Unfortunately that sentiment can make you go broke. If it were maniuplation, dont you think the stock would have made some soft of positive move in the last 3 months? There's a clear limit as to how much this company can grow and it's finally come to pass. You can try and tell yourself otherwise but look at the facts. They already have the largest % in tablets, there's nowhere to go but down, smart phone saturation is beginning to materialize, samsung has all basis covered when it comes to both cheap and premium phones. Even if iTV appears, it's only going to impact the bottom line for so long. Without Jobs, who do you think is going to innovate?