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Advanced Cell Technology Inc. Message Board

  • jwilgre jwilgre Jun 29, 2013 12:07 AM Flag

    Reverse split....

    A reverse split of 10/1 would leave me with 25,000 shares...That means I would lose 225,000 dollars for every $1.00 move up in pps...I tell you now, I will sue ACTC, if they are withholding info to garner support for a R/S...If good news is released post R/S, so that Gary can reward the new institutional share holders, I will file a suit, and win...10/1 is conservative...I will expect a 50/1 from Gary...It amounts to grand theft.

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    • This is a nonsensical post. The measure of a company's fair value and value generally, despite the focus of shareholders on how many shares and their value, is MARKET CAPITALIZATION. Therefore, the metrics of your shares will change per penny rise, but the MARKET CAP measure of your shares (% ownership of the company) does NOT CHANGE when a r/s happens. Therefore, if it is 180 million when the reverse split occurs, it will still be 180 million and your shares will still represent the same percentage of that amount. Simple math here.

      Therefore, if they have a JV that values the product at a certain level, and the market capitalization moves to 1 billion or 2 billion or more, over time, you will still make the SAME PROFIT on your shares as you would have, had you had 225,000 shares. Same percentage. Not really hard to figure out, but easy to confuse people who may not really understand what this all means and how stocks really work.

      The move of $1.00, when you have, for simplicity's sake, 2 billion shares, is 2 billion dollars. Very hard to get that valuation with 2 billion shares, as lots of different hands have to keep their shares in place, to keep that value up. Since lots of holders, can sell 100,000 here and there, it's very hard to retain a high price on the shares. This is especially true when institutional investors, who invest millions of dollars at a time, will NOT buy penny shares and you only have people who have their life savings of 10, or 20, or 30,000 dollars in the company, and want at least their original investment back and probably more to pay off mortgages, debt, etc.

      So you have weak hands, billions of shares, and most of the stock market cannot buy these shares. So 95% of the market, is unable to buy these shares. That keeps the value from rising. Hence, a r/s, makes the shares available to 95% of the market that CAN"T buy the shares now. Any fool knows, that if you don't make your shares available to the market, you lose.

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      • So, a r/s, will not affect your ability to profit in this case, because it's an UPLIST. And an UPLIST means that large purchasers can now start to buy and accumulate shares. The company would no longer be dependent only on small purchasers like you and me, who mostly don't really know much and mostly don't have a lot of money to put at risk or to leave tied up indefinitely when they see a little profit to take. SO, it's hard to get the stock to go up by the DOLLARS that you crave, when everyone is holding hundreds of thousands or millions of shares, because the metrics of the increase, meaning the multiples, for a $1.00 increase means there have to be billions of dollars chasing the shares, but penny holders, don't really control that kind of money. So you'll likely rarely see, the kind of profit you fantasize about with this number of shares, because there is less money chasing the shares, because most of the market is foreclosed from buying your shares. And that money, has to e enough that it can remain invested, even when many of the penny traders have moved on, post the 1 or 2 billion market cap valuation that makes them suddenly a bit wealthier than they were a few days before.

        So your scenario, is really, unlikely. A r/s is likely the only way to accelerate a true valuation of the company that would reflect the real value of the products, in both the short, mid and long-term. This is, of course, IMO.

    • Per Rabin: " I know very well that most reverse splits are are, least in the short term, value destructive.... "

      : )

    • i think your math leaves a little to be desired. since in your scenario you still have 25,000 shares, you will only lose 200,000$ for every 1$ increase. so, you've got that going for ya.

    • Do you need some one to sign up as spport?

    • You people are even dumber than I thought...You know absolutely nothing, and at the same time, you are never in doubt...

    • Next time try this approach. Think.....think again and then post. Perhaps even review what you plan on posting before hitting the 'post' key, and perhaps then you wouldn't look so foolish. Good luck.

    • jwigre nt

    • You wouldn't lose anything. Your 25k in shares would be worth just as much as your 250k is now if they did indeed do a 1/10 r/s. Every $1 it went up, assuming that would actually happen, and you'd be $25k ahead. Bad part is I doubt it would go up in price after a r/s, especially if they did it now.

    • You really don't understand what stock is, what it represents or why that's irrelevant to how much money you'd make if the stock has a new class of investors and 99% of the cash that now can't invest, can invest, post r/s in the company. It's pure ignorance, unfortunately.

    • you have no idea about what a r/s means to you.

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