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  • scs oh my your right there was no racism in Africa at all were they lol.

    Unlike anyone else who has posted on Ebola I live in Dallas and it was not just a National news event here it was a daily thing. First a facts The first case showed clearly that Dallas and my bet is no other city in the US was ready to battle Ebola. The first guy went to Hospital an ER. An ER that is very crowed and the waiting time is very long and are no in danger of losing Federal Tax dollars (Yes FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS not Gov. PERRY money) Forget the fact that ALL the Big Hospitals in DFW area receive FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS while they are a for profit operation. The man was treated as if he was any other person who came into the ER with the condition he told the ER Staff. Did they blow the Africa connection because they are trained to Get ride of those who do not need to be there as fast as they can? I think that call could go either way to be fair. The guy comes back in two days and is admitted. Where he had been staying since coming into the US is a rental property that is for folks from other countries and in the apartment he was in lived or stayed over 12 people including one child. The Dallas County health Dept blew making sure those folks did not leave the apartment as the kid went to school one day. NONE OF THEM GOT EBOLA.
    NONE OF THE ER PEOPLE OR ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WERE IN THE ER GOT EBOLA. IT IS NOT AIRBORNE.

    2 nurses of the 72 staffers who treated him did get ebola. ONE OF THEM is now EBOLA free.
    While deadly and dangerous it is not spread as the flue would be. Or even being around a person who has a cold. However the ALERT is out. I went into a day surgical center last Thursday and spent 15 min answering three pages of EBOLA questions. Past the question and in the back. NO change since last visit.

    Time will tell how many of the 4 cases in America will produce new ones. The swine flu killed more and disrupted the country more.

  • Grump given that the Law that allowed the last crash has not been changed and the Fed Gov. Had to bail out Most of the big boys on Wall Street it appears to me that Wall Street and their supporters are content with another bail out plan to pay for their salaries and bonuses. You don't have any firm who received bail out money in your stock holdings? What did you miss the great financial rally? GS wouldn't of been Golden if not for your tax dollars so I hope you bought some GS stock back when it was cheap. Yes they will be bailed out again if another crash happens after all they are "entitled".

  • Reply to

    Should White Surpremist be concidered terrorist ?

    by lakeed98 Oct 24, 2014 10:00 AM

    scs Turner DID commit a crim and it was a crime that if all followed it and his advise would lead to an attack on the Judicial system and thus our country and our constitution. So YES Turner is a terrorist.

    David Koresh was a religious terrorist as well as anti Christ. He caused the death of what about 100 people.

    Militia groups I would agree with you that some are and some are not. Most do however think not too much of breaking the law and tend to be continuing criminal enterprises if not terrorist.

    The Bundy Ranch folks. They are criminals so does that alone make them terrorist? They do not accept the law of the US and act accordingly and feel they have a right to use whatever force necessary to maintain their independent nation. If they have killed folks (I did not follow them) and put racist notes on the bodies which also attacked the US constitution then Yes I would call them a terrorist group.

    The danger of identifying any organization as a terrorist group is that automatically makes anyone who belongs to that group by Law a terrorist and anyone who gives money or other support can also be considered a terrorist if the support is strong enough. Someone who appeared in Houston and gave a speech supporting the Bundy folks may not meet the bar but if they then loaded up all their guns and traveled across state lines to Nev and was next seen waving an automatic weapon around saying how they would Kill any Federal Law enforcement person to enter the ranch then in my book they have crossed the line.

    Had the nut job at Fort Hood been taken more serious when he was merely talking he may not of gotten the chance to use a gun to back up his talk. The same can be said for many of the left or right who's speech if taken to action would be criminal. Giving the Freedom of speech to folks is a two edge sword and we have on many occasion allowed the freedom to cause blood shed. Worth it? ACLU thinks so do you?

  • Reply to

    Best selling books

    by lakeed98 Oct 22, 2014 7:48 PM

    Lake in case you are really so stupid as to not figure out that it not your friends that I point a finger too but to YOU for being a Liar. That you are.

    You are indeed as nasty as any tea bagger since if a person calls your hand on what you say is true and offers you a chance to post to a site that backs up your claims which you do not do then you just make up lies. Most Christians I know buy many bibles and lose one or more and more go unread but buy them they do. For every one of your evolution books sold they are 10 fold Christian books sold or more. I am not a fan of the Christian Book business but it is a over a billion dollar a year business and bibles are a very small part of the sales. So you are stupid for thinking anyone would believe that you have all these friends who are Christians and who do not buy a bible.

    Tell Lake if your "Christians friends" do not buy the bible yet claim to be a Christian what would you call them? What would you call a person who is an self proclaim evolutionist yet had not bought or read ONE book on the subject? Hummmmmm?

    Oh so Lake you get your drawers all wadded up when I call your hand on your lies and blast back attacking my friends, family and throw out the inbred word lol. Now if that not a child having a temper fit or a tea party right winger response I do not know what else to call it.

    One thing I can say about you Lake and me as well we both vote Demo and share many of the same political views but I sure as heck do not mind calling you a disgrace and embarrassment to the Demo Party. If you ran for office I would not vote GOP but I would stay at home lol.
    You would be like the Demo Congressman that thought Guam might tip over.

  • Reply to

    Should White Surpremist be concidered terrorist ?

    by lakeed98 Oct 24, 2014 10:00 AM

    LOL lakeed. You are such a funny little clown. Now go watch your cartoons.

  • Reply to

    FRO Board People are nuts!!

    by gebenhoeh Oct 24, 2014 6:35 PM

    SCS_Dan. You are delusional just look at FRO share price last 3 months or last 6 months price under 2 dollars for reason. Tanker rates up Markets up and FRO under 2 dollars. World's largest tanker company and a billionaire owner tells me that this stock is left for dead or
    Left for the vultures that ate waiting until bankruptcy is near. Do your research than come back with an educational reply back.

  • Reply to

    Should White Surpremist be concidered terrorist ?

    by lakeed98 Oct 24, 2014 10:00 AM

    So a man ,Hal Turner,who called for the murder of 2 federal judges and spent time in prison is not a terrorist, but a man who wounds two policemen with a hatchet is.
    Two members of the Bundy ranch killed 2 and left a white suroremist note on each.
    .I think you believe blacks are terrorists and whites are not.
    If you believed racist were terrorists them you would believe most of the teabagger were.
    Spoken like a native Texan.
    I have never lied about GWB.

  • Reply to

    FRO Board People are nuts!!

    by gebenhoeh Oct 24, 2014 6:35 PM

    Your post brings to mind the old lady complaining about the restaurant she frequents. "The food here is terrible!", she whines. "And such small portions!". Moral: Don't like it? Don't log into it.

  • "You try to suggest some common sense solutions to a serious Ebola contagion problem and you get ATTACKED by keembo and rogere."

    Rogere, as is true in this case, is often so insensate as to not warrant a reply.

    DAK, OTOH, his "mosquito" comment aside, raised some legitimate concerns. A quarantine (Q) of the very people needed to treat the situation WILL be problematic.

    What he may not be aware of is that even MSF imposes a form of Q on its volunteers when they return from the field. They are NOT supposed to return to work for a month. It's billed as a time of "decompression" and a period during which, IF they come down with some illness, it can't be confused with something that they may have picked up at work. The hospital where Spencer work was VERY fast in commenting publicly that he had NOT returned or seen patients since his stint with MSF.

    So the only practical difference under discussion is one of restricting the HC worker's social interactions during the period of Q. If Q was appropriate for folks who came into contact with Duncan; and if Q is appropriate for folks who came into contact with Spencer; why wouldn't Q be appropriate for HC workers who came into contact with Ebola? Just because they *are* HC workers?

    But that doesn't address HOW a mandatory Q could be implemented. It's difficult to see *how* NY and NJ will implement their Q plans. A HC worker returning to the states could, instead of flying into JFK or EWR, arrive in BOS and then take a domestic shuttle to NY / NJ. So the only way NY / NJ can effect a Q is to screen / question EVERY passenger, international and domestic, passing through JFK, EWR, LGA, etc. Hard to see how that would be workable.

    So, I don't mind the "DAK attack". He raises legitimate concerns.

  • Reply to

    one more case of Ebola and a guy with a hatchet

    by lakeed98 Oct 23, 2014 10:25 PM

    lakeed, thank goodness we still have freedom of speech in our country and that includes FOX. If their speech offends you (just as MSNBC offends others), why don't you just avoid that channel? FOX has higher ratings than any other news outlet, so they are apparently doing something right. Ignore is a wonderful power to have. Use it.

  • Reply to

    Low Volume What can that mean?

    by gmlaird17 Oct 24, 2014 5:56 PM

    I personally do not buy or sell unless there is a significant price change. Price has been relatively stable over the past few days, so that could be one explanation.

  • Reply to

    Should White Surpremist be concidered terrorist ?

    by lakeed98 Oct 24, 2014 10:00 AM

    Sorry lakeed, I forgot to answer your headline question.

    "Should White Surpremist be concidered terrorist ?"

    Race Supremacy belief of any sort is deranged, whether white, black, red, yellow, or brown. There are groups (sometimes called gangs) of each flavor out there, and some of them do conduct what I would consider terroristic behaviors and should be prosecuted accordingly - no matter what color they are.

  • Reply to

    Should White Surpremist be concidered terrorist ?

    by lakeed98 Oct 24, 2014 10:00 AM

    spelling correction - CONSIDERED

    Here are some definitions for the sake of this discussion:

    terrorist - a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.

    terrorism - Acts of violence committed by groups that view themselves as victimized by some notable historical wrong. Although these groups have no formal connection with governments, they usually have the financial and moral backing of sympathetic governments.

    government - the governing body of a nation, state, or community.

    Answers (based on my own opinion)
    Hal Turner - no
    "all white militia groups" - too vague to answer, but yes to some of them as well as black militia groups
    the people at the Bundy ranch - no
    How about all the racist? - no
    Do you have to commit a crime to be a terrorist - generally yes. Some threats are considered crimes too.
    can you be a terrorist by lying about the President - no (otherwise you would be one for what you say about Bush)

  • Reply to

    FRO Board People are nuts!!

    by gebenhoeh Oct 24, 2014 6:35 PM

    Hello geben, I do happen to own FRO stock and I do regularly post when I am buying and selling the stock. I encourage others to do the same and share their thoughts about their strategy, whether long or short. I bought up shares during the drop from 2.25 to 1.25 and now have an average cost of 1.65 with intentions to sell into the price rise, probably starting @ 1.80 and having all gone by the time she hits 2.50. I will keep buying more on the extreme drops and selling on the big pops. As long as she doesn't go BK, I will enjoy the ride.

    Some on this board, like rami, just cry *beware of bad news next week* without any knowledge of any such thing or any posting about what his/her investment position really is. By the way, rami has been silent during the recent rise in price.

  • terrorist - a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.

    terrorism - Acts of violence committed by groups that view themselves as victimized by some notable historical wrong. Although these groups have no formal connection with governments, they usually have the financial and moral backing of sympathetic governments.

    government - the governing body of a nation, state, or community.

    Did the high school football player or the shooter in Ottowa fit these definitions? If not, perhaps they were not actually terrorists. If so, perhaps they were.

  • wow semp. You try to suggest some common sense solutions to a serious Ebola contagion problem and you get ATTACKED by keembo and rogere. By the way, you are not the only one who has suggested such common sense solutions, and I find them very reasonable too. Unless those health care workers literally lived in a 24/7 *bubble* while treating Ebola victims, they have the potential of exposure and should be dealt with accordingly before they can circulate again in regular society. That doesn't mean they will have no life or communication with anyone, just no physical contact with the general public until they are proven disease free. Why is that so difficult for keembo and rogere to comprehend?

    keembo twists things around to make it sound like you are attacking the work of Doctors Without Borders and then questions your medical credentials as if you have to be a trained disease specialist to have any thoughts about what is going on here.

    rogere runs down the red herring path of racism over the centuries making Africa the third world stepchild.

    Solutions folks. Why can't you have an open discussion without the personal attacks and crazy misdirections?

  • I didn't prove any point you made. You remind me of the same people terrified that mosquitos might bring the aids virus after biting an infected person and then biting a non infected person. Those folks wanted everyone quarantined, except of course themselves. Perhaps we should tax all your earnings and take all your assets and start building an escape proof fence around Africa and then stop the cases here and not worry about any getting out of Africa? Would you be happy with that one? Yes, we do quarantine workers who are not health workers because these people are people who had casual contact with somebody who has the virus. Until very very recently, doctors who actually were involved in treating and working with ebola patients thought they had figured out how to safely be around them by wearing appropriate gear and suits. They were proven safe until finally somebody got the virus even though they were a suit wearer and so the scientific community (Of which you and I are not), to this date is puzzled as to how the virus was spread to the health care worker. The world could have been a safer place if anyone who ever had contact with an ebola virus carrier could be shot and disposed of and you would not have to worry about whether they had contracted any virus. Maybe you better just climb in your bubble and stay safe.

  • I don't know all that he was or wasn't, but he certainly wasn't a Christian if you believe that a true Christian believes and tries to follow the teachings of Christ. This person obviously did not, so you or somebody else labeling him a "Christian" might lay out your definition of a "Christian."

  • Eh. JF isn't GE.

    Betting on a bail-out of FRO via SDRL doesn't seem like a great investment "strategy".

  • Reply to

    FRO Board People are nuts!!

    by gebenhoeh Oct 24, 2014 6:35 PM

    If using "ignore" is too much effort to filter unwanted posters, check out the FRO board at Investor Village.

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