Well thanks for your reply, you beat me to it. The only big problem for the 5 is availabiltiy. You might wait a while before you get it. Sales were over seven million before stock mkt opend this a.m. and the reports of 5 million by some media I found very puzzling. The 5 according to reports is sold out and furthermore in Eastern Europe are being resold for as much as 3500 dollars. That is factual and indicates the demand for the 5 is far higher than anyone has reported in the media. It also indicates the 5 is underpriced, which with an 8 pixil camera (at least $300) and mapping(Tom Toms sell for 150) plus the phone is certainly a deal considering you are only carrying a phone.