Folks in CHINA are reading that thread with great interest.
#33segarvv, Today at 8:16 PM
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They said that the ball joint bolt was loose and caused the wear. They are now going to inspect the lower control arms and ball joint. They indicated that this is not normal wear an tear and have moved the request to cover the warranty to upper management.
Glad to see it is going to a proper resolution.
However, if this is not normal wear, how was the ball joint bolt loose in the first place and would this happen on other Model S as well? Any explanation from SC folks?
And GERMANY too.
And there'll be whomping
Whomping all over the world
#22luca, Yesterday at 8:14 AM
There are at least three Chinese owners reported same problems
Not sure why tesla does not pay attention on this
Ineresting photograph of a 3 wheeler lower down the comments field.
Tesla must be trying to economise.
25% off wheels :)
I do try but Yahoo won't allow links.
(They might send you somewhere you wish you'd never gone!)
That worked. It's a good idea to provide in your posts an easy way to locate the source. It will make it easy for others to confirm.
Limited by their supply chain. Parts suppliers make money doing what? My guess is SUPPLYING UPHKIN PARTS!!! If Tesla ordered more parts i bet the suppliers would supply them. THAT IS WHAT THEY DO!!! The freemont plant is capable of producing 500,000 cars a year i didnt say Tesla was. They would need more robots they would need more employees they would need more of everything and more of everything costs money. I am just glad a majority of investors are not brain dead like these bashers.
Sentiment: Strong Buy
I am going to do myself a huge favor and just put you on ignore kueef. You are just too uphkin stupid for words.
Sentiment: Strong Buy
This is of coarse worse when the car gets wet, but the suspension mounts are exposed so they're the first to get wet and the last to dry out, i would be amazed if anything short of keeping it in a heated dehumidified garage would keep them dry.
Lotus of coarse have washed their hands of the problem, the cars are too old, they have your cash now, it's not their problem, they seem unwilling to explain the use of materials and why their own advice about the contact between steel and aluminium as outlined in the handbook has been ignored
The result of this, is that the unrepairable chassis is in effect a consumable product, when the suspension points have corroded the car is gone
The suspension point ripping out is a common cause of the cars being written off, the question that must be asked is if these failed because they had already partially corroded converting what would have ben a repair into a write off. The mounting points themselves are under most load when cornering, if they failed pre crash, the change in geometry may well be the cause of the crash itself.
I would implore you to get the points checked at your dealers, and to at least change the washers, the bad news is if the corrosion is there, there is nothing else that can be done, despite a repair solution being offered to lotus, they have decided it would not be safe, as you can't have stainless steel and ali in close proximity ( except when they do it, with mild steel)
If you are looking at buying one, get this checked beforehand as it dwarfs head gasket or any other problems, sorry but this is going to have a serious effect on used values. Mine is 11 years old, but knowing what I know now i wouldn't touch one that was 10 years old or older, and i would seriously question buying one more then 5 years old
The photo of the snapped out ball joint is in my Flickr Whompy Wheels album.
The horrific thing is that the ball joint corroded and wore away so badly that it finally popped out of its socket.
(and I know how painful that can be... )
Galvanic corrosion eating away sight unseen.
It's a ticking bomb.
How idiotic can they be?
Steel and Aluminium bolted together.
Might be OK in the Mohave Desert but in areas where they use salt on the roads or even if you live near the coast it's a disaster.
Monday 21st December 2009quotequote all
just as a warning, get this checked as soon as possible and talk to your dealers, the front suspension mounts on your car may well not be safe
When lotus built the elise and subsequent models they chose to use steel wishbones and to adjust the suspension steel washers as spacers, this is a practice no other manufacturer of aluminium cars has used, all going to aluminium suspension components
The steel washers rust when wet this then sets up an electrolytic reaction with the ali in the chassis, this causes the suspension mounts to corrode, this is most obvious at the upper mounting where the aluminium is thinnest, which results in what has happened to me, the suspension mounting point fails, at the edge of the mounting bush
This is not just one side, when they checked the other side they found the same problem. For reference i am the only owner of this car, it has never been crashed or even tracked.
The chassis is not repairable, so when this happens your car is dead, unless you want to spend 5k on a new chassis and the time and expense of changing all the components over, which will cost more then the car is worth, so not cost effective. If you just replace it, the replacement will have the same potential problem.
WONDER HOW THE ROADSTER OWNERS ARE DOING?
((( The game is over as soon as batteries arrive. ))))
The batteries didn't arrive when oil was $150.
What make you think they are coming now that oil is $50.
Suspension Problem on Model S
Can you provide a way to find these. They are not coming up on a search.
Xenoilphobe, Yesterday at 10:47 AM
I have never had that happen even on cars I did abuse off road.
What if you had been screaming off an off ramp at 3X the suggested speed limit and this had happened?
I need to go look at mine. One P85 has 50k and the other 35k and we drive near the ocean on occasion and but rarely on dirt roads.
Boatguy, Today at 12:21 PM
If normal wear and tear can cause catastrophic failure, we're all driving time bombs. It can be fine line between "wear and tear" and "defect", but when it puts lives at risk, a car company is foolish to call it "wear and tear".
Zextraterrestrial, Yesterday at 10:34 AM
Anyway, if the initial failure was the ball joint, it has some seriously abnormal corrosion. Look at that thing. I've never seen one that looked like that.[/QUOTE]
I wonder what Humboldt weather does to Tesla ball joints? Pretty sure mine look ok from the outside... but the Steering column thingamajigger(pic) was showing a bit of rust on it pretty quick. Pic was @ 10 months ~12K miles
#27glhs272, Yesterday at 10:37 AM
To me it looks like there should have been a seal/boot around the ball joint that didn't do it's job or is missing. Salt spray got into the joint. So the whole ball corroded until there wasn't enough material to keep it in the socket.
GALVANIC CORROSION... steel bolted to Aluminium + salt spay = DISASTER!!
I've developed a cynical/TinFoilHat model of Toyota's behavior.
They know they have to make compliance cars. When they thought Tesla was doomed they were happy to pay them to make the RAV4 or just buy Zev credits.
Now Tesla has got them scared, so they sold the stock and went to war. Now they won't give Tesla a dime, either by buying rive trains, or batteries, or ZEV credits. They see the Mirai as a guaranteed to fail path to regulatory compliance that doesn't support the real threat (EVs) in any way.
They are still hoping this whole clear car thing blows over and they can stick with making self destructing gas powered cars.
In the long run, the real threat of EVs is not that they'll replace cars, or that they'll cost more, it's that they will last too long. They could come to be seen as a durable good, like a house, that needs to be painted and remodeled every 20 years but could in principle last forever. That is a huge threat to Toyota's business model.