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    Is Tesla better off without Musk?

    by stockjerk369 14 hours ago

    Thats sounds almost unfriendly.

  • Reply to

    Is Tesla better off without Musk?

    by stockjerk369 14 hours ago

    Enjoy getting your face ripped off being short.

  • Tesla stockhaters meet 24/7/365. Funniest stockhater proposal today: Fire Elon!

  • I'm not sure the numbers are realistic, or doable. Elon needs to concentrate on core business of making cars and profits. Picking up much speed will be very tough to do until the Gen 3 comes out.

  • Trouble with going upscale is your narrowing an already narrow target market.
    Of course a P85D+ would sell, but not in numbers that would help much.

    China is tough for anyone, but especially so if you have only a high dollar item.
    BYD, Renault are doing well in China, but thats with transportation cars which are made with support of the government. Also, China is having some major economic issues right now, which wont help anyone.

    I think Tesla is planning on 45k yearly Model S sales from 2016 to 2020. That will be very tough to pull off with an aging model. It isnt just Tesla, the whole EV market is a little soft right now.

  • My "Stimulate Demand" topic seems to have gotten derailed into a discussion about inventory cars. Let's try this thread.

    Looking at deliveries so far this year, and looking at the order trajectory going into Q3, delivering 55,000 cars in 2015 seems highly improbable. In fact, assuming that significant MX deliveries don't begin until Q4, the current order rate will not sustain last quarter's sales rate. So what options are available while we wait for full production of MX?

    - New model? Maybe a P85D+, but is there time to launch it?
    - New market? I can't see any totally new market, but China is still essentially untapped. It could still blossom.
    - Any other ideas?

  • Reply to

    Is Tesla better off without Musk?

    by stockjerk369 14 hours ago

    Interesting question. IMO the company will do far better without him. The stock, difficult to say. The sp would take an immediate big hit with Mush leaving, of course... Huge. But, may recover quickly depending upon the press coverage. No matter what, the company will do better. Mush saps the energy like a vampire, promising life that is really death, innvations that are gimmicks and green credit scammery, and he is probably the worst CEO we have known in recent years.. It is just that the money players have decided to promote him in the way they promoted Gore the worthless #$%$ moron who benefited from his own hypcrisies as being..an INTELLECTUAL. Remember that? Same thing with Mush. ...

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • Reply to

    How to Stimulate Demand

    by temagami67 Jul 4, 2015 11:59 AM

    "You show confirmation to delivery dates. Do you have others?"

    Not really. I only track confirmation date, VIN assignment date, and delivery date. If I want to get a sense for other key dates like start and end of production, I refer to the TMC spreadsheet.

    I also see that VIN's assigned yesterday to CO and NM were both promised "late July" delivery. We've never seen delivery that fast in the first month of the quarter before.

  • Reply to

    Is Tesla better off without Musk?

    by stockjerk369 14 hours ago

    Drink your Koolaid and repeat:

    Elon is god, he will not be questioned.
    Tesla has no competition.
    Profits don't matter.
    Tesla will be bigger than Apple

  • Reply to

    Is Tesla better off without Musk?

    by stockjerk369 14 hours ago

    Elon is the only reason Tesla has survived!
    They would have failed without his guidance.

  • Reply to

    How to Stimulate Demand

    by temagami67 Jul 4, 2015 11:59 AM

    I don't think the shorts can even prove these cars were EVER meant to be sold.

  • You really set him straight.
    Dammmn chip people shouldn't be allowed to post here.
    What are chip people, anyway?

    Anyway, "not for Tesla", actually, there seems to be a lot of people
    not for Tesla, not just chip people.

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • (( It said, "Front motor disabled" ))
    Like all the ICE vehicles which tell you "engine disabled"...

    (( but it actually showed the screenshot pasted below. It said, "Front motor disabled" ))
    The fact that Tesla has a screen for just this purpose is GREAT! Thinking ahead, Tesla engineers know what to expect. This scares the Sheeeyat out of me. I wouldn't own one and put my family in it iunless you put a gun to my head.

    ((I was able to drive vehicle home at about 30% power and park it in my garage. ))
    30% power..all you need, green weenies.

    ((Heard a loud pop ...))
    POP! Cute. Like, Snap and Crackle...We will need to start classifying and naming these Tesla New Noises which are changing the automotive world.

    Here are some suggestions, honoring Tesla of course. Thwine Thwop..bith TNN's..Tesla New Noises

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • Keef, here are two high pitched related questions:
    1) Do other ev's or hybrids experience the same noises?
    2) Does higher electric power translate to louder whining sounds (from the motor, that is)?

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • ((I have let the SC know I believe these are new, but am somewhat concerned they may tell me they are normal.))
    "normal".... chuckle. Can't argue with that.

    ((but I notice a combination of two prominent high pitched whines)) Oh well.

    "Sir, it's your high pitched whines Tesla Motors can not abide ... let me put my fingers in my ears and you do the same."
    "But I'm driving"
    "Auto-pillot is coming sir. Be patient..."
    "So that is what you think... I am supposed to put the car in auto-pilot and put my fingers in my ears."
    "The new normal...Tesla is changing the world."

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • ((There will be no real competition for the model 3.))
    There will be no real model 3, is the correct way to put it. The version that comes out will cost twice what the Bolt costs. It will not be the model 3 you are looking forward to. The other OEM's will clinch that segment of the market just like that, including the Bolt, while Tesla is busy making wall snakes and Scam-WALL(!)s and still trying to make good on the X orders it has.

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • Nothing really.
    I just like the sound of it :)

  • How Quiet is your P85D ?
    I've had the unfortunate experience of an early drive unit failure on my P85D at 384 miles on the clock.

    The SC has replaced the rear drive unit with a re-manufactured unit and returned the car. (fork me dead!)
    but I notice a combination of two prominent high pitched whines that I don't recall from the original unit before
    the failure.
    a). The first varies in frequency with motor (vehicle) speed and increases in amplitude with power level.
    It seems to come from the rear. I do recall a similar (quieter) tone from the front motor before the replacement
    but this is much louder - such that I can't hear the front motor at all.
    b). The second only occurs at high power (either accelerating or regenerating) and is louder and more constant
    in amplitude than a)., but also varies in frequency with vehicle speed. Is this the famed "balloon squeal?"

    I have let the SC know I believe these are new, but am somewhat concerned they may tell me they are normal.
    Unfortunately my time in the D with the original drive unit was limited, so I want to be sure I am not "hearing things".

    So two questions:
    1). Have you heard these sounds, or are you still amazed by the incredible quiet as I was initially (frankly all I can remember
    hearing was road/tire noise and a faint whine from the front motor).
    2). I'm trying not to be "that guy" but I'm a little disappointed that I have a car with less than 400 miles and they used
    a re-manufactured unit for the repair. I suspect they are "allowed" to do so by the new vehicle warranty, but particularly given
    the checkered history of the earlier drive units that a new unit would not be an unreasonable expectation in this situation. Thoughts ?

  • First P85D with major malfunction failure @ 221 miles -- story + repair
    Hi all,

    You probably saw my posts in the P85D Delivery Tracking Thread about my brand new P85D failing less than 48 hours after taking delivery. Many of you requested the story, so here it is. It's really not that interesting now that it's done but I hope you find it useful.

    BACKGROUND: I'm new to the forum but I purchased a Tesla-driven Model S P85 in early 2014 after having driven BMWs for most of the last decade. I purchased a P85D the day that it was announced and I upgraded from the 2013 Model S P85.

    Here was the chronology:

    12/19: Picked up P85D from Tesla Fremont and dropped off my P85 there. Did factory tour. Drove vehicle home that night and really enjoyed the "Insane" power level. I pushed the car with "spirit", very hard.

    12/20: Clocked about 100 miles of pretty spirited driving

    12/21: Was driving on Embarcadero in SF and turned left on to Green street. Heard a loud pop and immediately felt a major loss of power in the vehicle. I saw the warning light go on so I pulled over expecting to see a flat tire but it actually showed the screenshot pasted below. It said, "Front motor disabled" and that the car needed service. I was able to drive vehicle home at about 30% power and park it in my garage. The main battery had around 70% charge. Didn't bother calling Roadside Assistance.

    12/22: Woke up that morning to drive to Tesla Burlingame at 9am and pick up a loaner on my way to work but car would not power on. I called Roadside Assistance and Tesla had a flatbed at my house about two hours later. My garage is a nightmare for Tesla if the car is dead. I park on the third floor of a very narrow parking garage and my car sits 2" from a concrete slab. Needless to say, George got way more of a workout than he bargained for and we got the car safely outside without power steering and brakes.

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