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Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia Inc. Message Board

  • baggiebuster baggiebuster Jun 10, 2004 11:21 PM Flag

    WE NEED A HANGING JUDGE!

    I am so sickened by this motion I could PUKE. When will JUSTICE be served? When do I see Martha on the Perk Walk in Handcuffs? Society deserves retribution from these white collar CRIMINALS! Society needs to be purged from the MORAL HAZARDS that these arrogant psychopaths emit on the very fiber of descent society.

    SO I SAY, JUST HANG THE BITCH AND DO IT NOW!

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    • Re dividends, look up Miller and Modigliani research. They are both Noble Prize winners, and collaborated on a paper re dividends. Their conclusion, dividends don�t matter. At most, there is disagreement about this, but I don�t believe in dividends for growing companies. That does not mean I am a day trader. Take a look at Microsoft, which only recently paid out a dividend.

      Looking at my own portfolios, I have a lot more capital gains than dividends.

      Re the MSO IPO, Martha owned about 60% of the shares before the IPO, and still owns about the 60%. The money raised at the IPO went to the company, not Martha. Martha still only had 60%. Shareholders did not donate capital; they bought shares with their money.

    • Or does Martha want a Well Hung Judge?

    • Thanks for your reply but I disagree with some of your points.

      1. Obvious

      2. Dividends vs capital gains depends upon the individuals financial condition. It may not be better if the investor has losses to shelter the income. While paying a $1.00 dividend MAY cause the value to drop by a $1.00, the issue WILL bounce back and if the dividend was significant, it will bounce back to a higher level.

      3. A company requires working capital to fund it's internal growth (not new investments) but it also needs to insure the market value of their issue for their shareholders, which I maintain, a strong part of which is based upon the dividends paid.

      3. I'm not familiar with the details of martha's purchase back of MSO from Time but she was not capital rich. Therefore, I assume she leveraged the buy-back and if that was the case, then she had very little of her own money in MSO.

      The current capital structure, like most IPOs for every public corporation, is donated by shareholders. When MSOs initial offer rose to $40.00 a share (and subsequently dropped), I would assume that this capital influx still accounts for the major portion of their current capital. While MSO made money for a few year in the range of $10M - $15M.

      Good points - but I may be old fashioned and earn money the old fashioned way, and that's buy looking at dividends, rather than a day-trader seeking a quick run up and turn down.

    • Damned Yahoo's jerky message board. Sorry for the double post.

      Naz

    • This is a flip of the coin, but hardly a done deal just because Martha may be heading to the pokey. Although I've posted previously that MSO's fate was directly related to Martha's (and still is to a large extent), if the gov continues to screw this up (and they're already on tenuous ground), she could garner a softening of her image she couldn't have PAID for. There is a long shot that this could (even with incarceration) backfire on the shorts and end up with the shorts riding a 'Free Martha' rocket in the wazoo!! Wouldn't that be nice?

      Naz

    • This is a flip of the coin, but hardly a done deal just because Martha may be heading to the pokey. Although I've posted previously that MSO's fate was directly related to Martha's (and still is to a large extent), if the gov continues to screw this up (and they're already on tenuous ground), she could garner a softening of her image she couldn't have PAID for. There is a long shot that this could (even with incarceration) backfire on the shorts and end up with the shorts riding a 'Free Martha' rocket in the wazoo!! Wouldn't that be nice?

      Naz

      Naz

    • Okay.... so cry me a river.

      The point of the STORY.. if U !#@$'s fergot ...

      IS THAT STEWART SOLD ON INSIDERS INFORMATION.
      She sold, and the next day the stock plummeted. CHANCE? NO WAY DUDE, wake up. Stop giving excuses. ITS that simple.

      And in conclusion, she SAVED what $50K? LOST what??? Infinite AMOUNT OF $$$ including her image. that alone is a billion bucks.

      Stupid? Selfish? Greedy? For sure.

      Whats to argue? The technicalities of the trade? Its nonesense. Nobody will know what happened behind the scenes of the incident and the trial.

      But ALWAYS (mark my words here) if u smell a rat...there he is...err.. SHE IS!!!!!

    • I know you think MSO is destine to be a pile of crap, and you may be right, but that has no bearing on how the stock will trade. These guys took an $9 stock pre trial, ran it up to $12 during the trial, and ran it up to $17 in a few seconds before the decision, to re open at $10, after the wall street insiders bought or covered at $8. This thing should be $5 right now, if there truely were valuation pricing only. But there are too many people making money because it isn't that low (put writers- hedgies etc)

      I've recently bought a few september calls at a strike of $10, because these guys could easily do a TASR like squeeze if they wanted to, on any small supprise rulling. In any event, it ain't going to reach true value of about $5 anytime soon.

    • <<
      Forgot to comment about paying dividends now.

      Given recent trouble, MSO will likely run low on cash. That wouold not be a good time to pay a dividend.
      >>

      Agreed. Now would be a lousy time to start paying dividends. Now would be a damned good time for the Executives and BOD to say what the hell they plan to do post Martha. Or disolve the company. One or the other.

    • Forgot to comment about paying dividends now.

      Given recent trouble, MSO will likely run low on cash. That wouold not be a good time to pay a dividend.

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