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  • dickw3939 dickw3939 Dec 7, 2012 11:02 AM Flag

    How many are aware that the government is making plans to seize retirement accounts?

    They need the money. The Federal Reserve is now buying over 60% of our bonds. China and other buyers of U.S. Treasuries have stopped buying. Has anyone heard about this from the mainstream media?

    Sentiment: Hold

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    • This is a myth. We print our own money and can buy as many bonds as we'd like, if we choose to do so. Incredible financial ignorance. China's share of our bonds has been going down, but the reason China buys our bonds is that there is nowhere safer to invest their USD revenues than US Treasuries. The Euro is the only other market big enough, and they don't want to be there at this stage, but even when it seemed safer, they were here. The notion that the Chinese will dump US treasuries or that that will be a big deal is more stupidity.

    • Only SMART Americans know about "quantitative easing", aka monitizing our debt or printing money to buy our debt....FIAT money or "monopoly game" money!, take your pick. Food and gas are not expensive, it is just that the US dollar is worth less and soon it will be worthless!

      Remember, Mr. Soros talked about a "managed decline" of the US economy, and it will be a "good" thing. Keep awake, keep alert, and Pray without ceasing!

    • dickw, the government doesn't do this but Companies and Corporations have done it over and over and over again for several decades now. It is truly an almost unbelievable and incredibly sad and disgusting story. Once again, if you really want to know what has been behind the perverse and nauseating death spiral of private American pensions and benefits [by legal but totally unethical, odious and sickening means, almost unspeakable, really], read:

      RETIREMENT HEIST: How Companies Plunder and Profit from the Nest Eggs of American Workers

      by Ellen E. Schultz (of the Wall Street Journal)

      There are some books that are so good you can't put them down but be prepared because this is not one of those. This book is totally unflinching to the point that you will often enough probably have to put it down and walk away for awhile to be able to eventually get through it.

      Sentiment: Strong Buy

      • 2 Replies to elk_1l
      • Elk, just 2 key words I stated ...... "making plans." If the droids want to keep their heads in the sand that is their prerogative. The info is out there. All this crap about it being a lie is a lie in and of itself.

        Sentiment: Hold

      • Elk, the government is desperate for money to service this debt. The people's IRA/401Ks will be converted to GRAs with a guaranteed 3% interest that WILL NOT be indexed to inflation. This is the plan now. I suppose it could change. We will see. As I understand it, this switch will not be voluntary. There are more details but my typing is really poor.

        Sentiment: Hold

    • This is not true. Just more right wing extremist propaganda. Here is a portion of a fact check writeup. This spread of misinformation has gotten ridiculous.

      Q: Are congressional Democrats talking about confiscating IRA and 401(k) investment accounts?

      A: No. There’s no plan to seize these accounts. One House witness at a committee hearing proposed to allow some people to trade their old accounts for a new type that would be less risky.


      My mother has recently brought up a rumor that Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid endorse a plan for the goverment to take people’s 401Ks to make up tax dollars. Is this true and where did my mother get the information? (she can’t tell me).


      We’ve had many queries about this doozy. They all lead back to a Nov. 4 report posted by the Carolina Journal, a publication of the conservative John Locke Foundation of Raleigh, N.C. Its headline proclaimed, "Dems Target Private Retirement Accounts: Democratic leaders in the U.S. House discuss confiscating 401(k)s, IRAs." The report is wrong. There’s been no such discussion.

      What has been discussed is changing 401(k) and Individual Retirement Accounts in the future by limiting the deductibility of donations, and offering as an alternative a $600 tax credit and a new type of account with an annual return guaranteed by the government. That’s a controversial idea to be sure, but it’s a far cry from proposing that the government seize retirement assets that investors have already salted away in 401(k)s or IRAs. Nobody we know of is proposing anything like that.

      • 2 Replies to jimsobieraj
      • Goldworth Financial first uncovered the early blueprint of our government's plot to seize retirement accounts in early 2009. Since that time, we have come up with 9 Basic Questions that people have about this issue:

        1. Who’s behind the plot to confiscate retirement accounts?
        The government takeover of private retirement accounts is a concept first drawn up by Teresa Ghilarducci, who was funded by the White House, the Ford Foundation, and the Rockefeller Foundation. President Obama's 2008 presidential run proposed the "Automatic IRA," which has now evolved into Ghilarducci's "Guarantee Retirement Accounts (GRA's)" concept.

        2. Why does the Government want to seize Private Retirement accounts?
        They need it! China and other buyers of US Treasury (our debt) Bonds have stopped buying. The Federal Reserve reports that it is now forced to fill China’s role, and is buying over 61% of our Treasury Bonds.

        3. Have there been any public hearings? If so, who’s involved?
        There have been numerous hearings between the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and the Labor and Treasury Departments. The topic discussed is known as the “Lifetime Income Option-Annuity Income Stream.” Here is the role that each is playing:

        The role of the Labor Department-To draw up the guidelines for the Labor (workers) force to direct their pay into Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRA’s).
        The role of the Internal Revenue Service
        To write the laws that will tax/penalize you, if you don’t comply.
        The role of the Treasury Department- They have Treasury Bonds/U.S. Debt they need to sell!
        4. What workers’ unions are in favor of Nationalized Retirement Accounts?
        Believe it or not, the SEIC, CIO & AFL are all in favor! The proposal for this is being discussed as “Re-Imagining pensions.” These workers’ unions are all in favor of “Universal Secure and Adequate (USA)" retirement for all.

        John Adler, the Retirement Security Campaign Director of the SEIU, said: “We really don’t favor individual accounts as the way to go.” He went on to say: “Instead, we favor a pooled investment approach.”

        John Adler also mentioned Teresa Ghirladucci’s Guarantee Retirement Accounts (GRA). Adler said, “Ghirladucci’s recent proposal of state-sponsored plans is worthy of consideration."

        5. Okay, so unions are in favor of de-privatizing retirement accounts. But government can’t just take our money, can they?
        Yes! Unfortunately, they can! Here’s a recent snapshot of recent headlines in leading newspapers:

        May 16th, 2011-Washington Post reported: “Treasury to Tap Pensions to Fund Government.”

        January 17th, 2012-Reuters reported: “The Treasury Dips Further into Pension to Avoid Debt Limit.”

        April 12 th, 2012-NY Post reported: "Feds Eye Retirement-Fund Tax to Cut $16 Trillion-plus Deficit"

        And of course - August 16th, 2001-CNN reported : “Government Dipping into Social Security.”

        If Government “borrows” money they have NO Intention of paying back, wouldn’t you call that stealing/confiscation?

        6. Is Obama involved in the plot to seize retirement accounts, and if so, how will they do it?
        Proof can be found in the Obama Administration's 256-page FY 2013 Budget Proposal, the revival of his 2008 presidential run’s "Automatic IRA." It has now evolved into two proposals: Secure Choice Pension and Government Retirement Accounts (GRA's).

        Some of the proposed “features” are:

        Government will automatically deduct 5%-6% out of your earnings. Those funds will be deposited into a pooled GRA.

        The current tax deduction will be eliminated, and replaced with a tax credit.

        Instead of receiving a tax refund check, part or ALL will automatically be placed into a pooled GRA.

        Worker's un-used vacation pay will automatically be converted to income, which will be deposited into a pooled GRA.

        The funds in your current retirement account will be converted to “longevity annuities,” which typically don’t start making income payments until the investor is well into retirement, 82-85 years old.

        Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRA's) will be administered by the Social Security Administration.

        Much like S.S. Accounts, the uncollected equity will become the property of the Government, once the individual dies.

        7. Okay, Government will turn my Retirement Account into a GRA, which will function as “longevity annuities.” But what's in the annuity, and what kind of returns will I get?

        According to Teresa Ghirladucci, the originator of GRA's, the estimated return on your money will be 3%. It will NOT keep up with government-reported inflation, let alone TRUE/REAL Inflation.

        The Government-run annuity will contain U.S. Treasury Bonds, Treasury Notes and Treasury Bills- everything China no longer buys.

        The Treasury Department is so desperate to find new buyers, they recently announced that “taxpayers will now have another savings option-the ability to use their refunds to purchase U.S Savings Bonds without having to open an account with the Treasury; even if the tax payer doesn’t have a bank account."

        Citigroup analyst Hans Lorenzen said: "U.S regulators are essentially forcing banks to buy up government debt-While that helps Government Issue more and more debt, the strategy could ultimately explode if the government isn’t able to make the bond payment, leaving the holders of the bonds with toxic debt."

        Yes, through GRA’s, you will be holding our government's toxic debt!

        8. What States, Senate Bills and politicians are in favor of this new Socialistic program?

        H.R. 4049: Automatic IRA Act of 2012
        Sponsor: Rep Neal, Richard E. [MA-D]
        Sen. Jeff Bingaman [NM-D] -September 2011
        Rep Blumenauer, Earl [OR-D] - 2/16/2012
        Rep Crowley, Joseph [NY-D] - 4/19/2012
        Rep Deutch, Theodore E. [FL-D] - 3/29/2012
        Rep Himes, James A. [CT-D] - 5/7/2012
        Rep Honda, Michael M. [CA-D] - 2/28/2012
        Rep Larson, John B. [CT-D] - 4/19/2012
        Rep Lewis, John [GA-D] - 4/19/2012
        Rep McGovern, James P. [MA-D] - 2/28/2012
        Rep Pascrell, Bill, Jr. [NJ-D] - 4/19/2012
        Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-D] - 3/20/2012
        Rep Schwartz, Allyson Y. [PA-D] - 4/19/2012
        Rep Stark, Fortney Pete [CA-D] - 2/28/2012
        Rep Thompson, Mike [CA-D] - 4/19/2012
        Rep Tierney, John F. [MA-D] - 8/2/2012
        Rep Tsongas, Niki [MA-D] - 4/25/2012

        Other related proposed legislation:

        SB1234, introduced by California Congressman Kevin De Leon. It's known as the "Golden State Retirement Trust." This bill is based on GRA's.

        On May 6, 2012, Lauren Schmitz, a research analyst at the Barnard L Schwartz Center for Economic Analyst (SCEPA), introduced HB5337. SCEPA is the very same Institution where Teresa Ghularducci originated the GRA concept. This Connecticut Bill is also based on GRA's.

        9. I don't like the idea of GRA's, so can I just pay the early withdrawal penalty and tax, and pull everything out of my retirement account?

        No! The Government has already thought of that. On May 18, 2011, Herb Kohl (D-WI) and Mike Enzi (R-WY) introduced "S1020-Saving Enhancement by Alleviating Leakage in 401k Savings Accounts, "AKA: Seal Savings Accounts. This bill will restrict you from accessing your money. In fact, you won't even be able to borrow from it.

        Food for thought - When a country is neck-deep in debt, and has nobody to borrow from, recent history has shown us that indebted Governments steal their citizens’ wealth! Countries such as Belgium, Poland, Hungary, France, Argentina, Bolivia and Ireland have already seized private retirement accounts.

        If you have read Goldworth Financial's previous reporting on the De-Privatization & Seizure of Retirement Accounts, WHY are you waiting for the OFFICIAL government announcement: "To Protect You and for the Good of Our Country, we are Nationalizing Private retirement accounts"? By then, it will be too late to do anything about it!

        It's the old "Frog in a Boiling Pot of Water" they turn up the heat, in stages.

        IF the Supreme Court's ruling on Obamacare didn't wake you, it should! The ruling will simply be used as case law, when government "herds" everyone into Nationalized Retirement Accounts.

        Sentiment: Hold

      • It is true, I don't care what fact check says. Research it. About half of your reply is right.

        Sentiment: Hold

    • Best go out and dig a hole to put your money in to hide it from the govt,,

      Sentiment: Hold