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Contrary Indicator

Preliminary Reports Offer Contradictory Views on November Jobs

The first Friday of every month brings the much-anticipated employment report, in which the Bureau of Labor Statistics tells us how many jobs were created (or lost) in the month, and calculates the unemployment rate. But in the week leading up to the BLS report, we get two private sector readings on the state of the labor market, from ADP/Macroeconomic Advisers and from TrimTabs.

Generally, the three reports move in the same direction. But this month, the two non-government reports are offering contradictory conclusions. The ADP report out this morning provides a snapshot of a private-sector job market that is growing at a rapid rate. The private sector added 206,000 jobs in November, and it revised the total from October from 110,000 to 130,000. That's the biggest single gain in a month since December 2010. ADP found strength in services, manufacturing and construction, with the job creation equally split between large and small businesses. Like BLS, ADP relies on estimates from a survey of employers. Macroeconomic Advisers makes estimates based on the data produced by the 430,000 businesses, covering 23 million employees, for which ADP processes payrolls. ADP's clients cover about 21 percent of private sector employment. (The methodology is described here.)

On the other hand, TrimTabs (trimtabs.com), a firm that looks at data flow, sees a deceleration in jobs growth. Its report suggests that after adding 160,000 jobs in October, the economy added a total of just 64,000 jobs in November. It reaches its conclusions by looking at a different set of figures: the money flowing into the coffers of the Treasury Department, which are reported daily (you can see the Daily Treasury Statement here.) TrimTabs notes that these figures are "historically more accurate than initial estimates from the Bureau of Labor Statistics." Given the amount of payroll and income taxes that are being paid, it can make estimates on the total payrolls.

This month, the reports before the report are offering starkly differing results. Trim Tabs shows a sharp deceleration in the pace of job creation in the economy at large, while ADP shows a sharp increase in job creation in the private sector.

Who's right? They could both be right, to a degree. The ADP figures don't account for the public sector — i.e., government jobs. And as we've long been noting, for the past two years, the public sector has been cutting jobs every month even as the private sector adds them. Any measure that only takes into account private-sector employment is likely to be sunnier than one that looks at all employment. So it's likely that the ADP report could be a little too optimistic. Meanwhile, as we discussed last week, after a summer lull, the general indicators in the economy have been strengthening throughout the fall — including employment indicators. Which leads one to conclude that Trim Tabs may be a bit pessimistic. Splitting the difference between the two yields a gain of about 130,000 jobs for the month, which is pretty close to the trend of recent months.

Daniel Gross is economics editor at Yahoo! Finance.

Follow him on Twitter @grossdm; email him at grossdaniel11@yahoo.com

His most recent book is Dumb Money: How Our Greatest Financial Minds Bankrupted the Nation

 

37 comments

  • Phyla nodiflora  •  5 months ago
    Maybe both firms are correct. There are more jobs but the total payroll is not increasing at the same rate as the job growth because average wages are going down.
  • Tom  •  5 months ago
    Well Mr. Common Sense, I don't know where you live or work but I know for absolute certainty that my company has about 150 open job reqs in 4 locations in the US.
    • HENRY 5 months ago
      we have enough drug dealers allready
    • JOHN H 5 months ago
      Tom, This is reality.Quit guessing your facts.
  • joe  •  5 months ago
    Usually Dan would jump on the bandwagon and say how great everything is. It would be nice to mention how the ADP numbers have been consistently high for the last several months. The funny thing aboout the ADP numbers is last fall they showed jobs being lost and nobody cared about them. But when they started coming out with wildly inflated numbers everyone wanted to say how great everything was. One month ADP said about 130,000 jobs adn the real nubmer came out at 0. Most of these jobs creted are short term, part time jobs. UPS hired 55,000 people and those jobs end on Dec 24th. It will be interesting to see what Jan. looks like.
  • jeff  •  5 months ago
    these are probably seasonal employment for the holiday season. you'll see an increase in claims in Jan. or Feb.
    • Mark 5 months ago
      ADP numbers are seasonally adjusted. perhaps you should rethink
    • Tom 5 months ago
      these are seasonal jobs jeff is the only one to see this i wish the news casters could and stop bs-ing the public
  • David  •  5 months ago
    What? The world is not ending..Daniel Gross did not write this article.
  • Athena  •  5 months ago
    Interesting, objective article from Daniel Gross (for a change).
    • KingTon 5 months ago
      Excuse me? I'm no Dan Gross fan but Yahoo is one of the few places where you can get objective views. TV is out of question biased to both sides....
    • Athena 5 months ago
      The most recent slanted piece from Dan Gross that I can recall was an analysis of Steve Jobs. But I try to give credit where credit is due.
    • Steve 5 months ago
      Daniel Gross still loves Obama's balls in his face. I'd put my balls in your face, Nostradamus. Your avatar looks cute.
  • Robert  •  5 months ago
    The Obama "Serial Economists" are all in denial. They are as crazy as today's Wall Street speculators swept-up into a buying frenzy. One big problem. The Euro is going to collapse and the paradigm is that none of them can see the forest for the trees. The only smart players are buying gold and silver. That's why the precious metals market is spiking. The big bad number on the unemployment rate is to first drop the smoke screen and accept that joblessness is well over 24% across the board. Otherwise, buy whiskey because rainy days are coming fast.
  • Dr Strangeluv  •  5 months ago
    I constantly hear of companies laying off people, I seldom hear when companies hire.
    • Kurt 5 months ago
      Thats because instead of telling you about the new jobs, your friends are applying for those jobs. lol
  • PersonalResponsibility  •  5 months ago
    If the democrats can just tax a few more employers to pay for lazy entitlement junkies the whole economy will turn around. Taxing employers and investors helps jobs and so does giving money to those that do not bother to work. It all makes complete sense.
  • me  •  5 months ago
    In summary its a mystery and no one really knows whats happening so it should be written as "We the experts so you say, have somewhat not so bad OK news...we have determined that we can't be sure of anything bad, but of anything good either. Therefore be just somewhat moved we know less than you do and have a great day as your future is certain to be uncertain. Tune in next month to read our ongoing helpful report".
  • Money Multiplier Man  •  5 months ago
    Can FICA withholding money get to the treasury and be reported the very same month an employee is hired?
    • Mark 5 months ago
      yes. By law payroll taxes have to be deposited to the Treasury within 3 business days following payment to employee.
  • Fred  •  5 months ago
    Morons, these are just holiday minimum wage jobs over at the end of year, anyone
    can see that, don't know where they pull these numbers from (their a.s.s. ?) but
    unemployement has been steadily rising as more companies shift operations overseas...
  • Ed  •  5 months ago
    HAHAHA - temporary retail hiring accelerated in 2011 to November, instead of December like 2010. "The private sector added 206,000 jobs in November, and it revised the total from October from 110,000 to 130,000. That's the biggest single gain in a month since December 2010. "
  • ghost writer  •  5 months ago
    lets wit till xmas is over and see if these "trends" continue or abate,as for me,i'll bet that they fall again
  • LibsRLiars  •  5 months ago
    ADP counts the illegals who don't pay taxes. Oops! Don't let that slip again.
  • Al An F  •  5 months ago
    This lib hack calls 206,000 jobs created rapid pace? What a hoot. When GWB was POTUS 450,000 jobs created was a recession in the making. When all of the pumping and propping up by media and fed gov't we'll find ourselves at Dow = 5000 at the most.
  • Pat Walsh  •  5 months ago
    the only number that matters is private business.
  • Honest John  •  5 months ago
    Tricksters!!!!
  • first  •  5 months ago
    Both reports could be right. The ADP report is a leading indicator that might count on the seasonal employment, on the other hand, the treasury report doesn't include the payroll tax that is going to come in from those seasonal employees.
  • Tom  •  5 months ago
    I really don't know what all you conservatives are complaining about. This is exactly what you've been asking for. Shrinking public sector and growing private sector. Funny how the exact opposite was true in the Bush recovery and you seem to think those were the days of wine and roses.

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Daniel Gross joined Yahoo! Finance in the fall of 2010 as columnist, economics editor, and a co-host of The Daily Ticker. The best-selling author of six books, including Forbes Greatest Business Stories and Dumb Money: How Our Greatest Financial Minds Bankrupted the Nation, Gross has been covering politics, business, and economics for two decades. The longtime “Moneybox” columnist for Slate, he was a staff writer and columnist for Newsweek and a contributor to the “Economic View” column in the New York Times.

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