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Jeremy Siegel, Ph.D. The Future for Investors

Jeremy Siegel, Ph.D., The Future for Investors

Buffett Wisdom

by Jeremy Siegel, Ph.D.

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Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007, 12:00AM
It was a frigid February night when United Flight 343 set down at Omaha’s Eppley Field. The temperature was 3 degrees and mounds of snow lined the runways. But the weather did not dampen our enthusiasm to hear Warren Buffett’s perspectives on the economy, the markets, and anything else that might be on his mind.

Every February Berkshire Hathaway invites a hundred or so Wharton students – MBAs and undergraduates – to visit the firm and listen to “The Oracle of Omaha.”  You could scarcely find a more focused and excited group of students and Buffett, who delights in mentoring his young admirers, does not disappoint them.

Before he was scheduled to meet with the Wharton students, I was privileged to talk with the chief of Berkshire Hathaway. Some advice to those who meet him for the first time: don’t ask him to predict the market– he won’t and he doesn’t need to.  He believes that there are always opportunities to find undervalued stocks and sometimes the entire market is so mispriced that profitable trades await savvy investors.

Threats to Markets

But Buffett did tell me that he thinks that risk premiums are too low and that events like 9-11—or worse – can happen at any time. He said that the probability that a nuclear device could be triggered by a terrorist in Manhattan or in Washington (say, at the Federal Reserve) cannot be ignored and probably is not factored into the market.

I asked Warren whether he would be a buyer if such terrorism struck, and, after a moment of reflection, he said “yes.”  Despite his concern of terrorism, Buffett maintains a long-term bullish view of American equities.

Buffett also thinks the large and growing U.S. trade deficit is a big threat to the markets.  His concerns were one of the reasons he had taken a sizable short position on the dollar several years ago. Although he has since pared his position, he still believes that the U.S. saves too little and consumes too much, paying for these imported goods and services with government debt (which he termed “pieces of paper”) that are future claims on our resources.  He believes this huge deficit is a threat to the dollar and invites future inflation.

This is one of the few issue on which we disagree. I believe many Asian countries want to run trade surpluses and are perfectly happy to continue buying our government bonds.  Certainly the dollar may decline; but the greenback is already cheap when compared against major world currencies on a purchasing power basis.  Betting against the dollar is not a sure thing.

Nevertheless, Warren and I totally agree about the foolishness of preventing cross-border mergers, such as the political opposition to the Chinese oil company, CNOOC’s bid for Unocal last year.  I believe that any actions that discourage the foreign flow of capital have far more serious consequences for our dollar and capital markets than the trade deficit itself.

Buyout Surge

Buffett commented negatively on the recent buyout surge and drew some comparisons with a similar phenomenon in the late 1980s.  He criticized private equity that sweeps down and buys firms, “gussies them up,” (to use his term) by stripping and leveraging their assets and firing employees, and then spits them out to the public at a higher price.

When Buffett buys a firm, he instead maintains a hands-off management style and allows managers to do the good jobs that they were doing.  Although Warren may not pay as much as private equity, he attracts owners who care more about their firm’s reputation and their employees than making a few extra dollars on the sale.  As a result, Berkshire can buy a dollar’s worth of assets for less than one dollar, enhancing Berkshire’s value.

Buffett wouldn’t say that all buyouts are bad for shareholders.  The current craze certainly has not gone as far as the late 1980s, when exotic debt instruments, such as no-cash PIK (paid-in-kind) bonds burst onto the scene.  Indeed part of the reason for today’s buyout surge is that straight debt is very cheap.  Furthermore, there are some firms that should profitably redeploy their assets and may have too much cash on their balance sheets.  Nevertheless, owners who want to sell their company intact have an option if they are willing to accept a deal below top price. A good description of Buffett’s style can be found by reading how he purchased ISCAR, an Israeli tool manufacturer, in the latest annual report.

Long Term Capital Management

One student asked about Berkshire’s role in the Long-Term Capital Management (LTCM) crisis that rocked the financial markets in 1998. It was obvious that Warren wished that he had been able to buy LTCM’s positions when the Fed forced a resolution of the crisis that was crippling the government bond market.

The LTCM crisis was a ready-made example of Warren’s philosophy of buying firms when the economics was right, yet fear ruled the markets.  He noted that “off-the-run” (non-benchmark) government bonds were selling to yield 30 basis points more than the “on-the-run” (benchmark) bonds that were maturing just six months later.  He rightly claimed that this made no sense economically.

LTCM had taken a huge leveraged position in these bonds when the spreads were much smaller, but didn’t have the collateral to hold on to it when the spread widened.  Buffett quoted John Maynard Keynes, who wrote in 1931 that “The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.” As the spread widened, Keynes’ dictum became devastatingly relevant for LTCM.  But Berkshire, with its huge cash hoard, could withstand the pressure of even more market irrationality before the spread eventually returned to normal.

Unfortunately, Warren was never able to consummate the deal.  He had been invited by Bill Gates to vacation in Alaska when the crisis broke and it was hard to negotiate such a deal on a cell phone.  Eventually the banks holding the collateral made a deal with LTCM and Berkshire didn’t have a chance to top their offer.

Warren is philosophical about the loss of this opportunity, noting it was the most expensive vacation he ever took.  “Bill Gates cost me about $3 billion,” he shrugged.  But that incident certainly has not soured their friendship and didn’t prevent him from giving the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation the lion’s share of his wealth.

Priorities

One of the students asked Warren whether, despite his many successes, he ever made a mistake.  Buffett said that fortunately most of his mistakes were small, noting his ill-fated purchase of Dexter Shoe in 1993, a buy that was made far more costly when he paid for this money-losing company with Berkshire stock.

But Warren does not stew about past mistakes. He wisely counsels that anything that happens to your finances is secondary to the important things in life – picking a suitable and compatible mate, developing a relationship with your children, and doing something that you enjoy.

After watching Warren interact with all the students, it is easy to see that he is not only the world’s best investor; he is also a consummate mentor. Although the students come to hear Warren Buffett for his financial wisdom, they come away with an appreciation of how financial success fits into a broader perspective on life. Cold and snowy Omaha could not take away from the wealth of ideas and warm feelings that were generated at Berkshire that day.

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  • Yahoo! Finance User - Saturday, April 7, 2007, 11:17AM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 4/5

    I'm a bit older than Warren, but he has a few more coins...this article reflects the size of his character and persona as well as his wealth!

  • Yahoo! Finance User - Friday, April 6, 2007, 10:29AM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 5/5

    Siegel is always excellent in representing diferent perspectives. Buffets thinking is very instructive. He is right abot the private equity deals. Most of them are short term stripping of value from the corporate institution and lining the pockets of directors and executives at the expense of sharholders and employees. also demonstrates that there is a paucity of innovation and entrepeneurship available to big money investors. Not good for the economy in the long run.

  • Yahoo! Finance User - Thursday, April 5, 2007, 3:38AM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 1/5

    As usual, all opinions and comments of The Scoundrel of Omaha are self-serving. Example: "He criticized private equity that sweeps down and buys firms, ... Although Warren may not pay as much as private equity, ...". That explains while he does not like current private equity buyouts--competition.

  • John - Tuesday, April 3, 2007, 2:47PM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 3/5

    Liked the article, I find their differences in outlook interesting. Have to respond to the Kiyosaki supporter - IMO RK is a salesman who has made a pretty good living selling his books. He relied on others for the financial inputs (note the co-authorship: it's clear from his columns he knows relatively little about investing or finance). Comparing him favorably to investors who've made money that RK can only dream of is an example of confirmation bias. (Beware, RK has lied tremendously about his own net worth.) Many ideas in RDPD are solid, and can be used effectively if you are wise enough to ignore some of his sillier examples. However, RK is a piker in the company of these two, whether you are talking wealth or investment knowledge, and frankly nobody comparies to Buffett, though I find Siegel very thought provoking.

  • Yahoo! Finance User - Tuesday, April 3, 2007, 11:34AM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 4/5

    While picking a good mate and relating to your children may seem like common sense and easy, some forget as they get caught up in the glory of making money. I like investing and making money as well but am careful not to let that interfere with family.

  • Yahoo! Finance User - Tuesday, April 3, 2007, 7:03AM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 1/5

    Where's the investor insight? Picking good mates and relating to your children is just good common sense.

  • Rajendran - Monday, April 2, 2007, 9:46PM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 5/5

    Where financial success fits in (priority scale) overall life has been shown by the best!!

  • Yahoo! Finance User - Monday, April 2, 2007, 8:16PM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 1/5

    not even worth the paper it wasn't written on

  • Yahoo! Finance User - Monday, April 2, 2007, 4:39PM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 1/5

    yes, please read Buffet directly rather than a varnished version the url is http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/2006ltr.pdf

  • Yahoo! Finance User - Monday, April 2, 2007, 4:19PM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 4/5

    Very nice article. Readers should note that these articles are commentary not an instant education to make a quick buck. Successful investors like Buffett get that way from knowledge and a constant study of the market.

  • Yahoo! Finance User - Monday, April 2, 2007, 4:11PM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 1/5

    The title of the article was/is Buffett Wisdom, not a debate of what YOU may believe..............Until you have achieved the same level of investing as Mr. Buffett kindly keep your opinions to yourself and do what you get paid to do, REPORT the interview.

  • Yahoo! Finance User - Monday, April 2, 2007, 2:47PM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 3/5

    From: cal_blonds_r_best: Siegel and Buffett could learn a lot from Robert Kyosaki. Kyosaki's articles are simply the most wise and best on yahoo; 1. Go to google.com. 2. Search for: Kiyosaki fraud 3. Read Search for Buffett fraud and/or Siegel fraud does not produce such interesting reading.

  • Yahoo! Finance User - Monday, April 2, 2007, 2:39PM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 1/5

    I sort of disagree with previous one star comment. He did mention this, but in such a way as to mislead the majority of the the readers. "Threats to Markets. But Buffett did tell me that he thinks that risk premiums are too low". Translation: Buffet thinks that US stocks are too expensive and future returns from buying US stocks right now will be low. Then JS continues and refers to terrorism in the same sentence. Then J.S. misleads the readers by insinuating that low risk premiums are only due to the market ignoring the possibility of terrorism events. That's not what Buffett means. He means that US stocks are already fundamentally expensive AND in addition to that there is some chance of terrorism event that is not priced into the market. Do yourself a favor and read Buffett directly.

  • Yahoo! Finance User - Monday, April 2, 2007, 2:25PM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 1/5

    jeremy did not plug his book, but he conveniently forgot to mention that Buffett looks for international stocks and keeps an enormous cash position because he can't find good value in US stocks - this obviously contradicts the propaganda in jeremy's book.

  • Yahoo! Finance User - Monday, April 2, 2007, 2:04PM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 5/5

    It is amusing to read the latest comments posted by Yahoo! users concerning this article. Most of them complain that Dr. Siegel is being repetitive and boring. Yet it is looking back at the past and learning from what has already been done, that one can aspire to become a 'better' investor. And how can positive, helpful, and successful advice be "the same recycled crap", as one user stated. I believe many of these negative posts come from inpatient individuals looking to make a quick buck - and have not yet understood the meaning of investing. In the on-demand world that we live in, it is understandable that many see the stock market as a casino operation. Dr. Siegel's advice should be welcomed, not spat on. And finally, for those who think that new is always best, in the words of Mr. Warren Buffet: "Give me a stock that's cheap and boring. Nothing else".

  • Yahoo! Finance User - Monday, April 2, 2007, 12:31PM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 1/5

    Buffet is good, but is he a God?...no. Seigel's lack of writing ideas has led him to regurgitate a subject that has been over-written and beaten to death. Let's not forget to plug Israeli companies, what ever happened to plugging positive American firm... you live in the USA don't you? But let's look on the bright side, at least he didn't plug his book in this one.

  • John - Monday, April 2, 2007, 11:34AM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 5/5

    This guy's articles are worth reading. Interesting, relevant, and informative. A lot better than the worthless crap that comes from that rich dad character (Kiyosaki or whatever his name is)

  • JuliaV - Monday, April 2, 2007, 11:21AM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 2/5

    Just a couple of observations: 1. Buffett is good but to say that he is the best "in the world" investor having Slim next door is quite a strech. True, he might be the best in US though. 2. What's up with this mid-west obsession about the nuclear threat given that US is building a huge nuclear weapon as we speak and it's the only country that has used it so far. Quite a paradox that is at the same time the country that fears them the most. An overdose of Fox news might be the reason.

  • TimR - Monday, April 2, 2007, 11:11AM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 5/5

    "cal_blonds_r_best", below, does not have a clue. Buffett is one of the best investors of all time, and has the track record to prove it. ANYTHING that he says is well worth contemplating. Comparing him to a "investor" who made almost all his money by writing investment books, like Kyosaki, is ludicrous.

  • Yahoo! Finance User - Monday, April 2, 2007, 11:10AM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 1/5

    Nothing new, same recycled crap.

  • koswell - Monday, April 2, 2007, 11:10AM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 5/5

    More people should listen to Buffett for philosophy and common sense in addition to his astute and practical understanding of business, markets and economies. He believes in finding underlying values to buy, as opposed to buying into surface illusions, debt in pretty packages, and imaginary financials. I also find his social philosophy to be a sort of an extension of this. We need more people like him. Just some thoughts.

  • Jason - Monday, April 2, 2007, 10:45AM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 4/5

    This is for cal_blonds...Kyosaki has read and reread Buffett's books. I fully believe in becoming financially independent using Kyosaki's methods but do not discount the knowledge that he has gained from Warren Buffett. Diversity in all things financial...

  • Yahoo! Finance User - Monday, April 2, 2007, 9:11AM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 5/5

    Siegel and Buffett could learn a lot from Robert Kyosaki. Kyosaki's articles are simply the most wise and best on yahoo; if you dont agree then you dont have a clue of what is going on in the world. Rich dad series of books are the best finance books ever written.

  • Yahoo! Finance User - Monday, April 2, 2007, 8:45AM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 4/5

    It's always nice to read what the Oracle has to say.

  • Geo - Monday, April 2, 2007, 7:23AM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 5/5

    This is to the idiotic comment of "buffet-schmuffet" below... Its not about what he should do with his money and how he doesn't have a life in Omaha... Its about the wisdom he shares with students at Wartmouth. How about commenting on less irrelevant ignorant crap than your fantasies as to what Buffet does with his free time. Aside from this joker comment... I thought the article was pretty good just had to get that off my chest.

  • Yahoo! Finance User - Monday, April 2, 2007, 6:42AM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 1/5

    This article is useless to an investor as the comments or advice are very generalistic.

  • Yahoo! Finance User - Monday, April 2, 2007, 4:54AM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 3/5

    Buffet said - "I personally think that society is responsible for a very significant percentage of what I've earned. If you stick me down in the middle of Bangladesh or Peru or someplace, you find out how much this talent is going to produce in the wrong kind of soil... I work in a market system that happens to reward what I do very well - disproportionately well. Mike Tyson, too. If you can knock a guy out in 10 seconds and earn $10 million for it, this world will pay a lot for that. If you can bat .360, this world will pay a lot for that. If you're a marvelous teacher, this world won't pay a lot for it. If you are a terrific nurse, this world will not pay a lot for it. Now, am I going to try to come up with some comparable worth system that somehow (re)distributes that? No, I don't think you can do that. But I do think that when you're treated enormously well by this market system, where in effect the market system showers the ability to buy goods and services on you because of some peculiar talent - maybe your adenoids are a certain way, so you can sing and everybody will pay you enormous sums to be on television or whatever -I think society has a big claim on that."

  • Stephen M - Sunday, April 1, 2007, 9:55PM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 5/5

    Attended Berkshire-Hathaway's annual meeting in Omaha two years ago. Had a ball. In the afternoon session, a questioner suggested that Warren Buffett give himself a raise. His pay was then about $100,000 a year. Buffett answered that he was doing OK. "I'm collecting Social Security now," he said.

  • Joe - Thursday, March 29, 2007, 4:28PM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 4/5

    Excellent article. I bet Buffet doesn't operate without a budget (Jimmy might, but Warren wouldn't)... You shouldn't either. Check out this FREE online budget setup and tracking application: http://www.checkthebudget.com

  • Riaz - Thursday, March 29, 2007, 2:21PM ET  Report Abuse

    • Overall: 5/5

    Nice Article.

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