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  • jamiejz jamiejz Oct 24, 2007 11:27 PM Flag

    EMC + VMW = $90 billion - The math: $70 billion increase in total Market Cap in less than 180 days

    Wow, congratulations, you have made VMWare a product out of space, super AI, rocket science stuff, etc.

    WTF is so difficult about architecting & installing ESX and P2V your existing servers on to VM and using vMotion and stuff. And WTF is so difficult mounting RAIDS and connecting to SANS, etc.

    When did I deny that the product is not nice. Why the hell would I use it for the last 6 years. It is good for the reasons I stated before and it is bad for the reasons I stated before as well. (Speed and Cost). It degrades performance and it is a very Costly solution. Sure it may save you some server space and some BTUs. But nobody today in their right mind buys monsters like Sun E10k, etc. We have over 200 servers, 80% of them are on IBM Blades which takes up just over 2 Racks (less than 25 sq.ft). Each Blade center holds 20 blade servers and share a common power supply. Yes, we do not have 150 power supplies. How naive you think the rest of the world not using VMW can be ?!

    And server wide changes are pushed out on click of a button using MS (free) and Symantec products. Plus we use Symantec LiveState for our recoveries. It may not be as easy as a VM, but it is not bad at all. We could recover a server in less than an hour. That does not mean, our site is down. Other servers are handling the load just fine.

    The point is VMWare is not GOD which you longs are trying to portray. There are other products and designs which can do the job just as good and a lot cheaper. Who cares about 25-100 feet of extra space? And then end up living with lower performance and added cost to hire & keep VM experts.

    And prove me wrong, name some of your big clients (Fortune 100) who are running VM in production and I will rest my case. Why don't I see any of the big names (IBM, GOOG, YHOO, AAPL, EBAY, AMZN are some of the core Technology companies) on the VMW's site under customers ? I guess, they may not be as smart as the rest of you folks out here to realize the benefits of VM.

    PS: I work for a fortune 100 company and am partly responsible for securing my company a spot in the top 25 companies Information Week 500 Award this year and 4 times running in the top 50. So please cut the BS about my qualification. For clarification, I am not a VM consultant but have been a user for a long time and know enough to rationale with you so-called big heads. I specialize in Security and Server architecture but have to deal with the VM nuances from time to time.

    Enough said.

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    • "PS: I work for a fortune 100 company and am partly responsible for securing my company a spot in the top 25 companies Information Week 500 Award this year and 4 times running in the top 50. So please cut the BS about my qualification. For clarification, I am not a VM consultant but have been a user for a long time and know enough to rationale with you so-called big heads. I specialize in Security and Server architecture but have to deal with the VM nuances from time to time."



      AND NOW AFTER RUNNING IT THROUGH THE NEWEST "BS" TRANSLATION SOFTWARE, WE GET:


      PS: [I wish] I work[ed] for a fortune 100 company and am partly [okay-okay, you got me, I'm fully] responsible for [not] securing my company a spot in the top 25 companies Information Week 500 Award this year and 4 times running in the top 50. So please cut the BS about my qualification [because you're hurting my feelings by exposing me as the fraud I really am]. For clarification, I am not a VM consultant [I only pretend to be one on TV and on this msg. board sometimes] but have been a user for a long time [okay-okay, you got me again�for 2 weeks, are you happy now?] and know enough to rationale with you so-called big heads [who I have to admit are really intimidating me right about now]. I specialize in Security and Server architecture [actually I work in Wal-Mart's back office fixing broken cash registers] but have to deal with the VM nuances from time to time [because the Mexican guy my boss hired last month got deported]."


      *For your FREE copy of my newest version of the BS Detection and Translation software please go to http://www.bsdetectionandtranslationfreesoftware.com and download it. WARNING: No shorts allowed, software has been secretly encoded with a special virus which will scramble their PC's hard drive if they attempt to download it onto their system w/o first closing out their open short position, no matter how insignificant it may be.

      Later...

      Phil

    • Fine. You don't need a VMware expert, so I guess you don't need a Symantec expert, Msft expert, Xen expert, etc... Managing VMs using VMware isn't that hard if you have any intellect in the tech field (yes, it's just my opinion)

      Just because VMware doesn't list those companies as customers doesn't mean they are not. How do you know? Maybe they don't want to be listed for some reason. Again, how do you know?

      So you not that big on VMware's future. No Big deal. There has been guys like you popping in and out from this broad since VMware became public. Down playing VMware, "Oh it's so overvalued", "Virtulization is nothing new" blah blah blah. VMware isn't GOD, but it isn't some little smurf like you make it out to be.

      It's fine if you want to miss the gravy train. Your lost.

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      • Just to put closure to this, I'd like to simply point out that IBM, Dell, CISCO, and many other Fortune 100/500 companies, are Partnered with or have strategic alliances with VMWARE, or as in the case of CISCO, they own the stock, because they are so sure that Microsoft will overtake them in the near future, they decided to just buy the stock on a lark.

        True/false quiz:
        Microsoft and many other fortune 10 companies would sell their digital souls to get controlling interest in the VMWARE company.

        I am not sure but I bet that Fidelity missed the calculating part, when they purchased 25% of the total shares. Possibly you can pass along your valuation numbers to Fidelity, since I doubt that they can afford the personnel required to make such a purchase, of what ~8,900,000 +- shares. They probably have VMWARE running on their servers, and got so slowed down that the calculation ultimately timed out, and failed.

        Maybe you can copy Cisco too, cause I doubt that Cisco even has any hardware technicians, or REAL systems Admins.

        If anyone is looking for the latest alliances etc..., the best source may be the VMWORLD web page, which I believe was the location of the latest Alliance announcements.

        Here's one source, but it may be lies:
        http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/alliances/en/vmware?c=us&cs=555&l=en&s=biz&~ck=anavml
        Here's a list but this page may be unreliable, who can really ascertain the voracity of web data after all:

        But here's the page in case you want to see this pack of lies I just pulled out of space and this is the inquirer after all:
        http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2006/04/24/vmware-alliance-targets-desktop-virtualisation

        Here's a list of VMware's mates in the Alliance: Altiris, AppStream, Ardence, ATOS Origin, Check Point Software Technologies, Citrix, ClearCube Technology, Devon IT, Dunes Technologies, Fujitsu, Fujitsu-Siemens, Hitachi, HP, IBM, Leostream, NComputing, NEC, Platform Computing, Propero, Provision Networks, Route1, Softricity, Sun, Wyse Technology and Zeus Technology.

        So here's another list but iit's from VMWARE's site so it's probably not genuine until it has a microsoft certified certificate, here goes anyway:
        http://www.vmware.com/partners/alliances/technology/

        I hope this puts a period on the rash statements that I pulled out of thin space.

        BTW There is always a penalty for the hardware abstraction layer, whether it's VMWARE, or any other Virtualization software, and getting it down to a minimum has been what preoccupied the many PHD's at places such as VMWARE, SUN, IBM, and so forth. This is why so many folks question anyone's ability to catch up to VMWARE in 5 years let alone 1-2. The bottom line is, it saves on all costs associated with Data Center Infrastructure, including Engineers, or Administrators. If you reduce the number of physical servers in your facility you also get rid of n-number of Hardware support contracts too BTW. So what does it matter how much space?? What does it matter about how much power??

        I'm gonna have a guy named Al Gore call you. He was formerly the next President of the United States, and he really wants to talk to YOU and people like you. He has some crazy notion that your future is important, but I wouldn't believe him, he's a politician.

    • I will send some engineers to straighten your environment out.

      1) Average CPU utilization is under 10% by a mile.
      2) If you are getting 3 to 4 virtual machines, then you have something wrong.
      3) Don't blame VMware if your environment is not leveraging your current infrastructure.

 
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