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  • lonesome_polecatt lonesome_polecatt Mar 19, 2014 10:25 PM Flag

    I've asked this before and as usual the loons who can't stand facts don't answer. How come the loons hate the Koch bros who

    to my knowledge have never done anything illegal yet they love a N:A:Z:I collaborator and convicted felon George Soros?

    Oh, I know. Soros is a hard core billionaire socialist, sounds like an oxymoron, part of the hated 1% (Oh, wait a minute. If your a lefty it's all right to be in the 1%.). To the loons, no matter how evil you are, it's OK if you're a socialist, just like Stalin, Mao or the left's personal favorite Castro.

    Sentiment: Buy

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    • COULD THE KOCH BROTHERS END UP DESTROYING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?

      Salon [1] / By Simon Malloy | March 24, 2014

      I confess to having once been agnostic toward Charles and David Koch. For quite a while, actually. To me they were the boogeymen of the left, the people liberals complained about to agitate the base, or when they had no better ammunition to fire against conservatives and Republicans. Despite countless exposés of “Koch-funded” organizations, they just didn’t seem that threatening. THE KOCH BROTHERS’ MOST PUBLIC OUTLET FOR POLITICAL ACTIVISM, AMERICANS FOR PROSPERITY, WAS A JOKE. THE GROUP SPENT ITS MONEY FIGHTING CLIMATE CHANGE LEGISLATION BY FLYING A 70-FOOT HOT AIR BALLOON [3] ACROSS THE COUNTRY. HOT AIR, CLIMATE CHANGE, ZING.

      I’VE SINCE BEEN DISABUSED OF THAT ATTITUDE. AMERICANS FOR PROSPERITY HAS GROWN FROM A COLLECTION OF SIDESHOW BALLOONISTS TO ONE OF THE HEAVIEST-HITTING POLITICAL GROUPS IN THE COUNTRY [4] (THOUGH YOU CAN STILL GET A BALLOON RIDE [5] IF YOU WANT). The sprawling, multi-state operation is working to kick Democrats out of office and put together a “personal electoral laboratory to fine-tune get-out-the-vote tools and messaging for future elections as it pursues its overarching goal of convincing Americans that big government is bad government,” per the New York Times.

      Now, you may be asking yourself: “Isn’t that what the Republican Party is supposed to be doing?” In a word, yes. But the Kochs are creating their own political machine. And while that’s bad news for vulnerable Senate Democrats facing down the onslaught of TV ads AFP has planned, it should also be worrying for the GOP.

      The animating purpose of a party is to have control – over the influence, over the money, over the policy. And it has to have control of the agenda. That is what makes a party a party. It sets an agenda and then uses money, policy and influence to get the public on its side. Republicans have not been very successful over the past decade at selling their agenda to the public. All the while, conservatives have been left to sit and stew while the Obama agenda slowly, inexorably marches toward fruition. There’s palpable frustration from movement conservatives at the Republican establishment.

      The GOP left a vacuum, and the Koch brothers are filling it by constructing a competing political operation, competing fundraising operations, and competing ideological foundations. Right now the GOP and the Koch machine are largely in sync; their political arguments are congruent (Obamacare sucks!) and they share a common enemy in Barack Obama. But what happens when their interests start diverging?

      AFP CAMPAIGNED HARD AGAINST OBAMACARE’S MEDICAID EXPANSION, AND AS GREG SARGENT POINTED OUT [6], THEY’RE GOING TO KEEP FIGHTING TO MAKE SURE THOSE STATES THAT REJECTED THE EXPANSION HOLD THE LINE. “CRITICAL TO AFP’S AGENDA IS TO BLOCK THE EXPANSION FROM MOVING FORWARD OR SUCCEEDING WHEREVER POSSIBLE.” WHILE AFP MAY BE STALWART IN ITS COMMITMENT TO DENYING HEALTH COVERAGE TO THE POOR, REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS FROM STATES THAT REJECTED THE MEDICAID EXPANSION ARE STARTING TO CRACK, REPORTS [7] THE NATIONAL JOURNAL.

      MANY OF THE WAVERING LAWMAKERS ARE LOOKING TO CARVE OUT COMPROMISE PROPOSALS – BLOCK GRANTS, WORK REQUIREMENTS, ETC. COULD AFP AND THE REPUBLICANS THEMSELVES FIND A HAPPY COMPROMISE BY ATTACHING CONDITIONS TO THE RECEIPT OF FEDERAL MEDICAID FUNDS?

      It doesn’t seem likely. Arkansas was one of the few Southern states to agree to the Medicaid expansion, but it needed a bit of compromise. Gov. Mike Beebe, a Democrat, worked out a deal with the GOP-controlled Legislature to use the federal money to buy private insurance for people who would otherwise be eligible for Medicaid. They called it the “private option.” AFP called it [8] “Medicaid expansion by another name” and concluded that “advocates for taxpayers should not expand Medicaid through the traditional expansion mechanism or through the modified private insurance model.”

      As more states jump on board with the expansion, or as Republicans start making peace with the fact that Obamacare’s future is almost certainly secure [9], the GOP and the Koch empire are going to find themselves increasingly at odds on an issue that right now holds them together. AFP backs full repeal of Obamacare, but as more people start receiving benefits through Obamacare, full repeal becomes an increasingly untenable position [10], which puts pressure on Republicans to moderate.

      That gets to the key philosophical difference between the Kochs and the GOP. As extreme as they often are and as infuriatingly obstructionist as Republicans can be, they are still vulnerable to prevailing public sentiment and beholden to the realities of governing. The Kochs answer only to themselves. They act according to self-interest and the interests of their tax bracket. “Leaders of the effort say it has great appeal to the businessmen and businesswomen who finance the operation and believe that excess regulation and taxation are harming their enterprises and threatening the future of the country,” the New York Times noted.

      AFP has a functionally unlimited budget and no reason to alter its agenda. The Koch network is outspending everyone [11] in its attempt to bring down big government in 2014. If it can be demonstrated that they played a key role in the Republicans’ (likely) electoral gains this year, then the money, power and ideology of the Koch brothers will stand alongside that of the Republican establishment. And if there’s one thing political parties don’t do well, it’s share power.

      Sentiment: Strong Buy

    • You're a disgusting hatemonger, who is deluded enough to think you are actually intelligent. I feel sorry for you. You're family must go through hell because of you.

    • I, can answer your question, polecatt. My hand is raised so call on me. I, hate the Koch bros because they will try to insert a pod into my brain and take over my thoughts and turn me into a mindless drone like thy did to you and dickw.

    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FY7RWJAtJQ

    • elk loves soros....
      elk loves Odumbo...
      elk loves puke...
      elk loves losers...

    • Since you've asked this before, why keep doing it? And why here?

    • I surely don't know, pole. Like a lot of things they say, it just doesn't make any sense. They blame capitalism for its evil ways but here they are jnvested in the stock market. The 1%ers on the right are no good but those on the left are okay with them. Global warming is causing the planet to heat up and it is also causing severely cold winters like we just had. I'm guessing they want honest politicians but they give unwavering support to those who lie and deceive the American public. To top it off they glory over their own perceived superior intellect but they are only deluding themselves. I am not questioning their intelligence like they always do ours but a common sense factor does enter in because of their extreme end to end shifts on most subjects. They say they support the Constitution but then want to revise it to how THEY THINK IT SHOULD READ. God help us all! I could go on and on but it would serve no purpose. I see no chance of striking any political compromise with such hard core and unyielding people who live in their own fantasy world.

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      • Re: "...I am not questioning their intelligence like they always do ours but a common sense factor does enter in because of their extreme end to end shifts on most subjects. ..."

        dickw, you continue to entertain quite fully as you make comments like this from your perch way, way, way over there in the extreme RWNJ end of the RWNJ bubble on the extreme end of the RWNJ plank. Keep up the great work.

        Sentiment: Strong Buy

      • dickw, great post. You hit the nail on the head. It backs up what I have always said. The loons are unhappy, angry and dysfunctional. Dysfunctional says it all.

        However we are the idiots. We ask them logical, honest questions and get BS for answers. It's like we never learn.

        I am convinced the reason they don't give honest answers is they know what we ask the is true and they really don't like the truth and reality. Also the truth makes a lie of their evil political philosophy, socialism. They know The Dear Leader is a corrupt, incompetent, lying Chicago thug but it doesn't matter to them because he is a socialist like them and they will support anything or anyone who advances this pernicious harmful political system.

        Sentiment: Buy

    • polecatt, fraud, sosu, ace, beach are the Monkey House gang. They swing around their cage, make faces, throw feces and then clinb onto a tree branch and whack their willys. This monkey behaviour is appreciated by the kids that like to tease these chimps. bwaahahahahaha

    • flop is always cursing the Koch brothers. Maybe he can disengage his lips from The Dear Leader's a:s:s long enough to answer this?

      Sentiment: Buy

    • losers hang with losers....

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