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  • stocktradingguy1974 stocktradingguy1974 Dec 13, 2012 5:29 PM Flag

    I predict AlcaLu will not get a loan

    Verwaayen got nothing right up to this point, so why should we expect that to suddenly change after more than 4 years of screwing up? I think this is the end of the road for AlcaLu.

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    • You are correct! ALU will not get loan because:
      1. It is not making profit!
      2. Losses all the time!
      3. 6 billion debt payment is coming due soon!

      That is suicide for any BANK. Why would they give loan to someone who cannot make profit and lose all their money? ALU sold business twice once in 09 and 11 and keeps losing money! NO WAY getting loan!
      Finally, Moody's cut their rating! THEY ARE JUNK!

      Sentiment: Strong Sell

      • 1 Reply to meredithmuar
      • I agree that a rejection of the loan is the best thing for ALU, but I dread what would happen to the stock price. Probably easily a new low. However, giving them more money does nothing to cure the problems. It's just a delay. Last year we got $1.5 billion from selling a valuable asset, and already Ben is begging for more.This just enables further mismanagement. I have not seen any analyst who feels that the cuts are sufficient to cure the enormous financial problems this company faces. The best thing for shareholders is for Goldman to level with the Board and tell them a sale of the company is urgent now. Certainly they know this, as their analyst report demonstrates. But they may give them the loan simply because ALU can pawn off some great assets, notably, Basil Alwan's IP division. Goldman may see an opportunity to seize this asset when Ben finishes driving ALU into the ground.

    • It's taking way too long to get a deal done

      Something seems wrong!

    • if so thats good news - will result in selling the company, either way, it works out for shareholders... problem is the waiting game issue but every day is one day closer regardless

      Sentiment: Hold

      • 4 Replies to andrew.marchese
      • I agree that not getting a loan is the best thing, though we would likely feel some real pain short term on the stock price. Giving Ben another $1.3 billion no more solves this company's financial problems then giving him $1.5 billion did last year. Expenses are way out of control, and I have not seen any analyst say that the cuts proposed are sufficient for the level of cash burn this company suffers. Better that Goldman is honest with the Board, and tells them that a sale is necessary, then let Ben mortgage our best assets so he can burn up even more cash. As shareholders, we will end up being left with nothing if Goldman just serves as Ben's enabler.

      • I agree that a rejection of the loan is the best thing for ALU, but I dread what would happen to the stock price. Probably easily a new low. However, giving them more money does nothing to cure the problems. It's just a delay. Last year we got $1.5 billion from selling a valuable asset, and already Ben is begging for more.This just enables further mismanagement. I have not seen any analyst who feels that the cuts are sufficient to cure the enormous financial problems this company faces. The best thing for shareholders is for Goldman to level with the Board and tell them a sale of the company is urgent now. Certainly they know this, as their analyst report demonstrates. But they may give them the loan simply because ALU can pawn off some great assets, notably, Basil Alwan's IP division. Goldman may see an opportunity to seize this asset when Ben finishes driving ALU into the ground.

      • I agree that a rejection of the loan is the best thing for ALU, but I dread what would happen to the stock price. Probably easily a new low. However, giving them more money does nothing to cure the problems. It's just a delay. Last year we got $1.5 billion from selling a valuable asset, and already Ben is begging for more.This just enables further mismanagement. I have not seen any analyst who feels that the cuts are sufficient to cure the enormous financial problems this company faces. The best thing for shareholders is for Goldman to level with the Board and tell them a sale of the company is urgent now. Certainly they know this, as their analyst report demonstrates. But they may give them the loan simply because ALU can pawn off some great assets, notably, Basil Alwan's IP division. Goldman may see an opportunity to seize this asset when Ben finishes driving ALU into the ground.

      • I agree that a rejection of the loan is the best thing for ALU, but I dread what would happen to the stock price. Probably easily a new low. However, giving them more money does nothing to cure the problems. It's just a delay. Last year we got $1.5 billion from selling a valuable asset, and already Ben is begging for more.This just enables further mismanagement. I have not seen any analyst who feels that the cuts are sufficient to cure the enormous financial problems this company faces. The best thing for shareholders is for Goldman to level with the Board and tell them a sale of the company is urgent now. Certainly they know this, as their analyst report demonstrates. But they may give them the loan simply because ALU can pawn off some great assets, notably, Basil Alwan's IP division. Goldman may see an opportunity to seize this asset when Ben finishes driving ALU into the ground.