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Davos Dispatch: Nobelist Spence on ‘Next Convergence’

Davos is full of egos as large and forbidding as the surrounding mountains. But few people at the World Economic Forum are as down to earth, or wear their celebrity and achievement as lightly, as Michael Spence, the Nobel Prize-winning economist, occasional guest on the Daily Ticker and author of The Next Convergence.

The Next Convergence is a story about how the 85 percent of the world's population that has heretofore been shut out of prosperity is rapidly boosting its wealth and living standards. (See my review of the book here.) The thesis rests in part on the ability of massive-but-poor countries like China and India to rack up 8 percent growth year after year after year, and the willingness and ability of already-rich countries to help lift countries out of poverty through trade and aid.

But recent events may call for a recalibration of the thesis. In some ways, convergence between rich and poor may be happening more quickly than we think — because living standards in wealthy countries such as Greece, Portugal and Ireland, are showing signs of declining. On the other hand, growth seems to be slowing in China, India and Europe.

I sat down with Spence for a reality check. "It looked after the crisis as if the emerging economies could sustain relatively high growth in an environment in which the advanced economies are flat, but relatively stable," he said. But that's not quite what is happening now. With the U.S. mired in slow growth, Europe shrinking and uncertainty rampant, "that's knocked off enough demand to slow the emerging economies down some."

Growth in China, while still raging, has slowed down. Skeptics might point to property bubbles and social unrest and question whether the world's growth juggernaut can continue. Spence breaks China's predicament into "short-term challenges and big structural changes." In the short term, China is coping with inflation, municipal debt, non-performing loans and a range of other challenges. But Spence believes China's central government has the balance sheet, resources and skills to deal with them. "Unlike in Western countries, the government balance sheet in China is enormous, with low debt and a large amount of assets." The upshot: "I give them a likely pass on the short-term challenges." On the long-term structural challenges, however, "the jury is still out." China needs to reform and restructure its economy, with less reliance on investment and more reliance on consumption.

Spence is more concerned about the short-term trajectory of India, whose massive population has much to gain from the Great Convergence. A loss of momentum for reform of the economy — efforts to open up the retailing sector to foreign investment were recently rolled back — and political corruption have deterred some investment. "They have a continuing challenge of infrastructure, with limited public resources to get things done."

Spence points to another trend that could potentially benefit India — and harm China. In the next several years, as wages and standards of living rise in China, it is likely to export tens of millions of jobs to lower-cost locations. Just as companies have concluded that it makes more economic sense to offshore jobs from the U.S. to China, companies currently manufacturing in China may soon find that it makes more economic sense to manufacture elsewhere in Asia, or in South Asia, or in Africa. "It's a huge opportunity for developing countries, and I think India ought to be in the running for some of them," Spence said. "And it's not clear to me that they're taking this possibility entirely seriously."

Daniel Gross is economics editor at Yahoo! Finance.

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33 comments

  • A Yahoo User  •  3 months ago
    Everyone isn't made for higher education and hi-tech jobs. We need to manufacture more of what we buy to keep more people employed, even if things cost more. Chances are they will be of better quality. What we don't need is a country run for the benefit of wealthy people. Too many of the manufactured goods from developing countries are just junk. If we refuse to buy the junk, corporations will have to move their manufacturing facilities back to the USA.
    • John Galt 3 months ago
      I think you're saying that manufacturing doesn't require much skill. If you are, your premise is wrong. Even manufacturing has become automated to the extent that tech skills are required. If some people aren't cut out for skilled labor...maybe very skilled...then they should get used to living on a tight budget. But you're right about one thing: if we were descriminating enough to see the difference between quality and garbage, there would likely be more things manufactured in the US. But it seems that most people can't do the calculation and come up with the right answer: that paying 5x the price to buy one item that will last a lifetime is better than buying the cheaper product 10 times.
    • Mak Newt 3 months ago
      I agree we need to manufacture more of what we buy; but I am less and less inclined to believe that made in China is synonym with low quality. We exported our manufacturing knowledge, and that helps them greatly to compete. The quality of China made products has gone up quite a lot in the past several years.
    • NewEconomics 3 months ago
      The trouble is that high tech is extremely efficient - in short, we need fewer people to run the world. If we think in the classical way, there will be fewer jobs. Your proposal for people to pay more is a form of voluntary subsidy, that simply won't work. Your thought that Chinese products are of bad quality because they are Chinese is ... well ... nationally biased. Chinese products are bad because they are made that way. It seems that is the preference of the customers - for a display of this principle visit your nearest Wal Mart. Chinese can put out quality products, it will just cost more.

      The way out is not closing our borders. It will cost us way more that it will save. The way out is education. Some people not getting math and science is understandable and manageable, most people not getting it is tragedy.
  • MOVER X  •  Elmhurst, Illinois  •  3 months ago
    "In the next several years, as wages and standards of living rise in China, it is likely to export tens of millions of jobs to lower-cost locations."

    We are already in trouble. Now even China will suffer from this obsessive race to the bottom.
    • Argos 3 months ago
      Companies have been moving west in China and out of China altogether for over a decade now, in search of lower wages.
    • JoeBagaDoughnuts 3 months ago
      China's manufacturing is going to India. It's nothing to do with skills or how hard you work it's to do with the cost of labour. Child labour in the case of India.
    • Not Me 3 months ago
      Making$600 iPads with 15 year olds paid $0.70/hr is too expensive. Time to find cheaper labor to exploit.
  • kjwswf  •  Fort Myers, Florida  •  3 months ago
    What goes around... keeps going around... to the lowest bidder. My experience with low bids is, of course, you get what you pay for. Just look at the quality of Sony products now that a percentage of their components come from China... Then you have the matter of exponents, when 10% of China becomes unemployed, it becomes a BIG problem.
    • Allyn 3 months ago
      10% is unemployed
  • Sundog  •  3 months ago
    Davos: Where the wealthiest and most powerful strategize how to keep their wealth and power.
  • CB01  •  3 months ago
    The next great challenge is to break the cycle where the only way to stay rich is to have an endless supply of cheap labor.
  • DexterC  •  3 months ago
    It's all about profit... businesses do not exist without them. When Japan started competing with other companies in Japan afte driving so many companies in other parts of the world out of business thanks to operational efficiencies, they began competing against each other. Once this happened they drove the profits out of each others business and their economy collapsed. The same will hold true of the chinese - they are starting to compete for labor against each other driving each other out of business - China will not grow at the same rate because the profits won't be there to allow them to grow at the same rate - the article above seems to be missing this important fact and why I chose to pass on the book.
  • Gary  •  Los Angeles, California  •  3 months ago
    when in doubt... just extrapolate by straight line from current trends... sure and where does that get you... a 50 trillion dollar economy based on what... selling to smaller guys like the US and europe at that point.... it doesn't happen that way and it can't happen... eventually china will slow down to 2 and 3 percent growth and end up like Japan... wages and costs are very high in japan but they do pretty well considering. there are no other countries with a work ethic... except maybe vietnam and all these other countries are poor mostly because they either have huge corruption and/or not work ethic as per western norms. americans are still one of the hardest workers out there and eventually things have to come back here to get done.
    • Argos 3 months ago
      In the past 30 years, GDP in America has more than doubled. GDP in China has increased more than 100-fold. No one expects China's GDP to increase another 100 times by 2040. But it won't have to to overtake the US.
      Instead of criticizing China, we should learn from it. China's leaders do what they think is best for China, the rest of the world be damned.
  • Quincy Magoo  •  3 months ago
    Lets first pretend that Western debt isn't a problem, that it isn't inevitable that Western economies will default unless extensive structural changes take place. The biggest hurdle facing the "developing" world is going to be the cost of fuel, food, and water. Moving slightly above poverty levels only to have food increase substantially puts the worlds poor back into poverty and probable starvation. Since our food is a tradable commodity now, its only a matter of time before food prices experience bubbles much like we've seen in fuel prices. China may be growing old faster than it can grow up, remaining a second-tier economy. India doesn't seem to be governed well, and may have shot itself in the foot by emphasizing services instead of manufacturing as a way to grow in the coming decades. No, for the next many decades, it appears that the West will be the drivers of global growth, and its debt overhang will continue to cripple significant progress everywhere.
  • JoeBagaDoughnuts  •  3 months ago
    YouTube "How to silence a Nobel Prize winning economist" so funny ;D
  • asdf  •  San Jose, California  •  3 months ago
    If these Nobel economists are so wise beyond the lot of mortals, why did not any of them sound the alarm about housing prices rising too fast to be sustainable? Many of my friends who are small business owners predicted the crash several years before it occurred.
  • Free Willy  •  San Luis Obispo, California  •  3 months ago
    Americans make better stuff than the Chinese
  • nextinning  •  3 months ago
    There was most certainly a convergence, but it is nothing like Spence describes. It was a convergence of Moore's Law (cheap semiconductors that radically lowered the cost of information) and free market policies that were gradually and systematically put in place by the governments in emerging economies. You can read about the abject failures of aid in the book "Dead Aid." Aid had nothing to do with the success of China, India or Latin America, but has had plenty to do with the oppression in countries that have failed to grow and countries like Greece that are mired in fiscal problems.
  • Daniel  •  3 months ago
    John Kennedy said "rising tide lifts all boats" & I'll bet he was not the first.
  • frankmargel.com  •  3 months ago
    America can lead by example and information rather than by nation building and globalistic policies that hamper it's own wealth and vitality. America is not broke, it's misleading to promote morality at the expense of strength, vitality and national pride. What is not found in corrupt slave labor countries and emerging military threats is a deep appreciation and respect for the United States of America. Slave labor is real and packaged to promote genuine economic growth? Yep! Print that, thanks! Where do I get my prize? Thanks!
  • Not Me  •  3 months ago
    China still has 36% of its population living on less than $2/day. India has over 70%. Yes their averages have come up dramatically from where they used to be but that is only because a small percentage of the population got ALL of that growth and is now much richer, while their cost of living stayed low. The masses are still dirt-poor. The masses in Africa, Latin America and SE Asia are also dirt-poor. Higher cost of living will doom them all. The prosperity is not going to spread throughout the rest of India or China anytime soon.
  • Allyn  •  Arden, North Carolina  •  3 months ago
    The US needs to lead in efficent manufacturing, ( not labor dependant), information technology, (not labot dependant) very efficent agriculture, (not labor dependant) do you see where I am going? Fortunatly we are reling of brain power, not brawn and our politicians need to stop promising that we will bring back manual labor jobs because we just can't compete there with our high standard of living that we feel we are entitled to. Transforming 50% of the population to a government dependant class is a dispicable thing to do. When a $35,000 annual income of for a family of 4 is considered poor in the US, but is in the top 1% for world income something is wrong with our defination of poor.
  • Cameron  •  Reno, Nevada  •  3 months ago
    Gross managed not to embarrass himslef this time
  • Henry  •  3 months ago
    I bought a Made-in-USA Craftsman pliers for $10.79, and few hours later I was at the 99¢ Store and saw one for a $1. A perfect example that the balance has tipped toward our irrelevancy in the world, and the USA is heading toward bankruptcy (payables not matching receivables).
  • Harpo  •  Raleigh, North Carolina  •  3 months ago
    Daniel, you have the NERVE to write this sentence: """because living standards in wealthy countries such as Greece, Portugal and Ireland, are showing signs of declining.""" WEALTHY??? PIGS is WEALTHY??? They are BROKE and so is your credibility!
  • Fabian  •  Irvine, California  •  3 months ago
    In Switzerland, in one of the state, Valais, known for Zermatt, they just passed a law fixing the minimum wage at CHF 25 (USD 27) per hour and China should be too expansive. I suppose that's why the expression "a world of difference" exists.

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Daniel Gross joined Yahoo! Finance in the fall of 2010 as columnist, economics editor, and a co-host of The Daily Ticker. The best-selling author of six books, including Forbes Greatest Business Stories and Dumb Money: How Our Greatest Financial Minds Bankrupted the Nation, Gross has been covering politics, business, and economics for two decades. The longtime “Moneybox” columnist for Slate, he was a staff writer and columnist for Newsweek and a contributor to the “Economic View” column in the New York Times.

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