a seeming paradox. The U.S. should — and must -- rely on GE and its fellow gigantic global enterprises for growth, for new business and products, and for innovation. By almost any measure (save its stock price over the past decade) GE is succeeding. The company founded by Thomas Edison now derives about 60 percent of total revenues from overseas, and many of its industrial units sport impressive growth rates. But we shouldn't expect this success to translate directly into large-scale hiring on GE's factory floors. And it's not simply because GE is employing more people overseas to keep up with growing foreign demand.

By selling off a big stake in NBC and shrinking the footprint of financial services unit GE Capital, Immelt is taking GE back to its roots as a manufacturer and innovator. That was the message pounded home repeatedly as we visited several sites dealing with advanced manufacturing — complicated, big, materials- and technology-intensive things like jet engines and turbines. We started in Niskayuna, New York (outside Albany) at GE's research facility, which claims to be the first such corporate R&D lab in the U.S. and the largest in the world. "I find out what the world needs, then I proceed to invent it," reads a jaunty quote from company founder Thomas Edison plastered on a wall.

Here, hundreds of engineers and scientists spend their days figuring out how to help GE's factory do more with less: less time, less metal and, less labor. In the "additive manufacturing" lab, we saw how printing out metal and alloy components in 3-D rather than cutting them out of shapes can save time and expensive materials. Another technician demonstrated hybrid laser-arc welding, in which a fierce beam fuses pieces of metal together quickly and efficiently. "We do not sell product here, we sell innovation," said Christine Furstoss, technical director for manufacturing and material technologies. In recent years, GE has boosted R&D spending from three percent of sales to about six percent. "With all the criticism we got through the crisis, we never flinched on R&D. We doubled down," CEO Jeff Immelt told us on Wednesday. "We came out of the crisis with more products in our pipeline."

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CEO Jeff Immelt at GE's gas turbine plant in Greenville, SC.

GE's long-term focus on Six Sigma, quality management, continuous improvement (and other management jargonese) means the company is able to make a lot more stuff without having to add a lot more people. The vast jet engine plant outside Durham, North Carolina, is one of the anchors of the huge GE Aviation unit (2010 revenues: $17.6 billion). Orders for the division, which fell off a cliff in 2009, are rebounding, and the plant is expected to produce 377 engines this year. The plant's 300-odd employees are kept busy assembling and shipping off the GEnx and CF34-10 engines to Boeing and Airbus, and providing services to hundreds of airlines. The plant is also a showcase for GE's "teaming" concept, a flat management style in which workers make decisions by consensus and are largely responsible for their own work. (Imagine a highly efficient, precisely run commune.)

"We've been able to steadily grow the workforce, but haven't had to ramp it up to a great degree, because it's been offset by the productivity that we've been able to generate," said plant manager Mike Wagner, who, like every employee here, wears the unofficial uniform of jeans and a GE polo shirt. Workers here have repeatedly developed time- and material-saving innovations: a more efficient method of organizing parts, or turning platforms on which nearly-completed engines sit into mini- hovercrafts that levitate on compressed air, so the massive machinery can be manipulated with the ease of an air-hockey puck. As we drove past the solar array that generates a chunk of the plant's electricity, Wagner noted that a dozen sheep will be brought in to munch the grass. More labor savings provided by a coalition of the wooling.

In Greenville, South Carolina, GE runs the world's largest single heavy duty gas turbine manufacturing facility. While it employs 3,300 people, the cavernous plant is so mechanized and automated that it often seems as if everybody must be on break. U.S. exports in the first five months of 2011 were up 16.3 percent from the first five months of 2010, and the Greenville plant is doing its part. "Every unit that gets manufactured in this site this year is going to be exported," Immelt (navy suit, no tie) told a sea of blue-shirted employees. Brazil, India, China, and Saudi Arabia have serious power deficits, while Japan and Germany are moving away from nuclear power. The upshot: Demand for the 375,000-pound turbines, which can cost as much as $25 million, is booming. This quarter, 22 turbines will be put on specially loaded rail cars that will emerge from the plant and chug along at a snail's pace for three days to reach the port at Charleston.

GE is adding jobs at this plant and is adding thousands of new U.S.-based jobs throughout the company. But at GE, and in the industrial economy generally, jobs haven't necessarily been rising in direct proportion to rising industrial production and economic activity generally.

The reason is two-fold. First, across the economy, companies large and small have proven very adept at doing more with the same amount, or with less. The private sector has continued to rack up impressive productivity gains during this expansion, which started two years ago. (Typically, productivity rises sharply during recessions but tails off once the economy begins to grow again.) The bigger and more sophisticated the company, the more resources is has to invest in productivity-enhancing hardware, software, processes, and. . . grass-cutting sheep. Because of the continuous stream of worker suggestions, innovations, and tweaks, GE can handle a 20 or 30 percent increase in orders without increasing its employee base by 20 or 30 percent.

Second, GE, and most other manufacturers, practice lean manufacturing, which means they rely heavily on outside suppliers. The Greenville, South Carolina, turbine plant spends $1 billion annually on supplies, with $700 million of that spent in the U.S. The plant relies on 16 so-called U.S. Tier 1 suppliers, from Corry Manufacturing in Erie, Pennsylvania to Precision Castparts in Eugene, Oregon. "For every person that is in the facility, there are 8 jobs in the supply chain," Immelt told me, as we stood in front of a turbine bound for Iraq. "As we grow, our supply chain grows with us." In fact, it's likely the jobs in the supply chain will grow more rapidly than they will at GE, since smaller companies lack the scale and resources to ram through the continuous productivity enhancements that GE can. If orders for GE's gas turbines double, it won't hire twice as many people to make them. But that will translate into twice as much work for the machine-tool manufacturers, for the railroads, and for their suppliers — who will likely hire more quickly. The upshot: The real action in job creation will take place in the lengthy supply chains of GE and other large industrial firms.

Other forces are working against direct U.S. job growth at big multinationals. About 60 percent of GE's sales now come from outside the U.S. I asked Immelt whether there would be more pressure from customers abroad to have GE assemble and manufacture its turbines aboard. "There will be, and we do some now," he said. But it's a lot harder to offshore a turbine plant than it is to send a textile plant, or a shoe factory to China.

Still, it's tough to kick the feeling that the obsessive focus on productivity works at cross-purposes with the desire to create jobs, at least in the short term. Twenty or thirty years ago, the link between rising sales and job creation in basic manufacturing was simple: make more stuff, hire more people. In advanced manufacturing, the type at which the U.S. still excels and can compete, the process is a little more convoluted. One chart we saw at the jet engine plant put it: "Culture-driven efficiencies + new product introduction = more high-tech American jobs." Well, maybe. Immelt explains it a little differently as a somewhat indirect process. Productivity and innovation mean a competitive cost, which means market share and new business, which translate into more output, which translates into more jobs.

"The U.S. has to take market share to add jobs," Immelt said. "As night follows day, if we're going to double exports, we'll create manufacturing jobs." But companies can't and shouldn't be expected to sacrifice productivity for the sake of the immediate creation of jobs. Said Immelt: "It's not like I'm going to stand up and run GE and say, 'lets run Greenville to have as slow productivity as we can, so we have as many employees as we can have.'"

Daniel Gross is economics editor at Yahoo! Finance

Email him at grossdaniel11@yahoo.com ; follow him on Twitter @grossdm

His most recent book is Dumb Money: How Our Greatest Financial Minds Bankrupted the Nation.

 

336 comments

  • Rose  •  10 months ago
    ask inmelt why he sharing engine design technology with the chinese?
    • John 10 months ago
      ask Immelt how many highly paid US engineers are working on those shared engine designs.
    • Ed 10 months ago
      Honorable Immelt kiss honorable chinese a$$
  • FKU  •  10 months ago
    GE has an 80/20 policy, 80% foreign workers, 20% USA, and are one of the foremost pioneers of outsourcing and offshoring.
  • BZ  •  10 months ago
    98% of jobs in America are created by small businesses, not giant welfare queens like GE.
    • John 10 months ago
      How many of the 98% of jobs created by small businesses would be gone if it wasn't for the likes of the so call giant welfare queens.
    • Odd Duck 10 months ago
      A big company is just a successful formerly small company. As a company get larger, government taxes and regulatory costs are increased until they can no longer profitably create jobs in the US. If we treated big companies like we do small companies, we would have plenty of jobs.
    • Razorx 10 months ago
      It would be nice if GE was at least taxed on profits of exported products. BTW I bought a water heater from GE that was made in Mexico. All the water neaters had printed made in USA and darn if I didn't by the Mexican GE. @ Yahoo user GE didn't pay any taxes on latest profits, unlike "small companies."
  • Darian  •  10 months ago
    Try paying some taxes before telling us what you plan.
    • Sadden2Insanity 10 months ago
      Econ 101, the customer that buys GE's goods pay GE's taxes i.e. you, when you buy an airline ticket.
      That's trickledown!
    • Dutch 10 months ago
      Sadden That is NOT Economics 101. That is NOT trickle down either.
      It has always been that way. It is called pricing.
      Manufacturing cost+tax+X% (for profit) = Consumer cost
    • Right view 10 months ago
      G.E and all other companies that have not paid any taxes
      last year should start paying 15% flat income taxes like in
      other countries, and creat more jobs in this country even the
      jobs pay less than 10 years ago ( before $20 an hour, now
      $15 an hour, new people are happy to take it ). Also these
      companies should get into producing high speed trains etc . .
  • C  •  10 months ago
    GE has laid off tens of thousands over the last 3 years, made billions in profits, received tax-payer bailout/stimulus funds and payed no taxes. Screw em! I will not buy GE products.
    • aw1133t 10 months ago
      (1) Job loss due to sold off businesses (NBC to COMCAST, Plastics to SABIC, Live insurance, etc) (2) DID make billions in profits (Gee, I thought as a comapany they were SUPPOSED to make profits), (3) took NO government money, but PAID the federal government for load guarantees, and (4) the IRS assessed little federal income taxes in 2010 due to losses the company incurred from the 2008 financial "meltdown"... a little information goes a long way...
    • John 10 months ago
      Oh "C", you are so out of touch. You don't even have a clue how many everyday products and services you buy or use that is a product of GE.
    • Mr Jangle 10 months ago
      Actually AW there were (1)massive layoffs not related to sales of properties, but to offshoring(check labor statistics inf).(2) did make billions(there we agree), (3) took a giant interest free loan from the TARP and repaid it with profit they made when they borrowed from the fed at zero interest and charged their customers abround 3-5% interest. (4) the IRS did assess no taxes owed not only due to lost profits from 2008-09, but also from large tax loopholes and tax subsidies that their pal in the white house seems to think is wrong for the oil industry to take, but I guess his economic buddy...err jobs advisorit's okay.
  • Scott  •  10 months ago
    Yes and they laid off only 300,000 in 2 years and closed a plant in Kentucky and moved in overseas. Bit of a hypocrite......
    • aw1133t 10 months ago
      Wait, they only HAVE 300,000 employees...how did they lay off half? Do you have ANY source of real information, or do you just believe all the postings on that Interweb thingie?!?
    • catfel 10 months ago
      does GE still do business with Iran?
  • Thanhn  •  10 months ago
    GE has facilities in India that have more then 100,000 employee, latest report from Dan Rather world report few months ago. And, the CEO talking about job creation in U.S !!! Must be typo
  • Elizabeth  •  10 months ago
    Let's look at Immelt's record when he took over 10 years ago GE stock was at $45 after his imaginative leadership the stock went down to $4.50 and then had a slight recovery to $18.90. The stock has reached a high of $21, but unless GE changes its CEO the shareholders are unlikely to see much in the way of price appreciation. Immelt was responsible for building up GE Capital and he is also accountable for continuing to pour money into that operation despite claiming he is shrinking this division. The GE shareholders can only hope that Jeff finds greener pastures elsewhere. His style is to bring good things to death.
  • xx  •  10 months ago
    Will he cancel the outsource contracts and hire Americans?

    Otherwise, next
  • Harry  •  10 months ago
    Immelt continues to be the most incompetent CEO in the free world, also the most untruthful. How does one know he's lying.....easy, his mouth is open. Not only has he tanked the stock since being anointed CEO, but destroyed the dividend a few hours after saying the company was strong and the dividend safe. Switch him with anyone from the janitorial staff, they couldn't possibly do any worse.
  • MarkW  •  10 months ago
    "The U.S. should — and must -- rely on GE and its fellow gigantic global enterprises for growth, for new business and products, and for innovation." Really? Opinions are like #$%$ – the LSM always has one, and they generally all stink! SMALL BUSINESS IS WHAT DRIVES INNOVATION, AND THIS COUNTRY. Not your precious globalized conglomerate that’s moved 50% of its jobs overseas during the last 15 years! Wake up media! Quit taking and reporting this hand-filled #$%$
  • connie  •  10 months ago
    GE has cut some fifty thousand jobs since the guy to over--great person for that slot--shows what can happen if you have a TV network to give someone all the government jobs GE has goes to China--we pay for it
  • Vote Libertarian  •  10 months ago
    The kings of outsourcing talking about American jobs. I'm not even going to read this dribble. They lost me in the caption "good jobs". These are the ones who took the "good" jobs and sent them to India and China.
  • Robin Mysavings  •  10 months ago
    GE, an American multi billion dollar empire, that pays no income tax. Doesn't it make you feel proud to live in a country that values empires, more than it's people?
  • Bruce  •  10 months ago
    I just retired from a job that paid me $185,000. I designed embedded software for the communications industry. I learned by doing, by working hard, and by producing things that made my company money. I had a high school diploma and most of the recent college grads I saw come on board couldn't cut the mustard unless they were from Asia where the work ethic still reigns. If one has acquired proficiency in mathematics and language and is willing to partake in lifelong learning, risk taking, and hard work, the road to economic success is still open. If you think 50 dollar an hour assembly jobs will ever be revived in this country you are in for a rude surprise.
  • LegalizeMe  •  10 months ago
    GE is down 37,000 jobs in the last 3 years (downsizing and outsourcing) and we're supposed to listen to Immelt about jobs?

    Hahahahahah. That's a good one.
  • A Yahoo! User  •  10 months ago
    G.E. "Will you be paying any taxes this year"?
  • diamond  •  10 months ago
    Who cares what Jeff Immelt thinks about politics. He should be concentrating on running GE rather than slobbering over Obama and being his mouth piece. Ge's stock has been in the tank ever ince
  • dontfoolyaself  •  10 months ago
    who is he trying to kid. yes, the people understand automation. the also undrestand offshoring. just like another person commented, for every american worker laid off, ge is replacing with 8 workers in a foreign land. yea, blame it on automation
  • Harry  •  10 months ago
    GE has let go of over 27,000 employees since 2009, and this clown talks as he is the solution to the problem, Immelt is the problem.

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Daniel Gross joined Yahoo! Finance in the fall of 2010 as columnist, economics editor, and a co-host of The Daily Ticker. The best-selling author of six books, including Forbes Greatest Business Stories and Dumb Money: How Our Greatest Financial Minds Bankrupted the Nation, Gross has been covering politics, business, and economics for two decades. The longtime “Moneybox” columnist for Slate, he was a staff writer and columnist for Newsweek and a contributor to the “Economic View” column in the New York Times.

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