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  • buyandby buyandby Oct 24, 2007 9:40 PM Flag

    EMC + VMW = $90 billion - The math: $70 billion increase in total Market Cap in less than 180 days

    Jamie,
    I have serious doubts that there is a grain of truth in this propaganda disguised as sincere experience. For the moment, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and say simply, that if this is truely your job, to assist in the installation of VMWARE, and this is the best you have achieved, you don't know what you are doing, and/or you are not fully exploiting VMWARE, and it's facilities.

    Would you please tell me what company you work for, so I can tell friends and family not to contract them for their major Infrastructure re-architecture.

    I am so sick of seeing this propaganda from MSFT bigots, and SUN/Solaris folks who sware by their favorite million dollar solutions that created the very sprawl that VMWARE solves, and if you need help finding folks with genuine installation/migration experiences, I can hook you up. For that matter so can VMWARE, but then you must know that if you are truly who/what you purport to be.

    You praise freeware such as XEN, as if the entire suite of facilities that VMWARE, and Blade Servers offer is found in XEN running on good old all over the place 1U 2U 3U 4U servers popping up everywhere like mushrooms (and we know what mushrooms grow in), on KVM's that cost massive money in and of themselves, with massive amounts of BTU's, and several 20-40 ton Air conditioners, with massive power, with massive DAS (Direct attached Storage) that must be individually managed, and unique recovery techniques, and you like your job of configuring the RAIDS over and over on each system you provision for your alleged clients and probably don't even subscribe to the conept of Centralized Storage, whether SAN NAS, ISCSI, or whatever.

    In actuality you have no clue as to what the Virtual paradigm currently offers, or how to employ it to simplify to a Japanese degree of elegant simplicity. This is art work, and I may not know fine art, but I know what I like.

    I don't like the folks who are OS bigots, and try to shoot down something because they were trained in something else, and they might have to re-train in the right platform (DEAL WITH IT, and welcome to IT) who want to perpetuate what they know instead of what is best. You call yourself a consultant. Let me suggest that you consult someone who has a differing opinion than yours, and really find out the difference between what you and your company are doing, and the right way.

    There's two ways of implementing VMWARE. There's your way, and there's the right way.

    You feign altruistic intentions in your post which is what I find most offensive, and hence my spirited response. It's people like you who have held back VMWARE and kept it from the sunlight for too long. You probably think that MSFT doesn't do anything wrong, and love their products, and see your provisioned server business dropping if you are actually a consultant with the skills that you purport to possess, which I seriously doubt.

    Make no mistake, this paradigm shift is just as significant if not more so than the shift from DC to AC power Generation was to the world. Look it up, because you appear to be way too young to understand that reference, or what this paradigm actually is.

    This is the mainframe on steroids, with a really serious low-fat diet. This is every bean-counter, executive, Applications manager, and Technician's dream come true. And you seek to sully it with your casual comments that you post with obviously very subjective motivation, and intentions.

    It's sad, you either just �don't get it�, or you are afraid of it. You should take a long look at which category you fall into.

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    • Wow, congratulations, you have made VMWare a product out of space, super AI, rocket science stuff, etc.

      WTF is so difficult about architecting & installing ESX and P2V your existing servers on to VM and using vMotion and stuff. And WTF is so difficult mounting RAIDS and connecting to SANS, etc.

      When did I deny that the product is not nice. Why the hell would I use it for the last 6 years. It is good for the reasons I stated before and it is bad for the reasons I stated before as well. (Speed and Cost). It degrades performance and it is a very Costly solution. Sure it may save you some server space and some BTUs. But nobody today in their right mind buys monsters like Sun E10k, etc. We have over 200 servers, 80% of them are on IBM Blades which takes up just over 2 Racks (less than 25 sq.ft). Each Blade center holds 20 blade servers and share a common power supply. Yes, we do not have 150 power supplies. How naive you think the rest of the world not using VMW can be ?!

      And server wide changes are pushed out on click of a button using MS (free) and Symantec products. Plus we use Symantec LiveState for our recoveries. It may not be as easy as a VM, but it is not bad at all. We could recover a server in less than an hour. That does not mean, our site is down. Other servers are handling the load just fine.

      The point is VMWare is not GOD which you longs are trying to portray. There are other products and designs which can do the job just as good and a lot cheaper. Who cares about 25-100 feet of extra space? And then end up living with lower performance and added cost to hire & keep VM experts.

      And prove me wrong, name some of your big clients (Fortune 100) who are running VM in production and I will rest my case. Why don't I see any of the big names (IBM, GOOG, YHOO, AAPL, EBAY, AMZN are some of the core Technology companies) on the VMW's site under customers ? I guess, they may not be as smart as the rest of you folks out here to realize the benefits of VM.

      PS: I work for a fortune 100 company and am partly responsible for securing my company a spot in the top 25 companies Information Week 500 Award this year and 4 times running in the top 50. So please cut the BS about my qualification. For clarification, I am not a VM consultant but have been a user for a long time and know enough to rationale with you so-called big heads. I specialize in Security and Server architecture but have to deal with the VM nuances from time to time.

      Enough said.

      • 3 Replies to jamiejz
      • "PS: I work for a fortune 100 company and am partly responsible for securing my company a spot in the top 25 companies Information Week 500 Award this year and 4 times running in the top 50. So please cut the BS about my qualification. For clarification, I am not a VM consultant but have been a user for a long time and know enough to rationale with you so-called big heads. I specialize in Security and Server architecture but have to deal with the VM nuances from time to time."



        AND NOW AFTER RUNNING IT THROUGH THE NEWEST "BS" TRANSLATION SOFTWARE, WE GET:


        PS: [I wish] I work[ed] for a fortune 100 company and am partly [okay-okay, you got me, I'm fully] responsible for [not] securing my company a spot in the top 25 companies Information Week 500 Award this year and 4 times running in the top 50. So please cut the BS about my qualification [because you're hurting my feelings by exposing me as the fraud I really am]. For clarification, I am not a VM consultant [I only pretend to be one on TV and on this msg. board sometimes] but have been a user for a long time [okay-okay, you got me again�for 2 weeks, are you happy now?] and know enough to rationale with you so-called big heads [who I have to admit are really intimidating me right about now]. I specialize in Security and Server architecture [actually I work in Wal-Mart's back office fixing broken cash registers] but have to deal with the VM nuances from time to time [because the Mexican guy my boss hired last month got deported]."


        *For your FREE copy of my newest version of the BS Detection and Translation software please go to http://www.bsdetectionandtranslationfreesoftware.com and download it. WARNING: No shorts allowed, software has been secretly encoded with a special virus which will scramble their PC's hard drive if they attempt to download it onto their system w/o first closing out their open short position, no matter how insignificant it may be.

        Later...

        Phil

      • Fine. You don't need a VMware expert, so I guess you don't need a Symantec expert, Msft expert, Xen expert, etc... Managing VMs using VMware isn't that hard if you have any intellect in the tech field (yes, it's just my opinion)

        Just because VMware doesn't list those companies as customers doesn't mean they are not. How do you know? Maybe they don't want to be listed for some reason. Again, how do you know?

        So you not that big on VMware's future. No Big deal. There has been guys like you popping in and out from this broad since VMware became public. Down playing VMware, "Oh it's so overvalued", "Virtulization is nothing new" blah blah blah. VMware isn't GOD, but it isn't some little smurf like you make it out to be.

        It's fine if you want to miss the gravy train. Your lost.

      • I will send some engineers to straighten your environment out.

        1) Average CPU utilization is under 10% by a mile.
        2) If you are getting 3 to 4 virtual machines, then you have something wrong.
        3) Don't blame VMware if your environment is not leveraging your current infrastructure.

    • Thanks Buyandby. I'm glad you responded with the spirit and words you did. I an applications manager and VMWare adds so much more flexibility in work/life balance and business continuity. I also used to be a solutions architect for a storage company. VMWare was software that sold itself to clients.

      Jamie does not know what he is talking about. I hope he is truely not a technology consultant. Bad consultants can cost companies millions from initial cost as well as significant post deployment opportunity cost.

    • If yahoo had 10 stars, I would give this a 10.

    • Bravo Buy!!... great post!

      Alot of companys such as Boeing and HP in my local are catching on to VWM and there are MANY more!

      Less Hardware
      Energy efficient because it reduces the number of computers
      Less floor space, something EVERY big business "needs" and "wants"!

      ------
      Plus I am biases, I don't like the "evil empire" and live with in spitting distance of them, I am and of tired it! lol

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      • Thanks McBabe and Bayu et al.

        So egregious, and cavalier, it demanded equal time for a response.

        Oh and amen to the VMotion migration of a VM. Nothing makes my heart go pitter pat like the opportunity to show that to anyone who will watch. It only takes a minute, or less. How long does the equivalent take the MSFT way?

 
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