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What makes you think games can't improve? More processing power in general leads to better graphics, AI and overall presentation. Even just better AI would improve current games.

There will be more new worlds to explore. There is plenty of new IP coming. Any one could be a fresh spin on gaming. There was a time when Assassins Creed was a new IP that became popular. Then something like Call of duty is just a yearly refresh that sells well, like madden or many other sports games. Because it sells well, they don't make many changes. Something like Call of Duty is stale but It leaves room for someone else to surpass it.

At this point, Only when Graphics and AI differences become unnoticeable between various platforms will there be a noticeable end to consoles. That time is not within the next 5 years. Plenty of time for this console generations to thrive.

So Intel does not have a mobile problem - you should add to your Intel position.

Intel = Bloat ware

They only need to be 2 GENERATIONS ahead to compete with ARM on any mobile platform to keep the heat down and still get the performance, the weight and they would have to do 25% margins to stay in it.

You can only release so many iterations of Call of Duty and Assassins Creed. There is nothing new and fresh about console games anymore, they are destined to disappoint.

Agree 100%, I've stated the same point on this board many times. I currently occupy ALL of my free gaming time with nothing more than HIGH QUALITY free to play games. The days of spending $60 for a game that provides 90 hours of entertainment is over. Steam, Android and F2P model is unlimited entertainment at no cost with the option to spend money if you so choose. This is also money that is usually allocated towards a specific goal within the game too so i feel a greater sense of purpose when i do spend the money. I usually spend the money i save on games upgrading my PC too (feed the habit).

So far most of the details are not confirmed on what the used game policy is. People should wait till after E3 before complaining.

I don't think sales will be falling off a cliff other than the normal seasonal drop. In the Wii-U's case marketing for the system was horrible. Mostly just gamers even really knew that a new system came out. Most other people either think its an expansion to the wii or don't know it exists. On top of that there is still a ton of people who are holding off because they are interested in the Xbox or playstation. And on even top of that lots of people don't want to buy a game system until their are several game they are interested in are available to play. Wii U has started without a strong line up. Even the good games were mostly rehashes of games that already came out for other systems that gamers interested in the Wii-U probably already had. So i don't think poor Wii-U foreshadows anything.

So, does this analyst genuinely believe that the ASP remains flat over 6 years? Also, 20% operating margin is highly questionable.

""XBox One and PS4 Could Add $9B in Revenue for AMD (AMD) - Jefferies"

This message board is probably the ONLY place that you will find anyone that
believes Nvidia WALKED AWAY FROM $9 BILLION because they were
TOO BUSY TO WORK FOR GAME CONSOLE BILLIONS.

All of the BS below that Nvidia put out was swallowed on this message board by Nvidia fans.

- Tegra 4 is not late it has just been pushed out on purpose.

- Tegra sales fell off a cliff in Q1 becasue Nvidia wanted it to as they ready(struggle)
to get Tegra 4 out by delaying it. lol

- Nvidia decided not to sell Sony and Microsoft a 64 Bit CPU+GPU not because
they don't have one but because its not worth it since they're too busy.

- Game Consoles are a waste of time and low margin business
and here is Nvidia's latest Game Console entry the condom sounding SHIELD Toy. lol

imho

"but remember that their R&D budget is similar to NVDA."

But AMD seems to be getting more for their money working with its partners?

Did Nvidia's R&D produce the worlds first 8 Core 64 Bit CPU + GPU SoC
working with Sony and Microsoft ? lol

How is that Tegra R&D working out?
Did Tegra 4 ship on time or is it STILL late,
in fact, so late that Tegra 4 is DOA.

imho

Start saving for a SHIELD Toy Xmas Nvidia fans.

Its now up to loyal Nvidia fans to blow $349 on junk that no one needs and few away from this board want.

While the rest of thre world enjoys their new Xbox ONE or PS4 this Xmas
you can play with your condom sounding SHIELD pocket toy. lol

imho

"it's a midrange PC with a bunch of slow AMD low power cores and mid-range GPU."

Do you mean an 8 Core 64 Bit Low Power CPU + GCN GPU SoC?

The world has NEVER seen what an 8 Core 64 Bit CPU+GPU SoC can do have you?

Sony and Microsoft did their homework ?

Can you say HSA?

Maybe the reviews should wait until the play actually opens.
And just like that play, SNE and MSFT don't need to please the critcs to have a box office success?

imho

An out-of-the-box idea?

It is an idea out of a dunderhead. IMHO.

it's a midrange PC with a bunch of slow AMD low power cores and mid-range GPU.

Nvidia's sure dead, boy howdy...not.

Intel does not need to be 1-2 process gens ahead of any ARM vendor to maintain parity on performance/watt.

Part 3:
These guys know gaming, what makes it good, and essential elements to make it the best experience possible. For the longest time, I've been pairing my Nexus 7 with a MOGA and Jambox (or similar speaker) when I sit down to play some games. Is it overkill? Maybe, but it makes for a far better experience than using the #$%$ little speaker on the N7 along with touch controls. It would be nice to have the option to just flip open a screen and start playing without having to deal with pairing both a controller and speaker.

And that's all without mentioning the cost of these things combined: Nexus 7 – $250; Jambox – $150; MOGA Pro – $50. Total: $450. That's $100 more than SHIELD, which has a fresh-off-the-presses processor and 2GB of RAM. Less money for more tech – how is that overpriced?

Ultimately, the point is simple, guys and gals: it doesn't matter if you want SHIELD, or if you will personally pay $350 for it – calling it overpriced based on your own desires and/or financial situation is unfair and unreasonable. I realize that the allure isn't there for everyone (and I'm sure NVIDIA does, too), and that's OK. I'm not asking that you immediately go buy SHIELD – that's entirely up to you. What I am suggesting, though, is that you actually take into consideration what you're getting for $350; it's a next-gen tablet. A mobile game console. An entirely new genre of product.

This is innovation, guys. Let's just appreciate it for what it is.

androidpoliceDOTcom/2013/05/24/editorial-shield-as-a-deal-why-i-think-nvidias-handheld-console-is-actually-a-pretty-great-value/

THIS ARTICLE CARRIES A LOT OF WEIGHT!

Part 2:

Of course, let's not forget about Shield's standout feature: PC Streaming. This is a killer option for hardcore PC gamers – with a GTX 650 or higher NVIDIA graphics card, any Steam title with controller support will be able to stream from PC to SHIELD over Wi-Fi for away-from-keyboard gaming. This feature is absolutely the first of its kind.

There are a few comparisons to other products being made as well, like I'll just get MOGA Pro for my phone – BOOM, I have a SHIELD. Wrong again. As someone who has both the MOGA Pocket and the MOGA Pro, I can attest to one thing: this solution is an afterthought. Sure, it works well, but it's not as if the phone you own was built from the ground up with a game controller in mind. Firstly, with a MOGA, you're sacrificing precious battery life on your mobile phone, which is a killer in itself. Secondly, you're playing over a Bluetooth connection, which can have latency issues that lead to extreme amounts of frustration and fury. With SHIELD, you can just take it out of your bag and start playing – no need to pair anything. And again, you simply can't stream PC games to your phone. NVIDIA spent countless hours over the last several months (or possibly even longer) designing and building SHIELD – do you really, honestly think that just attaching a game controller to your phone or tablet is the same thing? If so, you're lying to yourself.

There's still another point to be made here: speakers. When it comes to playing games, a good audio experience is the icing on the cake. NVIDIA incorporated some killer speaker tech into SHIELD – something that is so far unmatched on phones and tablets – to provide the best possible experience when gaming.

How does that change the outcome above?