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  • Reply to

    Lost another $ million

    by hildebrandt3 Aug 5, 2014 1:37 PM

    hildebrandt3...

    The well-known phrase: "There's a sucker born every minute," erroneously attributed to P.T. Barnum in the mid-1800's [it could have been spoken by famous con-man Joseph ("Paper Collar Joe") Bessimer, or David Hannum, or Chicago's Michael Cassius McDonald]--is why it would be best if the government shut M'tech down.

    The phrase is not only true, but the Company has a knack of finding them, no matter where they are! Not only find them, but they know how to milk them for enough funds for the Company and especially its elite and their loved ones, to subsist in grand style, even during the worst of times.

    They never seem to run out of new scams, although I think that may slow down, now that the Founder, Caster, seems to have gone off on his own with his new Company EMSquared.

    There were 2 other Founders, along with Caster--the Fioretti cousins, Charles "Skip," and Bill. Emprise was incorporated on Nov.4, 1993. On March 31, 1998, Caster had 5,886,946 shares of MTEX for which his investment was $10,000.00. On May 13, 2004, he "donated" 100,000 shares to Harvest Rock Church, in Pasadena, CA, when the stock was selling for $10.31, a share, so its Pastor, Dr. Che Ahn, could purchase the Ambassador Auditorium. On Dec. 21, 2004, Caster sold 180,000 shares of MTEX to Dr. Harley "Reg" McDaniel, MD, at $2.66 a share, when it was selling for $19.59/share. Shortly before, it became known that the FDA had a file 30-inches high, on Reg, and were about to prosecute. Caster had him resign his position as Medical Director (taken over by Dr. Boyd), and made him Medical Director of MannaMinistries, and also put him in charge of the Fisher Institute. The cost to Caster for the 180,000 shares was $306, and he received $478,800 from Reg. On Oct. 11, 2001, Fredrick bought 3,500,000 shares from Skip Fioretti at 65 cents a share.

  • MTEX is back to losing money. Don't worry about the government shutting Mannatech down. Mannatech is killing themselves on their own.

    Sentiment: Sell

  • Reply to

    MTEX, next?

    by scams_r_u Jul 22, 2014 2:14 AM

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    RESULTS: Serum cholesterol showed a decline over time in both arms; serum triglycerides had a continuous decline over time in the placebo arm, but an initial increase that persisted in the active arm. Both serum cholesterol concentrations (P

  • Reply to

    MTEX, next?

    by scams_r_u Jul 22, 2014 2:14 AM

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    I have been blocked from posting the remainder of the info I have to finish my reply to alyssaw32lw.

    It is important, true, legitimate scientific information and contains nothing that should be objectionable to Yahoo or the reader unless they don't want to be enlightened with facts and the truth regarding this subject matter.

    Then again, it may not be Yahoo preventing my message from posting but can be the hacker for Mannatech, more commonly known as qltiwatcher, aka numerous other aliases, and aka Rex Dean George--former head of Security for Mannatech, Inc. and currently the Deputy Chief Sheriff of Denton County, TX--a typical psychopath!

  • Reply to

    MTEX, next?

    by scams_r_u Jul 22, 2014 2:14 AM

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    PubMed / 16015255?dopt=Abstract
    Eur J Clin Nutr. 2005 Oct;59(10):1173-80.

    Changes in cholesterol and triglyceride concentrations in the Vanguard population of the Carotene and Retinol Efficacy Trial (CARET).
    Cartmel B, Dziura J, Cullen MR, Vegso S, Omenn GS, Goodman GE, Redlich CA.

    Department of Epidemiology and Public Health and the Yale Cancer Center, Yale University School of Medicine, New Haven, CT 06510, USA.

    Abstract
    BACKGROUND: The Beta-Carotene and Retinol Efficacy Trial (CARET) was terminated 21 months ahead of schedule due to an excess of lung cancers. Deaths from cardiovascular disease also increased (relative risk=1.26 (95% confidence interval (CI) 0.99-1.61)) in the group assigned to a combination of 30 mg beta-carotene and 25 000 IU retinyl palmitate (vitamin A) daily. The basis for increased cardiovascular mortality is unexplained.

    DESIGN: We analyzed data on serum lipids, available for 1474 CARET Vanguard participants who were enrolled in the two CARET pilot studies and transitioned to the Vanguard study. Total cholesterol and triglycerides were measured 2 months prior to, 4 and 12 months following randomization, and annually thereafter for up to 7 y.

    INTERVENTION: In the asbestos-exposed pilot (N = 816), participants were assigned to beta-carotene and retinol or to placebo; in the smokers pilot (N = 1029), participants were assigned to beta-carotene, retinol, a combination, or placebo.

    RESULTS: Serum cholesterol showed a decline over time in both arms; serum triglycerides had a continuous decline over time in the placebo arm, but an initial increase that persisted in the active arm. Both serum cholesterol concentrations (P

  • Reply to

    MTEX, next?

    by scams_r_u Jul 22, 2014 2:14 AM

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    ...to their elderly parents and other elder relations.

    I believe that in some of those cases the ensuing untimely deaths of those unfortunate "patients" were found to be directly attributable to those types of acts--or they should have been.

    Pathetically, one can only imagine the larger number of cases where these events were NOT reported.

    As to my 2nd question, here are several out of many, very powerful, studies in PubMed and other legitimate, peer-reviewed, journals which describe where and how these acts are commonly taking place:

    CA Cancer J Clin 2005; 55:319-321
    2005 American Cancer Society

    "...mechanistic considerations suggest that antioxidants might reduce the effects of conventional cytotoxic (toxic to cells) therapies. Preclinical data are currently inconclusive and a limited number of clinical studies have not found any benefit. Clinicians should advise their patients against the use of antioxidant dietary supplements during chemotherapy or radiotherapy. Such caution should be seen as the standard approach for any unproven agent that may be harmful."
    --Gabriella M. D’Andrea, MD, Department of Medicine, Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, New York, NY.

    PubMed / 19661...
    Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 2009 Aug;18(8):2202-6

    "We investigated dietary supplement use and prostate cancer risk in the Carotene and Retinol Efficacy Trial (CARET)... Our results are consistent with other studies suggesting that dietary supplements (containing Beta Carotene) may influence prostate cancer risk."

    PubMed / 19254...
    Eur J Cancer. 2009 May;45(7):1257-64. Epub 2009 Feb 28

    "beta-Carotene has shown cancer-preventive effects in preclinical studies while increasing lung cancer mortality in clinical trials. We have shown that beta-carotene stimulates cAMP signalling in vitro...

    CONCLUSIONS: Our data suggest that beta-carotene promotes the development of PAC via increased cAMP signalling. [pulmonary adenocarcinoma = (PAC)]

    Cont. at D

  • Reply to

    MTEX, next?

    by scams_r_u Jul 22, 2014 2:14 AM

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    From 2011:

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

    Antioxidants' Role in Chronic Disease Prevention Still Uncertain; Huge Doses Considered Risky

    WASHINGTON -- Insufficient evidence exists to support claims that taking megadoses of dietary antioxidants, such as selenium and vitamins C and E, or carotenoids, including beta-carotene, can prevent chronic diseases, says the latest report on Dietary Reference Intakes (DRIs) from the Institute of Medicine of the
    National Academies. In fact, extremely large doses may lead to health problems rather than confer benefits. But the report does call for increases in daily intakes of vitamins C and E to exploit their role in maintaining good health, and recommends an even larger amount of vitamin C for smokers.

    For the first time, the report also sets a ceiling on daily consumption of selenium and vitamins C and E to reduce the risk of adverse side effects from overuse.

    From my post on: Apr 30, 2011, 9:36 PM, in reply to a post by: ex_medguy1, which said: "Question??? How many people have died taking Mannatech Products?"

    ex_medguy1,

    I believe that the better question(s) would be: How many people are shortening their lifespan by taking Mannatech products in place of prescribed, legitimate and proven scientific treatments; and,

    how many people are speeding up their deaths by consuming particular Mannatech products (when they shouldn't be), to supplement the prescribed, legitimate and proven scientific treatments which they're receiving?

    I believe that over the lifespan of Emprise International, Inc., begun in Nov. 1993, and which changed its name to Mannatech, Inc. in Oct. 1995, there have been a troubling amount of cases which made known the instances of parents and guardians who forsook or abandoned legitimate and scientific treatment for minors and wards by replacing THAT with only the Company's inert products.

    Also, there has probably been a like-amount of cases made known where grown progeny have done the same thing...

    C

  • Reply to

    MTEX, next?

    by scams_r_u Jul 22, 2014 2:14 AM

    alyssaw32lw... You say:

    "Is it your claim that fruits and vegetables are dangerous to smokers, people who once smoked, or are regularly exposed to smoke? I'm not sure what kind of BS smear campaign/agenda you have here, but I sincerely hope that people are smart enough to see through the #$%$ and half truths (at best) that you are flooding this board with."

    THAT's not my claim and never has been! I hope the readers are smart enough to see that you don't read and comprehend, very well, or are too lazy or incompetent to verify things.

    I clearly stated in my post of Jul 23, 2014 2:26 AM: "To find out what sources I used, simply click on my posting name and select "ALL" and you'll find a number of my posts which give you this information--over a number of years."

    In this particular matter, you would have found that the sources for my statements, were U.C. Berkeley, and Pub Med. Would YOU, like to dispute them? I'm simply a messenger, and have been--on this board--since early Spring, 2000. I don't post B.S. I uncover and expose scams, B.S., fraud and deception, which has been prevalent on this board since before I first arrived. The Founder was also nailed for fraud in 2 previous businesses!

    The majority of the antioxidants used in the Ambrotose line of products mainly consist of beta carotene which is found in many deeply-colored fruits and vegetables. The beta carotene ingested from eating fresh fruits and vegetables should NEVER hurt anyone who consumes them, and in fact, they may even PREVENT people from getting various kinds of cancer, heart disease, and perhaps diabetes!

    The difference being, that ingesting your beta carotene/antioxidants from eating FRESH fruits and vegetables is NOT the same as ingesting beta carotene from supplements.

    The former, SHOULD NOT harm you,

    In supplement form, it's the opposite, and CAN RAISE the risk of cancers (prostate, lung, etc.) and heart disease, on average, by 24%!

    Doctors and such, screwed up!

    Cont. at B

  • Reply to

    MTEX, next?

    by scams_r_u Jul 22, 2014 2:14 AM

    "A number of their products can also be dangerous, too... like those containing anti-oxidants, especially for those who smoke, or who once smoked, or who were regularly exposed to cigaret smoke, like cocktail waitresses and bartenders, and children whose parents smoked. "

    I have absolutely no stake in this company whatsoever. However, regarding antioxidants (nutrients), as most people (you are obviously not included) are aware, foods that are high in antioxidants are classified as "superfoods" because of their benefits to the immune system. One has to question whether you know what antioxidants are, or you simply attempted to concoct a new definition based on what the word sounds like.

    Foods that are high in antioxidants include fruits and vegetables. Is it your claim that fruits and vegetables are dangerous to smokers, people who once smoked, or are regularly exposed to smoke? I'm not sure what kind of BS smear campaign/agenda you have here, but I sincerely hope that people are smart enough to see through the #$%$ and half truths (at best) that you are flooding this board with.

    From WebMD:
    "Do your immune system a favor, and pack some more fruits and vegetables on your plate.

    They're loaded with nutrients, called antioxidants, that are good for you.

    Add more fruits and vegetables of any kind to your diet. It'll help your health. Some foods are higher in antioxidants than others, though.

    The three major antioxidant vitamins are beta-carotene, vitamin C, and vitamin E. You’ll find them in colorful fruits and vegetables, especially those with purple, blue, red, orange, and yellow hues."

  • Reply to

    MTEX, next?

    by scams_r_u Jul 22, 2014 2:14 AM

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    ** The others, of course, having to do with the false income claims, false medical claims, and pyramidal structure of the company's fundamental business model. Oh yeah, and pesky items like current Board members flushing their fiduciaries down the toilet and leading uneducated marks to believe they can earn $100k/month.

    ** Although it slipped under the radar -- for now -- this message was delivered loud and clear to me today. I continue to believe that it's only a matter of time until Herbalife collapses -- whether it's under its own weight, or at the hand of a regulatory agency.

    ** The case of Herbalife is not one of a sprint. This isn't about what the stock price is at today, it's about what the long-term result of shining light on every aspect of the business plan is going to do to the company.

    ** The market didn't notice today, but they can't ignore the facts forever. Regulators now have more than ample rope to hang the company -- and I believe they will.

    ** Time is on the side of the shorts and regulatory action is more likely now than it's ever been, in this investor's opinion.

    (This article was sent to 8,751 people who get email alerts on HLF.)

  • Reply to

    MTEX, next?

    by scams_r_u Jul 22, 2014 2:14 AM

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    ** Now, onto nutrition clubs. Follow my logic here:

    ** Ackman's claims in his presentation today that Herbalife's revenue is made up of between 30% and 40% nutrition club sales are important. These are company-derived figures.

    ** We know that nutrition clubs are the primary driver of growth in the company. We know that 9 out of 10 that don't complete Herbalife's Nutrition Club "education" do not operate. We know that Herbalife's idea of an education is seemingly to force feed potential nutrition club owners product.

    ** The product is being consumed because Herbalife has made that a step in the training process. Ackman claims it's a fundamental Enron-like fraud because the people consuming in these clubs are anything but retail customers -- they're potential distributors trying to be part of the 0.001% at the top of the pyramid.

    ** He's arguing that it's smoke and mirrors at these clubs. And from the looks of his presentation today, it is.

    ** It was all right there -- in order to graduate, you must make a daily habit of going to nutrition clubs and consuming the product -- whether or not you're concerned with weight loss, whether or not you feel like it on a particular day. It's your de facto job as a nutrition club founder; except it's not really a job.

    ** Nutrition clubs make up a massive amount of Herbalife's revenue. That revenue is a product of distributors consuming each other's product as part of an Herbalife training program. Ergo, Ackman's argument states, if nutrition clubs face a crackdown, the company regresses financially in a massive way.

    ** This is significantly more important that people are noticing, in my opinion. The reasoning behind that is that this is an entirely new outlet in which the company could face turmoil. It is, in essentia, an entirely different and completely valid short thesis that would stand alone on its own; let alone with the facts that have already been disclosed.

    C

  • Reply to

    MTEX, next?

    by scams_r_u Jul 22, 2014 2:14 AM

    I'm pretty sure it was nothing more than stock manipulation--likely by their distributors and wannabe ones! Happens several times every year with M'tech... Manna Fest, time; Annual Meeting, time; Earnings Report time; etc. Usually go on for 5 or 6 weeks, or longer! Remember, this stock was selling at 40 cents a share and the 1: 10 Reverse Split on Jan. 17, 2012, bumped it up to $4.00. A little later and it hit $35, and then back down to the $11's--all on no news. $35 down to about $20 in a few days.

    Quoth the Raven of Seeking Alpha was at the hearing today at the AXA Equitable Center in Manhattan and wrote a piece on it. This is some of his quotes:

    ** Ackman seemed to show that Herbalife is essentially force feeding its own distributors product and claiming it as retail consumption.

    ** Herbalife's OWN INTERNAL STRATEGY DOCUMENTS refer to poor distributors as the "bottom of the pyramid." Yes, the company calls itself a pyramid.

    ** Bill Ackman presented a massive fundamental flaw in Herbalife's business plan, and the stock tacked on over a billion dollars in market cap because of it. And I thought I had seen it all after NQ Mobile's (NYSE:NQ) stock rallied after they fired their auditor.

    ** The other (reasons), of course, having to do with the false income claims, false medical claims, and pyramidal structure of the company's fundamental business model. Oh yeah, and pesky items like current Board members flushing their fiduciaries down the toilet and leading uneducated marks to believe they can earn $100k /month.

    ** I continue to believe that it's only a matter of time until Herbalife collapses -- whether it's under its own weight, or at the hand of a regulatory agency.

    ** If regulators don't shut the company down, Ackman has offered us today what is seemingly another method in which the company could implode.

    ** Say that... the regulators exonerate the company (unlikely, in my opinion). We still have this nutrition club mess to clean up.

    B

  • Reply to

    MTEX, next?

    by scams_r_u Jul 22, 2014 2:14 AM

    I suppose I should have added, in my previous post, that if Ackman does NOT get Herbalife shut down, there are 7 regulators who are about to: the SEC, FTC, FBI, DOJ, 2 AGs, and Canada.

    It's not a done-deal, yet... but things do look rather shaky and grim, for Herbalife.

    As to my statements about MTEX and the dangers of taking their products which contain anti-oxidants, I should also add that it can greatly reduce the benefit of chemo and radio therapy for those who have cancer.

    To find out what sources I used, simply click on my posting name and select "ALL" and you'll find a number of my posts which give you this information--over a number of years.

    In the words of Hudson H. Freeze, one of the world's foremost glycobiologists, in the article: "A Glyconutrient Sham” (exposing Mannatech and the use of its products, especially Ambrotose and its indigestible polysaccharide ingredients):

    "No significant changes in subjective quality of life were found although 75% of those receiving LAG (larch arabinogalactan), reported looser and more voluminous stools (Kim et al. 2002). In a separate 6-month study, healthy subjects ingesting LAG had no significant change in blood chemistries or gastrointestinal measures, except for a significant increase in flatulence (Marett and Slavin 2004)."

    I suggest that you all read this article co-authored by Freeze and Ronald L. Schnaar, published in 2008. It's just one of hundreds--if not thousands--of references exposing Mannatech and its snake oils--plus the scams they've used on the public.

    The Texas A.G. should have shut them down.

    "By: Mike Hampton | July 4, 2014
    M'tech Preys On Praying Cancer Victims:

    Someone I know has been given 4 months to live, but Mannatech, via some pseudo-religious program, is selling her hope that cancer can be beaten with one of their ridiculous sugar products such as Ambrotose. I despise sales companies who prey on the weak but to combine it with an evangelical pitch, deserves greater disgust!"

  • Reply to

    MTEX, next?

    by scams_r_u Jul 22, 2014 2:14 AM

    Well that went well for Ackman. HLF up 25% today. Imagine the pain of having a $billion short and seeing the stock shoot up on the same day you unveil your $50 million report that was supposed to be the "death blow".

  • Ackman says he can prove Herbalife is a 'fraud'

    Hedge fund manager Bill Ackman says he plans to prove Herbalife is a 'fraud;' shares fall
    AP -- 9 hours ago.
    ___

    Hedge fund manager Bill Ackman says that he will hold a presentation Tuesday that will prove that nutrition company Herbalife is a "fraud."

    The announcement sent shares of Herbalife down more than 11 percent in trading Monday.

    Ackman, the head of Pershing Square Capital Management, has been battling Herbalife since 2012, saying that the company is a "pyramid scheme." He says the direct seller makes most of its money from recruiting new salespeople rather than selling its supplements and weight-loss products.

    Herbalife denies the charges.

    Ackman holds a "short" position in Herbalife, meaning he is betting that the company's stock will drop, and profit when it does.

    In a TV interview with CNBC Monday, Ackman says he has hours of recorded video and audio that will prove his allegations.
    __________

    The scam that Mannatech has been running since it was first incorporated as Emprise on Nov. 4, 1993 (later changed to Mannatech, effective Oct. 25, 1995), deserves the same fate. Not only is recruitment a large part of their "success" story, but without the Placebo Effect, there would be almost no benefit to the consumers of the products. One can get as much benefit from their products as they can from drinking water out of someone's kitchen sink tap--labeled and sold as a Magic Elixir.

    Studies have shown that at least a third of the Elixir drinkers will feel a benefit. Strictly, a Placebo Effect!

    A number of their products can also be dangerous, too... like those containing anti-oxidants, especially for those who smoke, or who once smoked, or who were regularly exposed to cigaret smoke, like cocktail waitresses and bartenders, and children whose parents smoked. Studies show that their risk for getting cancer, especially lung cancer, and heart disease, jumps sky-high! Worse, it is a deadlier form!

  • Reply to

    It is Interesting about #$%$ R Us

    by governmentasenemy Mar 28, 2014 6:59 PM

    You must really be seething now that our POTUS has single handedly released five top terrorists.

  • Reply to

    other MTEX boards ?

    by jennicatrell11 Apr 22, 2014 9:59 AM

    I know there were a group of posters here three years ago that left and formed their own board somewhere, but I don't know where. You could ask Mannatech investor relations or if you know of someone in Mannatech, ask them or their upline. I seldom come here because nothing new is being posted. Can't find any intelligent conversation. I will check in more often in case you want to start a dialog with me.

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