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  • hansesteelyard hansesteelyard Jan 22, 2013 4:41 PM Flag

    The flawed Roman way...

     

    The Romans were an arrogant people with commitments far in excess of their own society's resources or political institutions.

    The looked on the entire world outside their land as "barbarian," and their "historians" and literary and political class wrote reams of nonsense about foreign peoples about which they knew almost nothing. Take for instance the Germans who they believed they could conquer, and, when that failed, whom they arrogantly believed they could ignore. They deluded themselves into believing that a society concentrated on agriculture, mining, and other craft and industrial pursuits was no threat to them. The extremely traditional and single minded culture to their North - and indeed a quite democratic culture when it came to deciding on war and peace - they looked upon as inferior to their own land of artists, poets, and lawyers, libertines, and politicians. The Romans celebrated homosexuality, bath pursuits, games, and made a national sport of cultural decadence while their neighbors to the north carried on with their more "rude" "uncivilized" activities... The Romans eventually were forced to exchange gold and a ever debased currency for the products of the lands to their North as well as to their East...

    The Romans eventually were annihilated, both on the battlefield and more importantly from within their decaying urban centers; their culture was smashed to pieces and fell. It simply became impossible for them them to tax enough for them to sustain their and Imperial military. Eventually it become sensible for areas that were Roman to renounce their Roman allegiance and assume the culture of others - that is assume the superior culture to their North.

    Only the Wall of Constantinople, built to protect a dying civilization from collapse, prevented their culture from being expunged altogether. It still survives in part, inspiring many of the failed governmental structures of Catholic Europe and Southern Europe today. What survives of its records and legal traditions and nostalgia about its "Senate" and "Assemblies" and Imperial decadence was preserved there, as well as items of curiosity recorded by Monks.

    In the land that gave birth to Luther, Hegel, and Protestant rationalism - Germany - the yoke of Rome was driven out in a titanic religious struggle. What remained of the failed Roman institutions, institutions which were incorporated into the Catholic Church, was annihilated as completely as the times would allow. England, the Netherlands, and other countries of the North followed the German lead...

    Other countries were inspired by a rather dubious 18th century fad to look up things Roman as admirable and worthy of copy... Idiotic geometric and very Roman institutions and names were lifted out of the past and set to battle against ancient Germanic ideas of governance, ideas that had long since found a home in England. Through the incorporation of foreign peoples of decidedly Roman cultures today- mostly Mexican but not exclusively- the threat to good sustainable governance is magnified many times over for such wayward lands... The rot and cancer is quite advanced now. Hopefully it can be stopped, but prospects are not hopeful for such an end.

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