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  • dickw3939 dickw3939 Apr 13, 2014 4:17 PM Flag

    THE FATTER THE GOVERNMENT, THE SKINNIER THE PEOPLE.

    The U.S. Debt, not including unfunded liabilities, is over $17 trillion dollars. The sociopaths who are driving the titanic will be arguing over raising the debt ceiling again. If we look back to September of 2011, which was the last loud debt-ceiling argument, gold rose 21% in a period of three months while politicians caused a major corrosion of confidence in our leaders. When governments are broke, everything is fair game.

    Government officials are parasites; they don’t produce anything. They only feed off of those who do. As one person said, the fatter the government, the skinner the people. And when government officials cannot meet their obligations or fulfill the promises they made to the public, they’ll figure out ways to appropriate the public’s money to fund their projects. Government officials don’t produce wealth; they only redistribute your wealth. Desperate government officials will always resort to expropriation, which is outright confiscation.

    If the Federal Reserve is currently buying 90% of the U.S. Treasury market and they are going insolvent, who do you think the government will lean on to pick up the slack? The answer is YOU. Ten thousand Baby Boomers will turn 65 years-old every day until 2030. And while the government has a debt problem of $17 trillion, not so coincidentally, our country's IRAs, 401Ks and retirement accounts amount to that same number: $17 trillion. What a convenient resource for the Federal Government.

    So here's the plan: The government will nationalize retirement accounts like IRAs, 401Ks, pensions, 403Bs, etc. so that you will be forced to use a portion of your retirement wealth to purchase U.S. government debt – debt that will ultimately default, as it is not possible to sustain our astronomical debt nor the deficits that create it. This plan was set in motion during the 2014 State of the Union Address, when Obama suddenly announced the creation of the MyRA: Your Savings Pays for U.S. Debt!

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    • These idiots just can't get past their partisanship. They refuse to acknowledge the national debt, union and corporate bailouts, government entrenched institutions who are corrupt and circumvent the constitution; they ignore example after example throughout history which expose the failure of large federal programs to meet their stated goals...most often making the perceived problem worse, (ACA is most recent). They deny the impact of the Fed's manipulation of capital markets, the central banking system, and their "regulation" of the laws of supply and demand. They support a party who chooses winners and losers with executive orders, who buys votes through redistribution, who is at war with economic freedom, individual pursuits, and freedom of religion. Sure the Left would love to get their dirty little hands on the private sector investment liquidity, after all...."everyone made it"... not those who earned it or managed it. More socialist slime disguised as helping others.

    • THE 10 MOST OBESE STATES IN AMERICA (AND THE RIGHT-WING POLICIES THAT PROMOTE POOR HEALTH)

      AlterNet / By Alex Henderson | April 16, 2014

      Obesity is a problem all over the country, but the problem is worse in some states than in others. A recent Gallup study presented state-by-state obesity stats [3]and while the research didn't get into politics, one need only scratch the surface to notice that many of the more obese states lean Republican. OF THE 10 STATES GALLUP CITED AS THE MOST OBESE, EIGHT WENT FOR REPUBLICAN MITT ROMNEY IN THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION: MISSISSIPPI, WEST VIRGINIA, LOUISIANA, ARKANSAS, SOUTH CAROLINA, TENNESSEE, KENTUCKY AND OKLAHOMA (THE EXCEPTIONS IN THAT TOP 10 ARE OHIO AND DELAWARE, BOTH OF WHICH OBAMA WON). AND EXCEPT FOR MONTANA—WHICH CAME IN AT #1 FOR THINNESS—ALL OF THE 10 STATES GALLUP CITED AS THE LEAST OBESE ARE STATES OBAMA CARRIED (INCLUDING MASSACHUSETTS, CONNECTICUT, NEW MEXICO, CALIFORNIA, HAWAII, MINNESOTA, NEVADA, COLORADO AND NEW YORK).

      THIS IS NO COINCIDENCE: REPUBLICANS PROMOTE POLICIES THAT TEND TO ENTRENCH POVERTY, AND OBESITY AND POVERTY OFTEN GO TOGETHER. THE REPUBLICAN-DOMINATED STATES WHERE OBESITY RATES ARE THE HIGHEST ARE STATES WHERE ONE IS MORE APT TO FIND MORE POVERTY, WEAK UNION PROTECTION, AN ABUNDANCE OF PEOPLE WHO LACK HEALTH INSURANCE AND A STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT OF 2010.

      The obesity epidemic in the U.S. can be attributed to a wide variety of factors—not only poverty, lack of health insurance and inadequate access to healthy food, but also everything from sedentary lifestyles to stress. Obesity can’t be blamed exclusively on the conservative policies; there is plenty of obesity in Philadelphia, Baltimore and other Democrat-dominated cities. But Gallup’s poll clearly demonstrates that obesity is widespread in red-state America, and GOP policies, from opposition to healthcare reform to union-busting to cutting food stamps, only exacerbate the problem.

      Below are the 10 most obese states with analysis of the economic and political conditions in those states.

      1. MISSISSIPPI

      Mississippi topped Gallup’s list of the U.S.’ most obese states with a 35.4% obesity rate. In other words, one in three Mississippi residents is obese (which is defined as having a body/mass index of 30 or higher). And Mississippi is as Republican as it gets: not since Jimmy Carter’s victory in 1976 has a Democrat carried Mississippi in a presidential race. The U.S.’ most obese state is also its poorest, and Mississippi’s healthcare crisis only makes matters worse: one in five Mississippi residents lacked health insurance in 2013. Regardless, Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant (a Republican) remains a vehement opponent of the Affordable Care Act, refusing any type of Medicaid expansion [4] via Obamacare in his state. The people who need healthcare reform the most in Mississippi—the obese, the uninsured, the poor, the unemployed or underemployed—are the very people Bryant and other Republicans have turned their backs on.

      2. WEST VIRGINIA

      West Virginia has long been a poster child for white rural poverty in the United States, and it isn’t hard to understand why. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, West Virginia (which was 92% white in 2012) had a poverty rate of 17.6% [5] from 2008-2012 compared to 14.9% nationwide. In some West Virginia counties, life expectancy is only slightly higher than it is in Ghana or Haiti—and the fact that West Virginia has the second highest obesity rate in the U.S. (34.4% in Gallup’s poll) certainly isn’t helping West Virginia residents live longer. West Virginia does have a Democratic governor (Earl Ray Tomblin) and Democrats (many of them center-right Blue Dogs) presently dominate West Virginia’s state senate. Nonetheless, Republican ideas are widespread in West Virginia, and Republican Evan Jenkins (a candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives) has been campaigning on repealing the Affordable Care Act [6]. Given West Virginia’s obesity and poverty rates and frighteningly low life expectancy, rolling back healthcare reform is the last thing that state should be doing in 2014.

      3. DELAWARE

      Although the least obese states in Gallup’s poll were generally either swing states or blue states (including California, Hawaii, New York and Connecticut), Gallup considers Democrat-dominated Delaware the third most obese state [7] in the country thanks to an obesity rate of 34.3%. Very much a blue state, Delaware hasn’t given its electoral votes to a GOP presidential candidate since George H.W. Bush, Sr.’s victory over Michael Dukakis in 1988. Delaware’s obesity problem cannot honestly be blamed on Republicans, but arguably, it reflects the growing inequality in the Democratic side of America. Democratic America ranges from ultra-gentrified, upscale places like Seattle, San Francisco and Manhattan to the most blue-collar parts of Delaware, and blue-collar America has been slammed hard by the current economic downturn.

      In September 2013, Democratic Sen. Robert Marshall of Wilmington asserted that Delaware needed to start creating a lot more high-paying jobs that don’t require a college degree. Though Marshall didn’t mention obesity, his point was relevant to a discussion of obesity because a lack of quality blue-collar jobs contributes to poverty—which in turn, leads to obesity.

      4. LOUISIANA

      Right behind Delaware when it comes to obesity is the heavily Republican Louisiana, which has an obesity rate of 32.7% in Gallup’s study—and Louisiana has also had, according to the U.S. Census Bureau in 2012, a poverty rate of 19.9% [8] (the third highest in the U.S.). A state with as much poverty and obesity as Louisiana is a prime example of why healthcare reform needs to go forward, yet Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (a possible candidate in the 2016 GOP presidential primary) has called for repealing Obamacare. Obesity and all the problems that go with it, from heart disease to high blood pressure to Type 2 diabetes, are better controlled when one has adequate access to healthcare, and Republicans like Jindal only make it harder for the poor to see a doctor.

      5. ARKANSAS

      Although Arkansas’ current two-term governor, Mike Beebe, is a Democrat, the state on the whole remains very Republican-leaning—and according to Gallup, it has the U.S.’ fifth highest obesity rate: 32.3%. The fact that obesity and poverty go hand in hand is evident in Arkansas, which had a poverty rate of 18.7% in 2011 [9] (according to the U.S. Census Bureau). Arkansas children, according to the 2011 Kids Count Data Book, are facing the second highest child poverty rate [10] in the United States. In a state with all that obesity and poverty, Republican State Sen. Nate Bell’s “solution” to those problems is to fight Medicaid expansion [11] and discourage Arkansas’ uninsured from singing up for Obamacare.

      6. SOUTH CAROLINA

      The sixth most obese state in the U.S., according to Gallup, is South Carolina (a Republican-leaning state that Obama won in 2008 but lost in 2012). South Carolina has a poverty rate of 17.6% [12], according to the U.S. Census Bureau. Around 764,000 South Carolina residents lacked health insurance in 2011 (according to a study conducted for the South Carolina Department of Health and Human Services), but Republican Gov. Nikki Haley has rejected Medicaid expansion [13] via Obamacare in her state. In addition to helping keep South Carolina’s poor uninsured, Haley has contributed to their poverty by being fiercely anti-union: Haley infamously said, “I love that we are one of the least unionized states in the country.”

      7. TENNESSEE

      The state Gallup cites as the seventh fattest in the U.S. is Tennessee, which has an obesity rate of 31.3 percent. And like other southern states, it is very Republican-dominated. Republicans aren’t big on anti-poverty programs—which, in effect, are also anti-obesity programs given the relationship between poverty and obesity—and in Tennessee, the U.S. Census Bureau found a poverty rate of 17.3% for 2008-2012 [14]. Plus, Tennessee is a so-called “right to work” state, meaning it’s very weak on union protection. Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam has rejected Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion in his state, where around one million residents [15] lacked health insurance in 2013. To make matters worse for Tennessee residents who are obese, poor and uninsured, Tennessee Republicans have proposed legislation that would outlaw Obamacare exchanges [16] throughout the state.

      8. OHIO

      Ohio, which Gallup considers the eighth fattest state in the U.S. with an obesity rate of 30.9%, is very much a swing state in presidential elections. Obama carried Ohio (where Republican Gov. John Kasich is seeking reelection this year) in 2008 and 2012, but it took a lot of hard and aggressive campaigning. So why is there so much obesity in Ohio? A lot of it has to do with the fact that Ohio, like other parts of the Rust Belt, has been hit hard by the outsourcing of manufacturing jobs to developing countries. Outsourcing has created a lot of poverty in Ohio (which, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, has a poverty rate of 15.3%).

      According to Mary Nally, executive director of Community Food Initiatives in Athens, Ohio, 20% of the people living in Athens County suffer from food insecurity—and Nally has said that “There’s a strong relationship between being food-insecure and being obese [17].” Nally has noted that in some rural parts of Athens County, the poor suffer from inadequate access to fresh fruits and vegetables and are more likely to eat an abundance of unhealthy processed food. Underscoring Ohio’s swing-state outlook is the fact that Kasich is among the few Republican governors who has agreed to a Medicaid expansion under Obamacare [18].

      9. KENTUCKY

      When health insurance companies send out literature encouraging Americans to get more exercise, eat healthfully and lose weight, they aren’t doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. They realize that if Obamacare is going to bring them a lot of new customers, it will cost them less if those customers are taking better care of themselves. But embracing a healthy lifestyle can be harder if one is poor, and Kentucky is a “red state” with a lot of poverty and a lot of obesity. According to Gallup, Kentucky is the U.S.’ ninth fattest state with an obesity rate of 30.6%—and according to the U.S. Census Bureau, Kentucky’s poverty rate increased to 19.4% in 2012 [19]. But Ron Crouch, director of research at the Kentucky Education and Workforce Development Cabinet, has predicted that Obamacare will create a lot of new healthcare jobs in Kentucky, possibly helping offset the loss of so many manufacturing jobs in that state, where Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear, a Democrat, has been a strong Obamacare supporter.

      10. OKLAHOMA

      The 10th most obese state in the U.S., according to Gallup, is Oklahoma, where there is an obesity rate of 30.5% and poverty reached a 10-year high in 2012. Oklahoma is also a hardcore red state where Republican Gov. Mary Fallin has refused Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion even though many people lack health insurance there. Oklahoma is a textbook example of why healthcare reform is desperately needed in the U.S. According to a report by the Kaiser Family Foundation, about 144,000 poor, uninsured Oklahoma residents [20] would be eligible for Medicaid assistance under Obamacare, but thanks to Fallin and other Oklahoma Republicans, they are being left out in the cold.

    • Have you been to Walmart recently? The place is swarming with fatties lumbering from the Cookie Isle to the Ice Cream cabinet. The government should be microscopic according to you.

    • Here's another one, dickw. Did I also miss your response to my reply on this one?



      "THE FATTER THE GOVERNMENT, THE SKINNIER THE PEOPLE"

      Brilliant again, dickw. This must be why the Red States are sweeping the list for the most unhealthy states in the US. Just take a look at this lineup of unhealthy states which includes the state of bumC at #5, good job of preventive care there, alright:

      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

      THESE ARE THE 10 UNHEALTHIEST STATES IN THE US

      KELLY DICKERSON | Business Insider | DEC. 11, 2013

      America's Health Rankings just released their annual report that analyzes the nation's health every year and ranks the states from healthiest to unhealthiest. The report is issued by the United Health Foundation, American Public Health Association, and Partnership for Prevention.

      The report analyzes the health of each state by comparing data from organizations like the Department of Education, the Census Bureau, and the Department of Health and Human Services. America's Health Rankings focuses the analysis on four main health categories: the behavior and everyday activities of people living in each state, the community and environment that people are living in in each state, state health policies, and clinical care.

      We've counted down to the unhealthiest state in the nation. Did your state manage to stay out of the bottom ten?

      10. INDIANA

      This is the lowest Indiana has ranked on the list since it began in 1990. The state has one of the highest rates of smoking and infant mortality rates. More than half a million people in the state have diabetes.

      9. TENNESSEE

      More than one in four children are living in poverty in Tennessee. Its also the state with the highest rate of violent crime.

      8. SOUTH CAROLINA

      South Carolina has a low high school graduation rate compared to other states: only about 68% of high school students graduate in four years.

      7. OKLAHOMA

      Obesity rates are high in Oklahoma. The amount of public funding available for health care has dropped 40% in the past two years.

      6. KENTUCKY

      Kentucky has the highest rate of smoking among the 50 states: about 28% of the adult population smokes. Obesity rates increased this year compared to 2012. More than one in four children are living in poverty.

      5. WEST VIRGINIA

      This state has the SECOND HIGHEST RATE OF SMOKING IN THE NATION: 28.2% OF ADULTS SMOKE. OBESITY RATES HAVE INCREASED FROM 2012. IT ALSO HAS THE SECOND HIGHEST RATE OF PHYSICAL INACTIVITY: about 31% of adults in West Virginia are inactive.

      4. ALABAMA

      Alabama has a high smoking rate and a high obesity rate. Violent crime has increased over the past two years.

      3. LOUISIANA

      The state used to rank dead last on this list, so its actually improved some. Obesity and violent crime rates remain high. About 30% of the children in Louisiana are living in poverty.

      2. ARKANSAS

      Smoking and diabetes are big problems in Arkansas. The rate of children living in poverty is 29%.

      1. MISSISSIPPI

      So what makes Mississippi the unhealthiest state in the U.S. this year? For starters THE HIGHEST IT HAS EVER RANKED ON THIS LIST IS 48TH. PHYSICAL INACTIVITY, OBESITY, AND DIABETES ARE SOME OF THE HIGHEST RATES IN THE NATION. MISSISSIPPI ALSO HAS THE HIGHEST RATE OF INFECTIOUS DISEASES LIKE CHLAMYDIA AND SALMONELLA.

      Sentiment: Strong Buy

    • Dickw, your subject line "THE FATTER THE GOVERNMENT, THE SKINNIER THE PEOPLE" is a conundrum, as Americans have become more and more obese. Must be the McDonald's syndrome, huh.

      "Government officials are parasites; they don’t produce anything. They only feed off of those who do. As one person said, the fatter the government, the skinner the people. And when government officials cannot meet their obligations or fulfill the promises they made to the public, they’ll figure out ways to appropriate the public’s money to fund their projects. Government officials don’t produce wealth; they only redistribute your wealth. Desperate government officials will always resort to expropriation, which is outright confiscation."

      What country are you living in? The US government has supplied highways, schools, electrification of the nation, internet, satellites for communications, immunization against polio, small pox, mumps, healthcare(medicare/medicaid, ACA), armed forces, and social security, just to name a few of things they have done to make our lives better.

    • The redder the neck the smaller the brain

    • dickw, this is exactly what Cyprus did. Cyprus confiscated saving accounts to try and pay off it's debt. A debt it accrued through massive unfunded social programs, you know like national heath care.

      Sentiment: Strong Buy

    • Elk, yet again and as always why can't you just address the issue? I've heard this brought up before about the government confiscating private retirement plans such as 401k's. I doubt it would ever happen but for there to have been a discussion someone must have at least raised the issue and I'd bet some Libroids would have no problem with it.

      • 3 Replies to theresnobeachhere
      • Re: "Elk, yet again and as always why can't you just address the issue? I've heard this brought up before about the government confiscating private retirement plans such as 401k's. .."

        Yes, nobeach, you have heard this brought up before by RWNJs like yourself. That is not a validation. Even the extreme RWNJ, dickw, is not saying it has happened, he is saying it is the plan:

        "So here's the plan: The government will nationalize retirement accounts like IRAs, 401Ks, pensions, 403Bs, etc. so that you will be forced to use a portion of your retirement wealth to purchase U.S. government debt .." by dickw

        OMG, anyone can make that kind of accusation about everyone and anything. What is documented is that corporations have raided innumerable pension funds for the benefit of their CEOs and executives and to the dry great detriment of frontline workers, again, as fully documented in RETIREMENT HEIST: HOW COMPANIES PLUNDER AND PROFIT FROM THE NEST EGGS OF AMERICAN WORKERS by Ellen E. Schultz but I am sure you and dickw don't want to read it because it provides facts.

        As for the government confiscating private retirement plans this is dickw's 2nd totally made up major RWNJ total lie today after his idiotic totally made up Jeffereson quote, which of course he never bothered to check the validity of as all of you RWNJs never do.

        Maybe some of will believe the facts on this lie if you get them from Forbes Mag. and will be able to get over your Rush Limbaugh spoon fed total paranoid idiocy [although, again, the Corporations are really doing these things].

        ++++++++++++++++++++++++

        BARACK OBAMA AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ARE NOT TAKING YOUR 401(K)

        Helaine Olen | Forbes Magazine | 12/19/2012

        Barack Obama’s supposed secret and diabolical plan to steal your 401(k) monies to plug holes in the federal budget, one of the many low points of the 2008 presidential campaign, is back.

        IT APPEARS TO HAVE STARTED ON THIS GO-ROUND WITH WORLD NET DAILY’S JEROME CORSI, BEST KNOWN FOR HIS OPINIONS ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF BARACK OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE, WHO PENNED A PIECE LATE LAST MONTH HEADLINED “NOW OBAMA WANTS YOUR 401(K).” The next day, The American Society of Pension Professionals and Actuaries began a media campaign, designed to head off the any changes to 401(k) tax subsidies. Within days, Investors Business Daily was writing about “the war on retirement,” which they described as “quiet now” but something that “could erupt at any time into a hot war.”

        On the other side, almost simultaneously, a paper co-authored by academics at Harvard University and Denmark was released. This paper, which explored how people in Denmark changed their savings habits in response to retirement tax incentives, more or less demonstrated that the popular 401(k)tax break does nothing to increase anyone’s savings rates, but, instead, allows people who would put the money aside anyway — mostly those at the top of the economic heap — to direct their funds toward a tax-advantaged retirement plan rather than, say, a plain old regular brokerage account where they would pay taxes on their original earnings, dividends and investment gains.

        This brought Rush Limbaugh into the fray. He united all these different strands in segments he ran on his popular radio program for several days running. He claimed the Democrats were ”demanding more of our private property to solve their budget problems.” AS FOR THAT STUDY OUT OF HARVARD AND DENMARK? MAYBE THOSE RESEARCHERS OR THE REPORTERS AT SUCH WEBSITES AT THE ATLANTIC AND TIME WHO WROTE ABOUT THE STUDY WERE IN ON IT TOO, OR PERHAPS THEY WERE BEING MANIPULATED BY THE EVIL GENIUSES BEHIND THE PLOT TO STEAL OUR RETIREMENT SAVINGS ACCOUNTS. ”The magazines didn’t just out of thin air say, ‘You know what? Let’s do a 401(k) story.’ Somebody at the regime calls ‘em and leaks it.”

        “There is an all-out assault,” Limbaugh proclaimed.

        Since then, rumors have run rampant on the Internet about this plot to steal all our retirement monies to fund the federal deficit.

        What’s really going on?

        One of the proposals that has received attention in Washington talking head discussions about how a compromise might be reached between Democrats and Republicans on the fiscal cliff and federal budget is one that argues for cutting back or eliminating the tax break the 401(k) deduction. This, I should say, is not a new suggestion. It’s come up numerous times over the years, but was given renewed life when the Simpson-Bowles commission stumped for it. It’s a commonsense if controversial idea, especially given the evidence we have that the tax break does not cause very many people to save more money. It’s this proposal, not any plot, that led the American Society of Pension Professionals and Actuaries to speak out in defense of the 401(k).

        Similarly, the details of the supposed plan to confiscate our 401(k)s originate, not in secret covens, but in the papers a number of academics have published over the years, seeking ways to better or reform our nation’s individual retirement savings efforts. The authors of these efforts include J. Mark Iwry, who is now a senior adviser to Secretary of the Treasury Tim Geithner and and a deputy assistant secretary for retirement and health policy. (The plot thickens! Just kidding!), He’s argued for such things as Automatic IRA’s, which would cover workers who are not offered access to a 401(k), and for the inclusion of annuities as a choice in 401(k) plans.

        Another name that frequently surfaces in the 401(k) plot discussions is longtime retirement activist Teresa Ghilarducci, a professor of economics at The New School, who believes the 401(k) should lose all its tax advantages, and instead be replaced by something she calls Guaranteed Retirement Accounts, a system of mandatory retirement contributions by both employees and their employers, that would allow for a minimum, promised investment return.

        HOWEVER, THE SUPPOSED CONSPIRACY NEVER MENTIONS A GROUP THAT TRULY DOES WANT YOUR 401(K) AND OTHER RETIREMENT ACCOUNTS: THE FINANCIAL SERVICES AND RELATED RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES. ACCORDING TO A REPORT ISSUED BY THE PROGRESSIVE THINK TANK DEMOS (WHERE GHILARDUCCI IS ALSO AFFILIATED) EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD WILL LOSE $155,000 OF THEIR RETIREMENT SAVINGS TO PLAN SPONSOR AND ADMINISTRATOR FEES.

        Call me cynical, but I think the 4o1(k) and the tax-advantaged subsidy granted those who utilize it is quite safe indeed.

        Sentiment: Strong Buy

      • Beach, making up "facts" (lies), accusing people of doing what he does (that's called hypocrisy) and obfuscation is what elk does best. The guy's a moron and he's proud of it.

        Sentiment: Strong Buy

      • Re: "Elk, yet again and as always why can't you just address the issue? I've heard this brought up before about the government confiscating private retirement plans such as 401k's"

        nobeach+dickw, read RETIREMENT HEIST: HOW COMPANIES PLUNDER AND PROFIT FROM THE NEST EGGS OF AMERICAN WORKERS by Ellen E. Schultz. The Corporations have all the major expertise on this repugnant phenomenon.

        Sentiment: Strong Buy

 
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