Well...perhaps nobody but that does not mean taxpayers won't be forced to donate for this guy's defense. It's called taxation!
Sadly, the good people of Colorado will now have to cough up several hundred thousands of dollars to reward this psycho shooter for his deeds. Even though he has a Public Defender assigned to his case, those guys services do not come free. And their first objective will be to hire "expert" psychiatrists,
psychologists, and other pseudo experts to explain why this poor fellow arrived at this state where he massacred total strangers including children. It's called, in legal terms, mitigation! Any good liberal criminal defense attorney worth his salt will certainly be willing to spend untold numbers of taxpayer dollars (free money for a criminal defendant guaranteed by our constitution!?) to put on a good show for this demented idiot. And then you have the cost of prosecution, court expenses, lost time for a sitting judge to hear real cases in litigation, police officer witnesses and all those "living" victims having to take time off to re-live this event in a courtroom before total strangers, jurors wasting their time for weeks listening to horrific facts and then defense B.S. Plus, this jerk (he calls himself the "Joker"?) can pull any shenanigan he wants during the course of his trial because he is guaranteed his "public forum" to face his accusers and conduct any "defense" he can come up with. I say just feed the guy a 37 cent bullet through his upper palate and be done with it.
I do not give up hope. I suggest we are approaching a time in this country where absurd things like spending untold resources on behalf of those who prey on the good citizens of the community will be drastically curtailed. How many cities will have to go bankrupt, states going belly up, and the Federal government finally realizing it's dwindling tax revenues will not even cover the interest on existing debt that is totally unpayable.... before changes in spending arrive? The spending spigot will be turned down, if not turned off, in the not too distant future. And then revisions will have to be made. Does the government continue all it's social welfare programs including food stamp
programs for the hungry, continue to pay promised golden pension plans to government retirees, pay for the newly created right to free medical attention, or......eliminate the billions of tax dollars spent annually on the criminal defense of rapists, murderers, and thieves. Currently, those left-wing dingbats
supporting unlimited defense budgets for criminal defendants would argue that society must set the predators free if you cannot afford to provide them a "legitimate" defense (by who's standard?) in a courtroom. This, they will argue, will insure that no "innocent man" will be unjustly punished for something that cannot be proven "beyond a reasonable doubt."
Watch out, "liberals"! Setting all those predators free might mean they come breaking through the liberals' front doors as well as the rest of us to take what they want as there will be no consequences. A liberal should be careful on what he wishes for! I seriously doubt that our forefathers envisioned our
"constitution" would be interpreted to assure anarchy of the worst kind for the country. Go figure!
This is in reply to “yourdeadmeat69”, which appears to have been buried in the blizzard of responses to this topic.
“yourdeadmeat69“ said: “…you're implying vigilante justice.” in response at: tinyurl com/HapiWondrer (access the HapiWondrer link for Hapi’s response to the accusation. Replace the space with a period-after tinyurl).
At this point in time you need to not be so quick to be in support of a mass murderer’s rights. What we are risking is an escalation of violence if speedy, AND FAIR, justice is not meted out. It is probable that if it was one of your family members at that theatre your position would be quite different.
Your view, and some of the others on this topic, suggests mitigation of the risk to mass murderers by implying, without any basis, that there are mitigating circumstances, such as government mind control. That is really science fiction. This is one smart dude. He’s intelligent enough to put on an act to escape the ultimate penalty for his crimes. Now you might think that dying one’s hair day-glow red indicates some sort of mental condition. So that justifies all the murder and mayhem? Further, he is educated in the specialty of neuro-science that has given him access to the flaws in medical academia, and his mother is in the medical field as a nurse.
No one has taken up the suggestion, within this topic, to see what is available on the Internet on the subject of the therapeutic state (TS). As long as that is the case, no one has a basis to discuss this issue. The TS is just another arm of bankster control, and has been used repeatedly in every totalitarian state in recent history. It is, by the way, last on the list of G. Edward Griffins reasons to rid the country, and the world, of the Fed (as state in “The Creature from Jekyll Island”): “It is an instrument of totalitarianism”. (And the TS is part of the banksters’ control mechanism, FEMA camps, et al.)
Holmes is merely exploiting the flaws in the system by putting on an act that his defense team, they hope, will absolve him of personal responsibility, red hair, outrageous conduct (beyond the crime at issue), etc.
No one can get inside Holmes head to see exactly what he was thinking, but in cases like this the use of deductive reasoning needs to be used to protect us all from crimes that have the potential to create even larger problems.
By the way, Dr. Thomas S. Szasz is greatly admired for his contributions to the survival of liberty, and his bringing into being the definition of what constitutes the “Therapeutic State”. There is some indication, however, that he doesn’t fully understand the impact of fiat money as being at the basis of its emergence and the destructiveness it implies to liberty. That is understandable because he is probably so immersed in his profession. He is, however, far ahead of his critics in his field. Perhaps we all, at times, cannot see the forest for the trees.
I advocate no defense proffered in this thread whatsoever. I only advocate due process. If the due process system is flawed by allowing, over time, precedence for what you view as outlandish defenses, you're tossing the baby with the bathwater. Bath water is admittedly fetid and deserving of tossing--that too, is part of due process development. Due process is like setting traps for mice: when they're poisoned or caught, the crawl into ventilation ducts, urinate, and die stinking the place up until routed out. Been there, done that.
If you think you know where the trial is going from a defense angle, I've already written that storyline in three parts to include drugs (Jekyl-Hyde), jilted, and brain tumor and whatever, we're all spoiled by solving the crime in 24 minutes with four commercial breaks versus months of OJ nonsense.
Like investing, law and justice has been slowed down in this country until every Sesame Street trained adult grinds his teeth at more than sound bite answers. It must be a huge wake up call, to find that a country mired in economic insanity, no doc loans and mortgages as entitlements and their derivatives, should one day wake up and find the economic house of the entire world in shambles except for the Communist Chinese--who have won the Cold War without firing a single shot, due to our own greed and largesse--Most pointedly, have to slog for the next ten years through one idiotic QE after another till the value of our paper currency is driven into the ground, and it's fifty bux for a ridiculous Starbux coffee overpriced at 50 cents, let alone five dollars today.
The trial will take a year because that is what we've made of it, just like we screwed up our economic realities. The sentence will be life, on a death row as twenty years of blathering unfolds and refolds this idiot into the same position as a Sirhan Sirhan, rotting for the past 45 years after killing Bobby Kennedy.
Don't worry, the first guys taking to the streets because of unemployment have as of last December, their rights curtailed and can be categorized as terrorists by the current administration. You'll get plenty of jackboots slathering to exercise authority without due process in short order.
The admonition to be careful what you wish for is in order, but trite.
I'm too impatient to write that down and express it.
See how that works?
Just garb yourself in the hospital robe of the 26 year old mother resting in the hospital bed of the critical care unit of a Denver hospital who keeps asking, when she regains consciousness, to see her 6 year old daughter who she last remembers sitting next to her in the theater watching the exciting Batman movie. Hospital staff do not believe it is wise to inform this young mother that the "Joker" obliterated the life of her young daughter while vaporizing the lives of 11 other innocent moviegoers as this revelation might not be therapeutic to this young mother's recovery. Later, if not already, this mother will learn the tragic fate of her daughter. And then later, she will receive a subpeona to attend a preliminary hearing or grand jury hearing to first tell the world how she escorted her daughter to a date with death. Later she will have to repeat this performance in front of a jury (during trial). How sweet it is for this mother to be forced to grant the "Joker" his "rights". And how many other victims get to relish in these exercises before the public spotlight simply because there are those who claim money is no object in protecting a criminal's rights. After all, what if "you" were being charged with a crime.
Sorry! I'm not about to eliminate a platoon of innocent civilians from the face of the earth. And as for those who wish to discover the "why" for this idiot's actions??? I don't care a hoot for "why" he did it. In fact, I don't care if his attorney can make a claim under the age old McNaughton Rule that the Joker "could not distinguish between right and wrong". He had the mental capacity to pull the trigger again and again and again..........
So, once more, I pose the question as to how much money/resources the citizens of Colorado should cough up for the sensationalized defense of this cold blooded killer? If a defendant's legal team hires a shrink, that shrink will theorize a reason to explain away (or at least mitigate) homicidal behavior. So they will hire numerous shrinks (hired guns). That is a given. But who cares in circumstances such as this? The prosecutor's shrinks will say the opposite but in the long run....nothing will bring back the 12 victims....nothing! Nothing will heal the psychological wounds of all the other theater victims. They are scarred for life. So how many resources should be expended on the Joker? And does the government have the right to spend other people's money (the taxpayers)...by giving it to the Joker's defense team?
The Joker needs to be put down...very quickly and without wasting....a lot of resources. Enough said!
I said this elsewhere last week--Altho he spent $15K on incendiary devices and weapons, I believe he either couldn't get a job and got disgruntled during his doctorate (doctorates without experience are more unemployable not less) and snapped at the prospect OR, was experimenting with substances and went Jekyl Hyde on us. OR, some chick jilted him, however far fetched that might be.
Nobody has offered the brain tumor explanation either. I'll play that too. I don't care where the fault lies, I just want to know, WHY.
Isn't he supposed to be innocent until proven guilty in the American system of jurisprudence? You would likely want the same consideration.
Already others are stepping forward and saying something is fishy. I'm reminded of the mind control/black ops that was discussed being involved with the murders at Virgina Tech a few years ago and the covert government operations there in Blacksburg.
Now we have another anomalous murderous situation crop up in Colorado where it just so happens fed/gov, moving away from the coastlines in preparation for who knows what, has ensconced itself with likely the same capabilities.
Subject: Colorado Batman shooting shows obvious signs of being staged
Colorado Batman shooting shows obvious signs of being staged Friday, July 20, 2012 by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger Editor of NaturalNews.com (See all articles...)
I normally avoid getting involved in this kind of way-OT discussion, and the flak I'm likely to get to get for this comment will remind me why. But there IS something very fishy about this whole story. (For starters, check out moses_on_waters' links.) I'm suspicious of conspiracy theories in general, but I can't help seeing a lot of similarities here to Mark David Chapman (John Lennon's assassin), who a great deal of evidence indicates was the product of a government mind control program. (The Colorado killer just happens to have been a neuroscience student, but of course that's just another one of those inexplicable coincidences, isn't it?)
But let's assume for the moment this was simply another in an apparently endless series of "lone nuts" empowered by a massive arsenal of weaponry. I have no problem with a swift trial and summary justice for this clown, but I'm rather glad they caught him alive. I live 8,000 miles away from Colorado, but even here in relatively boring New Zealand, you can't get away from having to hear about it every time another wacko back there "one sandwich short of a picnic" grabs a semi-automatic off the shelf and goes trophy hunting at the local mall or schoolyard.
Think about it. This guy's picture is being shown over and over on the front page of every newspaper and broadcast on every news program in the world. I hope he lives long enough to explain why he committed this atrocity, because it's blatantly obvious that it was in order to secure the 15 minutes of fame that the world's media has so generously showered upon him. There will probably always be lunatics ready to martyr themselves to become heroes in their own imagination. But if promoting mass insecurity and fear aren't part of the corporate agenda - whether intentional or otherwise - then why is it necessary to constantly make worldwide celebrities out of them, and pander to the copycats that seem to inevitably follow?
The "Joker" indeed. I'm afraid the joke is once again going to be on us, folks.
MIRANDA and the right to counsel don't have anything to do with Liberal or Conservative anymore. They have to do with the rights of the individual, or, without them, we just get to be the equal of the jackboots or wimps, take your pick.
If you don't think Catholic Priest celibacy doesn't strain the crowd for weirdos and pedofiles, you ought to see what unbridled authority breeds when it reports for duty in uniform, but doesn't rest on process.
"You have the right to be stupid. What you say aint gonna be much."
Martin Riggs Lethal Weapon, 1988.
Ahhhh...and that is the crux of the issue. How does one define "due process"? How far does society go in the expense of protecting the "accused" rights? Does anyone set limits on defense attorneys making motions for additional funds for experts and investigators? Judges are reluctant to do so....and so they don't. And who pays when the budget is exhausted? Not the judge and not the defense lawyer. It is the taxpayer's burden!
Why do prospective jurors have to answer numerous personal questions (voir dire) during the jury selection process (under the threat of contempt proceedings) and waste innumerable hours of personal time with family and work when the "accused" has the "right to remain silent" throughout the course of an entire trial.
Oh yeah! We need to spend the bucks in every godforsaken case to prove that "justice" leaves no stone unturned. Otherwise, someone might accuse us of wearing "jackboots" during the off hours.
Some things never change....until the money runs out.
Yeah maybe we should hang everybody that 3 other peopale point at and say he did something wrong ! Oh we tried that in 1692 it was called the Salem Which trials !!! That is why we have a Constitution !!!
I cannot follow your logic. My entire argument is predicated on the idea that everyone deserves their day in court. I'd want it for myself and would extend it to others. But if this person has a court appointed lawyer, they're screwed from the get go. Such representation is merely meant to create the impression of fairness. I've sat in enough courtrooms and watched that ballet enough to know.
Bar card holders can do nothing to irritate the court IF they want to keep their membership in that club.
As I read the stories about this person's countenance in the court this morning, I cannot help but ruminate on the idea of what it would be like to awaken from some drug induced state of mind to discover that I was being arraigned as a mas murderer.
I don't view our military actions as defending freedom—certainly not ours and there is no way we are defending anyone else (but their assets, that's a given).
Instead, it is more in tune with both protection and projection of political and economic hegemony and frankly there's nothing more to indicate anything like a redeeming value. We're literally at the end of our rope and the Central Committee wasn't aware just how important tying a knot was.
-----------you philosiphers should finish this string, thread.
rubber wallpaper rooms for everyone-------------
"PHILOSIPHERS" - ?? Instead of staying awake trying to impress (most unsuccessfully) it would be more productive if you learned to speak English. I mean, command of just one lousy language doesn't seem asking too much. But, since you obviously lack even that basic talent, at the very least have the courtesy to refrain from exposing your stupidity and forget posting silly comments on these MB's.. But then again, maybe I am expecting way too much from a grunt.
It is the dollar that the military is protecting. When it was agreed that the US $ would be international currency the US agreed to militarily protect the value of the $ and be the worlds policeman. If a foreign country’s leader wants to sell oil in a currency other than the dollar then we replace the leader of that country with the help of our military.