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Debt Ceiling Deadlock: Why the Markets Don’t Seem to Care

The U.S. is inching closer to default, and in Washington the two sides are digging trenches whose depths rival the Mariana Trench. But the markets don't seem to care.

Over the weekend, both President Obama and House Speaker John Boehner insisted a deal needed to be completed before the Asian markets opened on Sunday afternoon New York time. Of course, the Asian markets greeted the lack of resolution with a collective shrug, as did the U.S. markets. On Monday, things only got worse, with a day of backbiting culminating in dueling prime-time speeches. And yet on Tuesday morning in New York, stock futures were up (although the market open mixed, with the Dow dragging close to 50 points) and the 10-year bond was trading at 3.00. Does that look like an impending crisis to you?

Many of my colleagues in the financial-political press seem to think we are about to see a repeat of the fall of 2008. Back then, amid market turmoil, the first Congressional vote on the TARP failed. But the horrific market reaction forced Congress to swiftly reconsider. The conventional wisdom holds that market turmoil forced Congress and the White House to bite the bullet and pass necessary, unpopular legislation. The presumption today is that only such market forces —- carnage in the bond market, a crash in the stock market, the hammer of a a credit agency downgrade -- will make Democrats and Republicans come together and strike a deal.

Don't hold your breath.

We're not supposed to say that it is different this time, but it is different this time. The 'markets,' to the degree that they have a mind, seem not to be too troubled by the debt-ceiling brinksmanship. Back in the 1990s, the common notion in Washington, popularized by Clinton adviser Robert Rubin and Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, was that the bond market is like a crowd at a Roman gladiator match, signaling approval or disapproval of fiscal policy on a daily basis. But it clearly no longer serves that function.

Despite the hand-wringing about American decline and the constant refrain that the U.S. is the next Greece, the bond markets remain remarkably permissive. The U.S. government is currently borrowing for 10 years at almost exactly 3 percent, an extraordinarily low rate that is within spitting distance of a historic low. Look at the chart from the past six months. The Federal Reserve has stopped buying bonds, the political stalemate has worsened, inflation hasn't disappeared. And yet interest rates are contained. Why? As John Tamny of RealClearMarkets.com and I discuss in the accompanying video, nobody really believes the U.S. government is going to default, even if it pierces the debt ceiling next week.

Nobody believes that the 10-year and 30-year bonds are not money good — i.e., they won't be paid off on time. This is emphatically not like the Lehman Brothers situation, when the world woke up one Monday and realized that $650 billion in debt was likely to be settled for pennies on the dollar. The government has revenues, and it has plenty of other people to stiff before it stiffs bondholders. In a time of turmoil and crisis, even when the crisis is over whether the government will pay its debts, the U.S. Treasury market is a safe haven. So don't look for it to be the fiscal enforcer.

As for the credit ratings, again, don't hold your breath. It would be an exceedingly bold move for S&P and Moody's to downgrade the U.S. sovereign credit rating. And, generally, these firms only act on sovereign credits after the market has made them look like chumps by driving up interest rates. If there has been a time in history when S&P downgraded a sovereign credit that was borrowing for 10 years at 3 percent, I'm not aware of it. Despite their desire to get ahead of the curve, the ratings agencies won't act until well after the market does.

(Note: the previous paragraph contained an error. As a few astute readers, including Paul Krugman of the New York Times have noted, Japan was downgraded in 2002 . And at the time its ten-year bond was yielding well under 3 percent.)

What about the stock markets? Here, too, people hoping that a swift downdraft will spur action are likely to be disappointed. It's an enduring truism that the Dow and S&P 500, and indeed the global markets, are some barometer of opinion about how the U.S. is doing. That made sense in the late 1990s, when the U.S. represented about one-third of the global economy and its stock markets represented about 50 percent of global stock market capitalization.

While the U.S. is still the world's largest economy, global markets don't care so much about what happens here as they used to. Assuming the debt brinksmanship leads to a slowdown in U.S. growth, it won't put much of a crimp in Asian stock markets. The U.S. today is about 25 or 26 percent of the global economy and, more important, accounts for only a small sliver of the world's growth. As the rest of the world trades more with each other and less with the U.S., America has less ability to impact the trajectory of global growth. And if you believe the markets are rational and constantly factor in known data, well, sluggish U.S. growth and political dysfunction aren't exactly news.

Perhaps it is more surprising that the U.S. stock market has held up well in the face of this brinksmanship. And indeed, it's more likely that effects of a stalemate would be felt in the stock market than the bond market. Why? Huge deficit cuts, and a suspension of delay in the payment of salaries, benefits and entitlements would contribute to a demand shock, slowing growth (good for bonds, bad for stocks.) It could be that stock investors aren't watching cable news 24/7. But Phere, again, there's a sense that Washington, and even the U.S. economy, matters less and less with each passing day. Consider this: The typical member of the S&P 500 already gets about half of its revenues (and probably most or all of its growth) from overseas. The bigger the company, the less tethered to the U.S. Consider Intel, McDonald's, Coca-Cola, Apple; their earnings reports show that they are being driven by growth overseas.

If Washington is going to act on the debt ceiling and the long-term deficit, it will have to do so out of its own volition and sense of responsibility —- and not because of the savage demands of the credit and stock markets. Get ready for a few more weeks of brinksmanship.

Daniel Gross is economics editor at Yahoo! Finance.

Email him at grossdaniel11@yahoo.com; follow him on Twitter @grossdm.

 

 

 

11 comments

  • chip17157  •  9 months ago
    It seems as though whatever steps were taken a decade ago, (and by whom) has sure taken it's toll on the economy of our country. Sense we're making history here, lets print it correctly from now on, so our children don't learn the lies from future history books like we did. If America is really all that - we must be truthfull about the mistakes being made. I'd like to see that as a part of the Next presidential campaign, from all parties. Sick of finger pointing. Economically we don't need this as some platform, nore the health care issues, like in 2008. What a Joke that turned out to be! Let's focus on the idiocy and failures - get them out in the open, by all parties; We need to know the truth, and discussions about reforming our government, By the People for once, to allow a real healing to begin. I know I'm ranting to the blind, but Professional politicians like the current staff throughout Washington isn't going to fix anything. Why should they? And of course Finger pointing Like what I'm seeing in the comment sections is so childlike. Grow up.
  • AnniB  •  10 months ago
    This feels like a political coup by Republicans seeking to take over the government.
    • patr 10 months ago
      Not to worry. Their plans never really work out, that's why we have so many troops in the middle east. I believe they think because they wear a suit and tie they're smarter than the average bear. They're not, that's how we got here. Thay've been Penny smart and pound foolish since I can remember.
    • Maldor 9 months ago
      Maybe the suit and ties will work in Libya where they're so smart! Don't worry the Democrat strong arms will insure projected cuts in military spending will remain a projection that can't be met as you pay more to support this. Pretty good take over!
    • ridiculousforsure 9 months ago
      A bloodless coup so far by obama--he has spent us into oblivion. Too bad for you government parasites---you won't get to suck the teat anymore.

      HaHaHa---you welfare kings and queens.
  • ridiculousforsure  •  9 months ago
    Did a truck run over Gross' head. He definitely is gross.
  • TimothyA  •  9 months ago
    hmmmm instead the gov. of the usa need to forfiet there pay put back inot our country, make then live the way the rest of us do and make them have same insurance medicare and medicade we have I bet ya there would not have been this crap would not have took place. GRRRRRRRRRRR we the people have acrried the burden of the debt on our backs, now there washington, congress and senator, see what it feels like to live on a fixed income like most of us do.
  • Ob Server  •  9 months ago
    Obama, the Democrats and their butt-boys in the press won't compromise—even for the sake of the country!
    • ben 9 months ago
      You mean the tea party & repubs?
  • David Koch  •  9 months ago
    What are you talking about?
  • Debby  •  10 months ago
    you know if someone causes the united states financial harm they call it economic terrorism which if your a congressman/senator this would fall also under treason,wheres are homeland security when we need it. we the people need to say if you cost the people any financial harm you will be tried for treason/economic terrorism and brought out to the streets and shot publically. this goverment is a business you all should be given your termination august 2nd if you screw this up without pay and be forced to pay full restitution to the american people the full debt that you cause us. reap what you all have sewn.
  • Just Old Me  •  9 months ago
    Please keep spending in check some of us actually work for this money and want it spent wisely STOP SPENDING
  • Maldor  •  9 months ago
    I'm really have to wonder how a party votes straight line in the house against a bill and then votes dead before arrival in the senate. thats not compromise. a party of no. i didn't see one attempt from the party of no to announce any kind of solution in the house. just vote no.
  • Jimo  •  9 months ago
    The economic and political experts and leaders in the US and all over the world have expressed their concerns over the inaction of the US govt. Nobody has quantified the amount of political and financial catastrophe to expect. We know that this situation is going to be worse than any hurricane, but we never characterize the hurricane with inaction even though we do not know exactly the level at landfall. It is very un-American to be re-active instead of proactive. Too much media brouhaha is wasted on the market. The media should also spend time explaining to the regular Americans how the Govt inaction will affect them.
  • Grant  •  10 months ago
    Hey Dan - What happened to your tweet from yesterday about "if the NASDAQ goes positive.."? Oops. Say goodbye to 2.65%. I'd say somebody out there cares.

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Daniel Gross joined Yahoo! Finance in the fall of 2010 as columnist, economics editor, and a co-host of The Daily Ticker. The best-selling author of six books, including Forbes Greatest Business Stories and Dumb Money: How Our Greatest Financial Minds Bankrupted the Nation, Gross has been covering politics, business, and economics for two decades. The longtime “Moneybox” columnist for Slate, he was a staff writer and columnist for Newsweek and a contributor to the “Economic View” column in the New York Times.

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