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  • Mr. Lawrence W. Tomsic, also known as Larry, has been Interim Chief Financial Officer of REEDS, Inc., since May 22, 2014. Mr. Tomsic served as Principal Accounting Officer of LiveDeal Inc., until May 20, 2012 and served as its Chief Financial Officer from November 2009 to May 20, 2012. Mr. Tomsic served as Controller for Alliance Residential Company since 2008 and served as its Consulting Chief Financial Officer from 2006 to 2008. He served as Controller and Chief Financial Officer for various clients of JKL Consulting (including a planned unit development and a concrete contractor) from 2006 to 2008. He served as Chief Financial Officer of John R. Wood, Inc. (a real estate brokerage focusing on luxury residential housing and commercial properties) from 1997 to 2006. Mr. Tomsic served as Financial Officer and in other management positions for various companies (including U.S. Home Corporation and Collier Enterprises) from 1983 to 1997. Mr. Tomsic has worked most recently as a consultant since May 2012. He also served as a Senior Auditor for Deloitte & Touche for three years. He worked as a Consulting Chief Financial Officer and Partner with B2BCFO in 2009. Mr. Tomsic worked as an Independent Contractor as a consulting Chief Financial Officer for small companies from May 2012 to May 2014. He has extensive experience as a chief financial officer, controller, and auditor, providing expertise to public, private and non-profit companies. Mr. Tomsic holds a BS in Accounting from the University of Delaware in 1975 and an MBA in Accounting from the University of Denver in 1976. He is a Certified Public Accountant.

  • From the HK Gov Bus Registry

    New Board Member

    Tomsic, Lawrence William

    He is listed as Board Member No. 1. I don't know if that means Chairman of the Board. The filing was placed on September 11th.

  • Anyone have a link to the reports filed with the Chinese Government (in English). Or post a translation of them here?

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    by asianvestlies 13 hours ago

    Awk, I *knew* that was you! (You always go too far with the embellishments and exaggerations when you get riled up.) Welcome back!

    What ever happened with your Chinese-national cousin-in-law? Does she own shares in this scam too??? How 'bout you regale us with more tales of Ren's personal wealth! Maybe you could tip off Seiden about where all the money is buried. Hmmm?

    Hey here's a *fact* for you: I DID NOT CAUSE YOU TO LOSE MONEY IN THIS SCAM STOCK.

    (((Sorry, you didn't need my help for that, you did it just fine on your own.)))

    Well, best of luck with the Receiver's report -- due out this week, isn't it? I hope he is on the cusp of recovering at least $10M, so that way you should reap around 40-cents per share, right? Or we could wait for the financial reports from Honest Ren, or wait to see what happens at the Annual Meeting. You going???

    Get some rest, hunh. Lots of excitement awaits.

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    by asianvestlies 13 hours ago

    In a few days, I probably will.

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    by asianvestlies 13 hours ago

    Hmmm. Why don't you put me on 'ignore' -- and call it a day.

    :)

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    by asianvestlies 13 hours ago

    Your sarcasm is kinda funny. My only reason to be on this board is to point out to anyone reading your posts sees that you state things as facts when they are not.

    Ren stole all the money.
    You won't take over wiscon
    Ren has been stealing all the money since RS was appointed receiver
    You can't touch Tang in Hong Kong
    You can't touch assets in China
    Ren is still on the board of Wiscon
    RS can't touch the cash in China
    The Dongguan facility is lost
    All the cash in the dongguan facility is lost

    There are only a few known FACTS here asianvest. One: Ren took the company to the dark side. Two: A group of shareholders took action and put it into Robert Seiden's hands. Three: We don't know CP beyond that. I am just sick of watching you continue spewing lies.

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    by asianvestlies 13 hours ago

    I like it when you post... that way I know you're not sitting home all alone berating yourself for stupidly investing too much in an obvious scam.

    Besides, who would have thought this stock message board would have turned into a forum on *me?*

    (((Ren, hear me now Ren! I command thee: return all the money you stole from these innocent capitalist greedy American dupes! Return it I say!!! And mend thy ways -- stop living it up in the company's waterfront Thai villa when you're supposed to be consulting on some mini energy project in the jungle. This is NOT your money! You get paid $18k per year, a king's ransom for Chinese working stiffs. Chin up man. Just because they swallowed your fantasy about a fortune in wet coal loaded on trucks and sold to steam heating factories, that's no reason to treat them like complete idiots. After all, what would they know from coal furnaces???)))

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    by asianvestlies 13 hours ago

    Keeping the facts straight, again, you implied something they said on the Chinese site. In actuality, they said exactly what they said in their conference call in the spring of 2012. They said that those were things they were considering doing. They did not say they were things that they had done. I am not debating whether or not they ended up doing them. Due to the fact they were not filing, a group of shareholders put them in receivership. That is the only path to find out what is happening.

    All I care asianvest is that you stop making statements as facts when they are just opinions. If you do, I will not post on this board.

    Deal?

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    by asianvestlies 13 hours ago

    O! M! G!

    I just had a revelation: you blame *me* for your stock loss!

    (Oh you poor, poor, misguided, dear. I wish I could do something to ease your pain.)

    You probably bought way too much of this stock... and over the years as you carefully read all my racy posts, you found yourself getting hot and bothered and riled up -- so in a metaphorical lashing out, you kept on buying more and more shares, faster and faster... to prove how powerful you are and to dispel your parents. You somehow conflated me with all the oppression you felt as a tender young child, and convinced yourself that as long as I was posting on this message board, it *proved* in your mind the company couldn't be a scam.

    You sweet innocent dupe.

    Now here we are -- you've lost a reckless amount of money, and I've done fine. And the worst horror for you is not your impoverishment, but the truth that I have nothing to do with this company, not even an investment, I'm just some random poster stating personal opinions on a message board. Sometimes right, sometimes wrong. And think of all the energy you've expended trying to prove something to me. Okay, fine, now you own SCEI -and- Wiscon, but isn't that exactly what you owned before? I don't get it, what's the big deal???

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    by asianvestlies 13 hours ago

    Again the lies continue,
    In your response to them not filing with the SEC, my response is DUH!!! I don't know if you noticed but a group of shareholders put the company into receivership because they didn't file.

    As far as the Chinese Language website, they did not say they acquired any particular asset, only that they were looking into it. The same as what they have told everyone else outside of China.

    See, this is why I created this alias and joined this message board. I got tired of you always twisting things to make us longs look like we don't actually know what is going on.

    If anyone wants to go to the Chinese site, the lead word is SUOANG

    Dot and com follow that.

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    by asianvestlies 13 hours ago

    Uh, I don't think you're doing much good for your cause. (((You have no "evidence" of anything -- because the company hasn't filed reports in years! Duh! If you want to interpret that as a sure sign that Sino Clean has bought Crown Energy and many other companies, and coal mines, and diversified into metals mines, like they indicated on their Chinese-language website -- and that you now own a multi-billion conglomerate with oodles of cash... Well, maybe you're right. Maybe you want to take this opportunity to "load up" on 39-cent shares, before the Receiver announces how many $billions he has recovered for you!)))

    * And how does your dubious post possibly count as "fact checking?" What fact?

  • Another Misleading Post from Asianvest....

    "Hey, don't forget --- when they lost the "factory" in Dongguan because the lease wasn't in their name, I seem to recall they also somehow lost the contents of the corporate bank account for that factory... go figure!"

    The post implies that these assets were lost for good. We have no evidence of that what so ever. They said they were going to court to prove ownership of the assets. They never let us know how it played out, but we do not know these assets were lost for good.

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    by asianvestlies 20 hours ago

    Hey, thanks for making an exception to your "rule" of non-engagement, in order to personally harangue me, and childishly compare me to a medical procedure. Very mature, you are.

    A few notes:
    1) The person I was interacting with -- in a manor you find so uncivil -- has created a username based on my name, with -lies appended. Clearly he wanted to provoke a reply from me... and he got one, in kind.

    2) Obviously, many people care enough what I post to read it, rate it, and reply! (Not to mention all the direct taunts and challenges I get, unprovoked.) You guys know how to use the 'ignore' feature -- but if you're going to spend so much board space talking about me, don't play dumb and pretend you're not smitten too! ;)

    3) As you have very cleverly figured out, I get a commission for every thumb-rating I can garner, and three times as much for thumbs down (because they show more passion!). I'm making stupid-money with this gig, and can't afford to give it up yet. (Maybe if you all chipped in to pay me as much as the Receiver will get, I'd consider moving on.)

    4) Way back when the shares still traded for dollars, there were even a few investors who credited discussions with me as helping influence their decisions to not buy, or to sell their shares (their own choice, not my advice). I suppose you spit in their faces -- and contend they should have held on to those shares, so they could join your noble crusade to oust Ren, the CEO you claim has NOT-stolen your money, but must be forcibly replaced nonetheless. [snicker]

    (((Do I need an asterisk for item 3, above?)))

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    by asianvestlies 20 hours ago

    This post should have been addressed to asianinvest please note.

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

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    by asianvestlies 20 hours ago

    As a rule i refrain from responding to paid (or idiot) bashers i am making a one time exception for you---i don't know whether to classify you as an enigma or an enema since your command of the language would suggest a successful experience in some institution of higher learning, however, for one to embark on the career you have chosen, one with no redeeming value, relentlessly attacking and insulting the intelligence of your fellow man and wishing him, with all your heart, the deepest failure of h is most fervent dreams, in the most hateful manner i have ever encountered, not only on a message board, intended for investors to communicate with each other about a common interest. But outside, in the wide-wide world of human verbal intercourse, speaks, with deafening volume of a diseased mind hell-bent on the destruction of all the postitive attributes and aspirations of man. how many thumbs down does it take to open your unwavering one track mind to the fact that no one hear cares what you have to say about anything?? please get lost---get a real job------i am a proud member of the group---who in hell do you think you are demanding that we should share information with you to which you merit absolutely no access.. can't wait to see your next clever tack now that you find yourself becalmed so far from shore.

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

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    HONG KONG FIREWALL BREACHED

    by asianvestlies 20 hours ago

    ??? So now you've totally confused me with your last statement:

    " ...I think you are going to be ultra wrong on:
    ...
    2. That no cash has been stolen."

    ...so to be clear -- I've been saying for years that I think whatever cash was raised from US investors (and that there was minimal, if any, additional cash profit from the company's small wet coal sales) was taken/embezzled/stolen. Why would you need to replace Ren at Wiscon, if he didn't lie and steal??? Are you contending that ALL the cash the company reported back in 2010 (audited) & 2011 (audit withdrawn) still exists and *none* of it was stolen?

    Oh dear. I wouldn't take that bet. (And judging from the share price, and, er, "volume" -- I think you stand alone in that belief.)

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    HONG KONG FIREWALL BREACHED

    by asianvestlies 20 hours ago

    Regardless of what you think or I think, the Wiscon Board was tossed aside and new people have been put in place and you were just dead wrong on that point. I think you are going to be proven wrong on many other points as things play out. Here are the two key points I think you are going to be ultra wrong on:

    1. The holding company board of directors which includes Ren and other insiders will not survive the Receivership. That is a no brainer in my opinion.

    2. That no cash has been stolen.

    These are just opinions.

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    HONG KONG FIREWALL BREACHED

    by asianvestlies 20 hours ago

    Addendum: Awk is that you!?!

    I know you're stupid, but I hope you were at least cautious enough, or too cheap, to wager all of your money on this scam.

    Well, yes, I can well be wrong about the legal actions in the works, and what the future will hold -- but, no, it is not "very possible" that I was wrong all along about the company being a scam. Wet coal??? Delivered by truck??? Oh, gimme a break! Besides, they were delisted, they went dark for years, even now they won't be filing audited financial statements -- and you believe everything they ever claimed was true?!?

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    by asianvestlies 20 hours ago

    Uh, what's this nonsense about posters on message boards needing to qualify every opinion on every post with a disclaimer that it is the opinion of the poster??? So you've been reading my thousands of posts these past three years -- as the stock tanked from several dollars to several dimes -- only because you were offended that I was misrepresenting my opinions about what was likely to happen in the future as forgone facts ("verified" by the non-CPA consultants at Thornhill).

    Oh gee, I'm so sorry for the hundreds of hours you've wasted reading my opinions in the belief I must have a stake in the game (well, I did once, but I took my profits before the scam was delisted). I wish I could do something to make up for your lost time. Maybe buy shares before the Receiver announces next week he has control over all the bank accounts and will be returning the cash to shareholders (less his "fees") before, er, Thanksgiving?!?

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