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  • bluecloud1013 bluecloud1013 Oct 4, 2012 3:56 PM Flag

    Fact checkers nail Romney on 27 lies last night


    Even so, it would have been nice if Obama had at least shown up. Still......Obama addresses one of the 27 lies:"Now, last night, we had our first debate. And when I got on stage, I met a very spirited fellow who claimed to be Mitt Romney. But it couldn't have been Mitt Romney—because the real Mitt Romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts that favor the wealthy. But the fellow on stage last night said he didn't know anything about that." —President Obama today

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    • And then he lied again the day after the debate claiming he was wrong when he bashed 47 percent of Americans. Talk about a FLIP FLOPPER !!! This guy is a total wreck. The right wing cons love him because he never tells the truth and that's the alternate universe the GOP CONS live in.

    • sounds good but it all came from a teleprompter. one thing we know for sure about the president he can read.

    • One of your problems Blue is that you don't listen. Read some of my notes from months ago when others were spewing the same garbage. Romney has always talked about tax reform not just tax cuts. Reform means lowering rates and cutting exemptions. He's been saying that all through the republican primaries. The media and those stupid scoring systems ignore that last part because Romney hasn't specified what loopholes he'll remove. Sort of like the health care bill, per Nancy Pelosi, "we have to pass it to see what's in it."

      Here the irony and where I was miffed with mitt last night. Obama wants to raise taxes on just the wealthy. If you do that you don't even put a dent in the deficit. In fact if you tax the top 5% at 100% you can't do it. So if that the case and Obama won't raise taxes on middle America how could he ever reduce the deficit? Bottom line is that many of us will need to pay more in taxes. Thats Obama's grand lie.

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      • Had Obama gotten his tax hike when he wanted it, it would have increased revenue by more than 800 billion. The notion that it won't make a dent is a lie. The notion that we should just trust Mitt Romney, when he is being funed by big funders who don't want their taxes raised, is ridiculous. Or that we should just trust him when Republican policies got us here, AND all Republicans take an oath to Grover Norquist, just shows one of two things, either you're a flat out liar, OR, you're clueless.

      • Re: "Here the irony and where I was miffed with mitt last night. Obama wants to raise taxes on just the wealthy. If you do that you don't even put a dent in the deficit. In fact if you tax the top 5% at 100% you can't do it. So if that the case and Obama won't raise taxes on middle America how could he ever reduce the deficit?"

        nobeach, give Mitt some credit for providing the answer last Big Bird!

        Sentiment: Strong Buy

      • Acey - you are right in your last post, except that it is the ‘grand lie’ of politicians in both parties. If the goal of our elected so called ‘leaders’ were truly to reduce the debt then we’d ALL have to pay more, reduce the Government and military spending. And that my right wing friend is not something that is sellable today. It will get worse before we’ll see measures like that and then it will HURT even more.

    • now put that in your pipe and smoke it. big time

    • ROMNEY: "Simpson-Bowles, the president should have grabbed that."

      OBAMA: "That's what we've done, made some adjustments to it, and we're putting it before Congress right now, a $4 trillion plan."

      THE FACTS: At first, the president did largely ignore the recommendations made by his deficit commission headed by Democrat Erskine Bowles and Republican Alan Simpson. He later incorporated some of the proposals, largely the less controversial ones. He did not endorse some of the politically troublesome recommendations, such as trimming popular tax deductions like the one for home mortgage interest.

    • OBAMA: "Independent studies looking at this said the only way to meet Gov. Romney's pledge of not ... adding to the deficit is by burdening middle-class families. The average middle-class family with children would pay about $2,000 more."

      THE FACTS: That's just one scenario. Obama's claim relies on a study by the Tax Policy Center, a Washington research group. The study, however, is more nuanced than Obama indicated.

      The study concludes it would be impossible for Romney to meet all of his stated goals without shifting some of the tax burden from people who make more than $200,000 to people who make less.

      In one scenario, the study says, Romney's proposal could result in a $2,000 tax increase for families who make less than $200,000 and have children.

      Romney says his plan wouldn't raise taxes on anyone, and his campaign points to several studies by conservative think tanks that dispute the Tax Policy Center's findings. Most of the conservative studies argue that Romney's tax plan would stimulate economic growth, generating additional tax revenue without shifting any of the tax burden to the middle class. Congress, however, doesn't use those kinds of projections when it estimates the effect of tax legislation.

    • OBAMA: "Gov. Romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut — on top of the extension of the Bush tax cuts, that's another trillion dollars — and $2 trillion in additional military spending that the military hasn't asked for. That's $8 trillion. How we pay for that, reduce the deficit, and make the investments that we need to make, without dumping those costs onto middle-class Americans, I think is one of the central questions of this campaign."

      THE FACTS: Obama's claim that Romney wants to cut taxes by $5 trillion doesn't add up. Presumably, Obama was talking about the effect of Romney's tax plan over 10 years, which is common in Washington. But Obama's math doesn't take into account Romney's entire plan.

      Romney proposes to reduce income tax rates by 20 percent and eliminate the estate tax and the alternative minimum tax. The Tax Policy Center, a Washington research group, says that would reduce federal tax revenues by $465 billion in 2015, which would add up to about $5 trillion over 10 years.

      However, Romney says he wants to pay for the tax cuts by reducing or eliminating tax credits, deductions and exemptions. The goal is a simpler tax code that raises the same amount of money as the current system but does it in a more efficient manner.

      The knock on Romney's plan, which Obama accurately cited, is that Romney has refused to say which tax breaks he would eliminate to pay for the lower rates.


    • OBAMA: It's important "that we take some of the money that we're saving as we wind down two wars to rebuild America."

      THE FACTS: This oft-repeated claim is based on a fiscal fiction. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were paid for mostly with borrowed money, so stopping them doesn't create a new pool of available cash that can be used for something else, like rebuilding America. It just slows down the government's borrowing.

    • OBAMA: "Over the last two years, health care premiums have gone up — it's true — but they've gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years. So we're already beginning to see progress. In the meantime, folks out there with insurance, you're already getting a rebate."

      THE FACTS: Not so, concerning premiums. Obama is mixing overall health care spending, which has been growing at historically low levels, and health insurance premiums, which have continued to rise faster than wages and overall economic growth. Premiums for job-based family coverage have risen by nearly $2,400 since 2009 when Obama took office, according to the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation. In 2011, premiums jumped by 9 percent. This year's 4 percent increase was more manageable, but the price tag for family coverage stands at $15,745, with employees paying more than $4,300 of that.

      When it comes to insurance rebates under Obama's health care law, less than 10 percent of people with private health insurance are benefiting.

      More than 160 million Americans under 65 have private insurance through their jobs and by buying their own policies. According to the administration, about 13 million people will benefit from rebates. And nearly two-thirds of that number will only be entitled to a share of it, since they are covered under job-based plans where their employer pays most of the premium and will get most of the rebate.

    • Here's a look at some of their claims and how they stack up with the facts:

      OBAMA: "I've proposed a specific $4 trillion deficit reduction plan. ... The way we do it is $2.50 for every cut, we ask for $1 in additional revenue."

      THE FACTS: In promising $4 trillion, Obama is already banking more than $2 trillion from legislation enacted along with Republicans last year that cut agency operating budgets and capped them for 10 years. He also claims more than $800 billion in war savings that would occur anyway. And he uses creative bookkeeping to hide spending on Medicare reimbursements to doctors. Take those "cuts" away and Obama's $2.50/$1 ratio of spending cuts to tax increases shifts significantly more in the direction of tax increases.

      Obama's February budget offered proposals that would cut deficits over the coming decade by $2 trillion instead of $4 trillion. Of that deficit reduction, tax increases accounted for $1.6 trillion. He promises relatively small spending cuts of $597 billion from big federal benefit programs like Medicare and Medicaid. He also proposed higher spending on infrastructure projects.

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