You need to cultivate some brain cells.
Talking of cells, will you be bunking up with Ewon?
2015-08-28, 03:40 PM #23
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Yes, "keef" is a well known EV and green tech skeptic. He has been banned from a forum I personally moderate and the EEVBlog forum. You can just search his name and you'll find his postings on a lot of Tesla articles. My guess is the guy has some grievance with Tesla or energy saving technology. Whatever, if you don't respond to him he won't be a problem.
As I understand it, you are correct. Won't this hurt Tesla? For example, the devalued Chinese currency is meant to boost Chinese exports. But in general, the stronger dollar hurts our exports and helps our imports. So,this is bad for Tesla. .....because ((all foreign built luxury cars will be cheaper in the US))
Tesla batteries manufactured here are the exception ? Hmmmm.
About China Devaluation: WSJ:
"Chinese authorities said the change would help drive the currency toward more market-driven movements. The move also signaled the government’s growing worry about slow growth. A shift toward a weaker currency could help flagging exports at a time when many other efforts to boost the economy haven’t proven very effective." Beijing, LIngling Wei
Sentiment: Strong Sell
see my charts @mazdakian on twitter and it shows that back log has steadily decreased.
Sentiment: Strong Sell
Most likely the demand for model S is reaching saturation. From last conference call, tesla cut 2015 delivery from 55,000 to. 50,000 with blaming to the short of model x parts. However if their model S demand is really strong, they can easily compensate 5,000 model x by producing 5,000 more model S instead considering their current productivity of 1,000-1,200/ week. Reviewing recent news that tesla offers referrer rebate and press whitehouse on China market, I think model S demand is reaching saturation now or in next 3-6 months. After all model S is a $100,000 car within the limited consumer sector, not a $600 iPhone that everyone can buy.
I bought good qty calls when TSLA down to $200 this week and made over $100k. If it can hit $260 next week, It's another $100k.. Big guys bought IPO @$242, so I think it's easy money for all of us while they try to pump the stock price.
Sentiment: Strong Buy
Straw man. No one is "complaining", but incentives are a sign demand isn't as strong as it could be. Otherwise you wouldn't need incentives. Which means the idea of effortlessly expanding 50% a year may be too optimistic.
So we need to wait for the end of all coal-powered plants in the US before we can have any electric cars? Coal plants and electric cars have to be serialized? That would push off electric cars 35-50 years. How many Tesla's have been sold in West Virginia anyway?
100 cars a day isn't very many. What is the evidence that "this will soar to 1,500 a day"? Based on what? They've been making cars for years. They're still 100k a piece. How do they get that down to 35k? What advantage do they have over other car companies? Will they all cede the market, if there is one that large, to tesla? Tesla has proven adept at making $100k evs. There is a limited market for them though, that's why other manufacturers aren't bothering with them.
I'm sorry you sound delusional. A lot like the internet bubble people did before they lost their shirts.
Was that the crash in Mexico where the car ended up elevated and wedged in? That could hardly have been a minor crash. Or was that another crash? Given your record, we need a reference to a picture at least.
what are some examples of the "FUD" the fossil fuel industry is spreading? provide some examples.
Real demand may have little to do with it in China. However, one could argue that Tesla and Mercedes, BMW, and high end cars sales should correlate to some degree with Macau revenues. How many actual high income people are there in China? Quite a few, but it's also clear that corruption siphons off large amounts. China is run for the CCP and the PLA and only indirectly for people in general. Ordinary people lost quite a bit in the recent stock market crash and their incomes are not that high. Now their savings have taken a hit even though they have a high savings rate. The CCP must feel actually threatened by that and is actually chasing down corruption.
Real and corrupt money from China is actually inflating the California real estate market now.
The US President can represent that China cannot be bailed out by impoverishing the US with an artificial very bad trade deficit. 2001-2009 the US took a dive in China's trade wars resulting in an historic transfer of wealth to OPEC and wealth and technology to China. In that time the US then sold China and OPEC Treasuries that borrowed the unsustainable trade deficits back and threw them on top of the national debt. Thus the administration in that time got their cash flow needs under the voter's radar. The current administration is more fiscally conservative than its predecessor and a lot more interested in the economic development of the United States.
This kind of article will not fly anymore. Every day there are more than 100 new Tesla drivers. They are keenly interested in their cars and are drawn to media stories. They know their facts, and will not be fooled by dis-information. Consumer Reports enthused about the Tesla because it is a truly great car. It beats combustion vehicles (ICEs) on every metric except the only one still useful to sell ICEs – continual variations in styling. We sometimes see objections that the Model S is three years ‘old’, and a new model is in order. Meanwhile Tesla owners get multiple software updates per year. One recent update increased my 85D’s horsepower from 376 to 422, literally overnight, at no cost to me. It was a strikingly noticeable difference. Or, would you prefer to pay tens of thousands for an updated body style every year instead? In fact, when I want to show people the workings of the car, they first spend time admiring its lines – so even style is a non-issue. This ‘elitist’ argument is utter nonsense. Would you say with a straight face that it is possible to produce a mass-market car of Tesla quality and technical excellence without going through expensive iterations first? Your suggestion that this is not the process is not credible. Consumer Reports certainly knows the truth, and that is why they are preparing the public for what is in store for them: a superior car that puts all fossil fuel driven ICE vehicles to shame. Today there are 100 new Tesla owners every day – in only two years that number will soar to 1,500 every day, and soon after, to 5,000 daily. These kinds of inaccurate and agenda-driven articles, along with the the agenda-driven work of climate deniers, will be universally rejected long before that.
Sentiment: Strong Buy
There are a lot of FUD spread by the fossil fuel industry. They are going to lose big time with the adoption of electric vehicles.
So Tesla does little conventional car marketing and you and bc complain. Now Tesla does some and you complain about that. Do you want them to put a big dinosaur balloon in the front yard with banners and a brass band? Would you guys complain about that? Or, instead, what if all their employees at the showrooms had to wear tuxes and they have a classical violin quartet? Would you complain about that?
They apparently do need some nice, and pricey, interior options, maybe designer ones, as the Porsche Panamera does.
So the trickle down ripoff should fund Caribbean banks and McMansions instead of getting electric cars off the ground? Tesla's are built in Fremont, California and the R&D is across the Bay. Many car companies from around the world have R and some D in the area too.
Unexpected, sudden populism in the service of a short comes across desperation, actually.
Tesla may have a demand problem - takes presidential influence to sell cars in China - Rebates to sell in the USA.
Sentiment: Strong Sell