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  • Let's see if I've got this straight. On Sept. 4, YOU (owenbailey17) accused gabriellerother of being my alias and some other untrue and unkind things, which caused her to post her message on Sep 4, 2015 1:04 PM, where she stated:

    "I had about my fill with this poster board. Signing off for good!!"

    On Sept. 15, I discovered that you had deleted your posts on this board from that date, back to August 22, and I posted on Sep 15, 2015 12:41 PM:

    "owenbailey17 deleted all his posts on the ORC board back to August 22, 2015, 11:16 PM"

    Today is your first day back, posting on this board, and you then post this message to gabriellerother a bit over 3 hours ago:

    "gabriel, I suggest you keep commenting here but put corsage_isle on ignore so you can get a realistic view of the 'normal" people in here and exclude his lunacy induced episodes which contribute absolutely nothing to the true subect of ORC."

    You chase the lady away on Sept 4 by calling her my "alias" and some untrue & unkind names; then, 11 days later, on Sept. 15, YOU delete all your ORC posts back to August 22. And now, today, Sept 19, YOU tell this same board victim of yours, to put ME on Ignore to "get a realistic view of the 'normal' people in here..."

    YOU know I have considered YOU as the dumbest person on this board, because I have told you this a few times--right owenbailey17?

    Well, owenbailey--YOU''ve progressed these last few days that you did not post on this board. Not only do I believe that YOU are still the DUMBEST person here, but now I believe YOU are also the most IRRATIONAL, UNSOUND, & IDIOTIC person--as well!

    I realize that these shortcomings of yours may not be entirely your fault, for reasons like genetics, fried brains from illegal drugs, falling on your head too many times, and/or advanced alcoholism--and, that is why I did not also add BIGGEST JERK to the List!

    Posted on ORC message board by: corsage_isle on Sep 19, 2015, 3:18 PM

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    by corsage_isle Dec 13, 2015 1:11 PM

    What may or may not have happened to the stocks you mentioned or the causes of their particular directions--up or down--is irrelevant. I CLOSELY observed what WAS going on with ORC on various Quote boards. The Bids & Asks & Sizes & Last Trade Share Price & Volume were all in Real Time, and the unfolding Price Chart was only momentarily delayed, but it gave me a clear pictorial history of where the prices went since the Open. Whenever I observe all this data, I can determine if the share prices are reacting to normal market forces, or are being manipulated. Other things help affirm or disaffirm, this!

    As the S.E.C. states: “When investors and prospective investors see activity, they are entitled to assume that it is real activity. Even if no investor is injured, '[t]he vice is that the market has been distorted and made into a "stage-managed" performance.'”

    The Securities Exchange Act of 1934, adds the following, in:

    "Rule 10b-5 -- Employment of Manipulative and Deceptive Devices

    It shall be unlawful for any person, directly or indirectly, by the use of any means or instrumentality of... any facility of any national securities exchange,

    a. To employ any device, scheme, or artifice to defraud,


    c. To engage in any act, practice, or course of business which operates or would operate as a fraud or deceit upon any person, in connection with the purchase or sale of any security."

    What I mostly saw on the ORC Quote Board from the early part of June, was not share prices going down from natural market forces like from bad news, but share prices being TAKEN DOWN & on particular occasions, also TAKEN UP. There's major differences in the board activities, data given & behavior; (& other clues around you, confirm this). Some major differences appear subtle, & other times, extreme--in the appearance which shows up on the Stock Chart—almost at real time.

    I'm surprised more investors can't see these clues, but then, I've been doing it for 15 years!

  • Reply to

    sry... glad you were...

    by corsage_isle Dec 11, 2015 10:32 PM

    sry... I didn't reply to some of your last post... sry about that! We agree on something--CW does peddle a lot of his agenda. I read him because he does explain a lot of things, but I dont think I'd ever take his advice. I often put some of what he says in his SA articles, on the ORC board, for the benefit of any ORC-ers who might not have seen it. They can use a lot of info on the Co., and mREITs in general, and I 've given them quite a bit over the past 15 months--both pro & con.

    owen's alter ego tharmon17, keeps telling the ORC board not to listen to me because I'm really a paid shill of CW's!

    And, today, owen told the ORC-ers that I came here to this MTGE board because I was jealous of your little groupie club.and all your investment successes! That really cracked me up. The other day he said how he bought a 1,000 shares of something in the hope he would make 15 cents on it. You guys must be sniffing something!

    Believe me, I'm not delusional--I'm very observant and see many things which others overlook. You get that way, when you've dealt with a lot of evidence.... and, you don't really have a clue yet of how irritating I can be. You all can find out, or you can keep your noses clean--YOUR choice!

    Yeah, I'm kind of rare... one of a kind--especially on message boards; and I don't like liars, cheats, frauds, deceivers, scammers, etc., who will take advantage of others who are not able to adequately care for themselves.

    On Yahoo message boards, THAT, makes me very rare! My real soft-spot is for wild animals that, from some misfortune, can't fend for them self. It can get real expensive, but, no matter, it's always worth the time, effort and expense--even when they don't pull through!

    YOU don't want me to come after you, unless you're not as bright as I thought you were.

    Reveal myself?!! What are you... some kind of a pervert??? People will wonder what you were really gagging on, in the hospital!

  • YOU now have more than the current page loaded with your red herrings & other garbage in your fabricated defense of your buddies; & in your ridiculous stance, that because other mREITs also went down, then ORC could NOT have gone down due to unlawful share price manipulations--despite the overwhelming evidence I have observed, & reported to the ORC board--as it went on daily, for several months!

    YOU are obstinate! I won't call you dense, but will call you INTENTIONALLY dense, because that's a major part of your obstinacy! Instead of attempting to attack the evidence and clues I have presented over a period of almost 7-full months, now, I think you realize that you would fail miserably, & so you offer your defense through a side door! This disingenuous ruse means that YOU are trying to snow me--as well as the readers!

    In a side--but related--issue, I told you how your friend owenbailey17 not only lies about having me on Ignore (because he keeps replying to my posts), but then he posts lies about me on different boards. There can be no reasonable argument to the fact that if he does both those things, he's also lying to ALL the readers of those boards! I asked you why you would associate & defend someone of such low character & morals! Your silence on this entire matter is deafening!

    In addition, your friend owen also deletes his own posts to get rid of the evidence that can be used against him in a court of law. Not only were his posts, evidence of his criminal activities, but his intentional deletion of them, is an additional criminal act! I know he's told you about these things which then makes YOU an ACCESSORY to the crimes committed & which will likely gain you a charge of OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE, since you not only have knowledge of the acts, but you are making a concerted effort to help him escape or avoid prosecution. YOU are also aware--or reasonably should be--that many of his posts about me are libelous!

    YOU should be distancing yourself from him!

  • In law, spoliation of evidence is the intentional or negligent withholding, hiding, altering, or destroying of evidence relevant to legal proceedings. Spoliation is broadly understood to encompass both intentional and negligent tampering with any form of potential evidence to the extent it interferes with another party’s ability to present that party’s claim in a civil action. In most every jurisdiction, there are also civil consequences based upon the loss of evidence resulting in the ability to prove valid claims. The theory behind imposing sanctions for spoliation of evidence is that when a party destroys evidence, it is reasonable to infer that the party had “consciousness of guilt” or other motivation to avoid the evidence.

    Most define spoliation to include “the destruction or significant alteration of evidence or the failure to preserve property for another’s use as evidence in pending or REASONABLY FORESEEABLE LITIGATION.”

    Spoliation of evidence is an act that is PROHIBITED by American Bar Association’s Model Rules of Professional Conduct, Rule 37 of Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, & Title 18 United States Code. Sanctions for spoliation are preventative, punitive and remedial in nature. Separate tort actions are also permitted.

    American Bar Association Rule 3.4 prohibits a lawyer from destroying or assisting another in destroying evidence pertaining to a case. Likewise Title 18 of United States Code Sections 1503, 1510, 1512 and 1519 prohibits a party from destroying or assisting another in destroying evidence, & provides for criminal prosecution against the wrongdoer. Under Title 18 United States Code Section 1519, A WRONGDOER CAN BE FINED IN HUGE AMOUNTS & IMPRISONED UP TO 20 YEARS!

    Under Federal Rules of Civil Procedure Rule 37 possible sanctions are as follows:

    dismissal of the wrongdoer’s claim; entering judgment against the wrongdoer; excluding expert testimony; &
    application of adverse inference rule. Rule 37 imposes fines on wrongdoer!

  • A person commits the crime of TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE when he or she knowingly:

    alters, conceals, falsifies, or destroys any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to interfere with an investigation, possible investigation, or other proceeding by the federal government. (18 U.S.C. § 1519.)

    This crime includes making false entries in records or doctoring documents, such as by “cooking the books” of a business to hide illegal activity or avoid taxes or other required payments.

    Tampering with evidence also includes destroying or altering documents or things “in contemplation of” an investigation or other proceeding that may occur in the future.

    In law, spoliation of evidence is the intentional or negligent withholding, hiding, altering, or destroying of evidence relevant to legal proceedings in pending or REASONABLY FORESEEABLE LITIGATION.

    Spoliation of evidence is an act that is PROHIBITED by American Bar Association’s Model Rules of Professional Conduct, Rule 37 of Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, & Title 18 United States Code. Sanctions for spoliation are preventative, punitive and remedial in nature. Separate tort actions are also permitted.

    Title 18 of United States Code Sections 1503, 1510, 1512 and 1519 prohibits a party from destroying or assisting another in destroying evidence, & provides for criminal prosecution against the wrongdoer. Under Title 18 United States Code Section 1519, A WRONGDOER CAN BE FINED IN HUGE AMOUNTS & IMPRISONED UP TO 20 YEARS!

    IT IS REASONABLE TO INFER THAT THE PARTY (like owenbailey17, tharmon17, cursage_aisle, and many others) HAD CONSCIOUSNESS OF GUILT TO AVOID THE EVIDENCE.

    The above refers only to Evidence. We still have the larger crimes of S/P manipulation which stole $130M + of S/H's investments for certain conspiring entities who were accumulating the shares in very large quantities for as cheaply as they could acquire them through their various corrupt schemes & which has continued since June.

  • xxavataressxx... perhaps because "him" comes to where I post and trashes me. But, I post wherever I feel the need to post! Stick your nose in it and I will post to you, too!

    Hadn't realized how many in your group bear observation! Glad I stopped by a few days ago.

    Bet none of you will admit helping take MTGE down today! I also bet reikreik70 can post 20 messages full of red herrings explaining why all the other mREITs go up & down.

  • To not waste anymore of my time, why don't you simply read my posts as I suggested over 3 hours ago. Then, if you have any questions, let me know what they are. No guess work... no calculations... they were written in real time and they tell you what the facts were and still are. Talk to the former shareholders and let them tell you how they lost thousands of dollars each. The market cap dropped over $130 million. And then they got suckered into buying again and got taken back down again... and not once, but many times! You can thank the entourage for THAT! YOUR friend owenbailey helped them along; as did ilovesilversilver; my impostor, cursage_aisle; tharmon17; and a bunch of other names I can give you! I tell you all about them in my posts on ORC. The individuals involved were a lot less because they each used several aliases! The same type scams that I've battled since 2000, on other boards!

    You can also read owenbailey17's posts on there--except for the ones he deleted between September 15 and August 22, 2015--over 3 weeks worth. Want to know why he deleted his posts then? Because they could incriminate him!

    If sry is not sitting on a loss with his remaining holdings of ORC then one can say he really was part of the take-down. I think he bought most of his ORC in the $12's, $11's and $10's. I believe I've posted more accurate info on the ORC board back when the news was fresh. The following can also give some clues.

    Since July 9, 2015, ORC has been in the $10's or above, all day, only once--on Oct. 23, 2015.

    Oct. 23, 2015 -- Volume = 159.5 K
    Open = 10.15
    High = 10.15
    Low = 10.03
    Close = 10.13

    July 9, 2015 -- Volume = 319.8 K
    Open = 11.56
    High = 11.63
    Low = 11.45
    Close = 11.48

    The last time the Low was in the $10's, other than on Oct. 23, 2015, was on Oct. 3, 2013.

    Oct. 3, 2013 -- Volume = 30.2 K
    Open = 10.96
    High = 11.43
    Low = 10.94
    Close = 11.18

  • Come on, reikreik--you must be brighter than that. The point isn't whether I wrote it,... or copied & pasted it , out of a law book, or had Chief Justice John Glover Roberts, Jr., write it for me--the law is the law is the law; and your ward--owenbailey17--has shown his incompetence and ignorance once again and he lied about me once again, and then--in writing--stated:or implied that deleting evidence is NOT a crime--for which he was totally incorrect--and why I posted what I did!

    He needs to start learning the truth and stop his lying!

    And, YOU need to start to realize that he is going to drag YOU--and your groupies, down into HIS problems--unless you've all sunk down there, already! Deleting your posts aren't going to help you. Incriminate you, would be more likely! And, you're known by the company you keep!

    Remember, "when a party destroys evidence, it is reasonable to infer that the party had “consciousness of guilt” or other motivation to avoid the evidence.

    And, that's a good point with which to end this post!

  • Reply to

    sry... glad you were...

    by corsage_isle Dec 11, 2015 10:32 PM

    reikreik70... Click on my name and you will have 726 of my posts, all but these few on MTGE, on the ORC board. The majority of them are full of info regarding the take-down and the entourage infesting ORC which I began posting about, in June, if not May.

    This will be 727. I have to run errands!

    You once posted a message to me on ORC--probably in August or Sept., and I replied to you but never heard back. You had asked me why I had a low opinion of owenbailey17, and I told you. He's now expanding on what I told you back then.

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    by corsage_isle Dec 12, 2015 8:51 PM

    THAT's it, reikreik--we're done! You're posting like some con-man from the Loop, double-talking to some youngster from the Ozarks, as you try to sell him a used Nash Rambler with only 300,000 miles on it and formerly owned and driven by a li'l old lady from Pasadena!

    I knew you wouldn't be honest, but it's always best to let YOU prove that--to EVERYONE--all by yourself! It's a lot more authentic than if I told the board.

    You and owenbailey17 (up the street) probably feel like you're joined at the hip, but the more I think about it, the more likely you are all joined at the sphincter. Maybe, Dr. Ben Carson, can separate all of you--if he doesn't get elected--or, even if he does! They can show the surgery on the Discovery Channel, so one can watch the detachment of the "Bernie Madoff Quintuplets" after having shared your nourishment, and naps together, for such a long time!

    Be sure to tell me when you have another used Rambler for sale!

  • reek reek... YOU are proving that you are not only full of shti, but you are a liar too! Doesn't anyone in your group tell the truth?

    YOU are heading in the wrong direction. All that this garbage you are spewing does, is make you & yours appear guiltier & guiltier, and not to be trusted or believed!

    Hanging in the Loop doesn't make YOU a tough guy! I read your posts and all I see is a Li'l Twinkie! YOU & owen? Har Har Har!!! I see: 2 Li'l Twinkies!

    Try being up front, for a change... it it's even possible!

    Each day, it seems, I find new things that tie you all together as participants in the destruction of ORC's & S/H's wealth & value. I keep wondering why you groupies were so prominent on the ORC board when this was all going on! The board was infested with shills, pumpers, hackers, trashers, bashers, rec-givers, economy weather reporters, moles, their bosses, etc., while the manipulation of the S/P went on. I watched it & I identified it, every day. Even on the days when ORC should've climbed (announcement of its selection to the Russell 2000 Index), or the day they cut the 18-cent divvy to 14-cents, it fell WAY too far: $3 in 2 days--the manipulations still showed through!

    I'm aware that you guys were the biggest accumulators of ORC hanging on the ORC board with all the thugs who also infested it. All the clues point to you guys! I'm not saying that you took it down by yourself, but I'm positive you knew it was going to happen & you came to fill your pockets. This makes you participants & part of the bad guys!

    If you are walking down the street & a bunch of thugs knock in a store window & steal a bunch of stuff, you can't then carry things out for yourself. You're just as guilty of stealing as the other guys, but they face other charges. This is pretty much what I am seeing with your ORC participation. The ORC 2000 selection should have made the price skyrocket, yet you guys are there to get it at bargain basement prices.

    Doesn't add up!

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    by corsage_isle Dec 13, 2015 1:11 PM

    the comedy is he says hes only made a few trades recently

    i believe he says wmc, and rli ( and i used to trade rli and they normally have a special divi each year lately and then hes just long a bunch of other things from 1998 or something.

    so he just pops on to orc board and hangs out??? sort of smells like lenloc to me.

    but whatever, he adds no value

    actually i do give him credit for the special divi calls - there can sometime be value there for a taste of a free divi depends on how quickly you can find shares and the bigger the special the more chance.

    but i already search for that and trade insurance rli, wrb, acgl, rnr and a rash of others (many bought out recently )

    so he adds no value.

    ignore for me seeya later.

  • the whole point is just because you quote a law or rule doesnt mean it proves someone violated it.

    hey murder is illegal in most forms and i can go find the exact statute and print it out here but doing so doesnt mean that bailey murdered anyone. it simply means you printed out (pasted) a rule or law - nothing else.

    thats your little game you just quote or print something and then you believe that it justifies your statements.

    hey at 8 am its 8am but that doesnt mean that bailey did something wrong at 8am just because you said its 8am.

    from what i notice - its usually predatory high frequency probing and pushing - but hey believe what you wish

  • Why are you over here trolling him?

    Go find something better to do....

  • Reply to

    sry... glad you were...

    by corsage_isle Dec 11, 2015 10:32 PM

    reikreik70... I'm against any share price manipulations--UPward or Downward--as well as those who are involved with it.

    Are you in favor of either type of S/P manipulation, or both--or are you against it, like myself & many others?

    Are YOU aware that you are continuously associating with others who may be involved in these activities? Are YOU also aware that the one with whom you seem to associate the most, continuously lies & vindictively posts these lies on the ORC & other boards, including MTGE? Why would YOU have anything to do with such a person? YOU are even supporting HIM instead of his victim!

    As to the rest of your post, I have no quarrel with stocks going Up or Down, or even going belly-up, as long as it is done due to natural market forces! Manipulating prices up or down is a No-No in my world, as it is with honest Americans. Is IT, in YOUR world? Or, is it ONLY when the direction is opposite to where you want it to go and you are losing money on your investment. I don't even own ORC, but I am fighting for the ORC-ers who do own it, or will in the future. I would also like to see the guilty parties prosecuted.

    What about YOU? What about when they are your business associates? I'm seeing a lot of double standards on these message boards. It's why the bad guys keep getting away and come back to do it again! Evil wins and crime pays, when good people look the other way!

    Whether YOU are one, or not--you behave like one of the bad guys. I'm one of the victims and YOU are throwing your support against me--even though I'm doing what I can to expose and get rid of the thugs! How do YOU justify such conflicting positions?

    On the NASDAQ Pre-Market this week, I saw a listed stock with 14 total trades. The last 13 trades ranged from 9 to 100 shs. & were made in a 2-minute span from 09:28 ET to 09:29 ET, just 19-min. after the 1st trade at 09:10 ET. The 13 trades took the S/P Down $1.01, from $59.41 (also the previous day's Close) to $58.40.

  • Reply to

    sry... glad you were...

    by corsage_isle Dec 11, 2015 10:32 PM

    hatedaymb... Your suggestion is part of the problem. We have your compadre owenbailey17 bragging to the boards that he has me on Ignore, and then he still reads my posts and replies to them with outright lies about me. He not only lies about having me on Ignore, he also makes up very vindictive and vicious lies about me, personally--and, what he is also doing, is lying to all the board's readers!

    He's not professional!

    He's not mature!

    He lies to EVERYONE on the boards!

    One CAN'T say, owen doesn't have serious problems!

    I think everyone should choose their own friends, but when they continuously post their garbage on different boards... I think it's time for one to get a little bit choosier with whom they want to associate with, because their dilemmas rub off on you & the others who support them--and YOU become known to be, just like they are!

    Then top off this matter with the fact that my evil deed (to owenbailey17) is that I am trying to get rid of those who have taken advantage of the retail shareholders on the ORC board. The share price manipulators took the price down as often as they wanted (from the $14's to $7.13) while their entourage infested the ORC board with their trashers, shills, pumpers, hackers, moles, rec-givers, etc., to run shotgun against those who opposed them (like me), and to influence the retailers to keep buying ORC, so the manipulators could keep taking it down. Please remember that this was when ORC had just been added to the Russell 2000 Index Fund, & instead of its S/P skyrocketing, it dropped in half. I personally observed the manipulations going on & reported it to the ORC-ers!

    Who then started trashing me? sry, owen & their entourage friends!

    And, because I battle these criminals--in owenbailey17's eyes, & his associates eyes--this makes me the bad guy and they lie and trash me to discredit me because they don't want me exposing them to the ORC-ers and various board readers. I cost them money!

    Now, MTGE knows!

  • Reply to


    by corsage_isle Dec 13, 2015 1:11 PM

    You are far beyond just delusional and psychotic. You are mentally sick and require immediate attention. You, right here in this post, are posting lies about me but cry when you get a taste of your own medicine.You state clearly for everyone to see........."not only were his posts evidence of his criminal activities, but his intentional deletion of them is an additional criminal act". Wow, deleting a post is a criminal act.....we can all thank God you are not an SEC employee!! You'd have to indict half the population in the US. You are so nuts its almost hilarious some of the nonsense you post.

  • you have "spoilation" in the food you must be eating. It has affected your brain in a way that causes you to repeatedly post outrageous, lunatic induced , illogical, unfounded, and baseless nonsense.Your so stupid I have to laugh at your posts................I would LOVE to have the opportunity to sue you for libelous remarks that I have participated in, as you put it..."criminal activity".Unfortunately, you sit on a hammock in some Banana Republic feeding monkeys all day so your hard to reach. You are so stupid you don't even realize that a computer could be seized and any deleted emails easily obtained from it. The only hole is in your head which has affected your brain , small as it is, to actually distinguish right from wrong. Thanks for another good laugh to start my Monday!!

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